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DeBoer HC/Tedford OC
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Who was your #2 choice after Campbell?sonics1993 said:
247 Fresno Board. A lot of them believed he wasn't even a candidate for the job because they thought Washington would get someone better.digits said:
WTF? Where are you seeing that Fresno fans want him gone and why would they? He's improved their program both as an offensive coordinator and HC. Everything I've read is their fans are bummed, but understand he's most likely gone because he's a good coach.sonics1993 said:
Reminds me when USC hired Sark and we all laughed. They all hyped up him being an offensive genius and we saw how that played out.FSDogs1 said:
Yep, not a huge fan myself. I think the system is good, Haener has developed into a very good QB, but the play calling has been criticized at times. I don't think he's ready to be your OC.sonics1993 said:
That last line is what scares me the most. I have heard most Fresno State fans not be bothered by losing him and are surprised that Washington is even going after him.FSDogs1 said:
DeBoer? I'm not an expert, but he's had continued success at every level he's coached at. Just look Indiana's drop off this year. Big question mark is recruiting. It's just very different at the P5 level and he hasn't had time to prove he can recruit and develop talent at Fresno, IMO. That's not to say he can't.sonics1993 said:
What are your thoughts on him and the current staff he has?FSDogs1 said:
Sounds healthy. lol.RoadDawg55 said:
No, hopefully we would fire both and get a new coach. Eventually we would get a new one. It’s all a gamble. Campbell would be a gamble too and a more costly one if it didn’t work out.FSDogs1 said:
Fresno fan here. Don't want to rule this out, but it doesn't look ideal on the surface. I guess it all depends on Tedford's health situation.LongDukDong said:This is what the twatterverse tea leaves are saying.
For DeBoer, he's had success but has a relatively thin resume for a good P5 school. If the fans turn on him, won't there be pressure to hand the keys to Tedford?
He's 9-3, but most Fresno fans would be reminded that Tim DeRuyter was 9-4 in his first season here before things gradually fell apart (bad recruiter, couldn't develop talent; e.g. ignored Josh Allen when he was desperate to play for Fresno).
I just know Tedford was pretty much loved by the team, and I think he was a big draw for the kids that committed over PAC offers.
There are certain coaches on the staff the fans would want to keep. Proven, dependable coaches and those seen to have big upside (Kirby Moore). His OC is seen as solid, but his play calling has been questioned at times. Most fans would be content to see him go. -
You want a coach who went 2-6 in conference with a team that won a NY6 last year and returned 20 starters.backthepack said:
We hired a fucking coach who got skull dragged by Todd Graham and Andy Avalos.MikeDamone said:@backthepack gets it.
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Two assistants on his staff have UW ties: JD Williams and Kirby Moore. No go on JD, he was here during the Ty years. I'd think he'd bring Moore with him though.
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Thanks for summarizing the fucking problem. We are always in the “who would come here” bullishit to justify crap hires. Open the wallet. Demand excellence. Or shut the fuck up. Perennially mediocre is what we are and will always be. Yet we have fantasies of 1991. That was fucking 30 years ago. Christ. Bunch of doog losers. Same as it ever was.digits said:
If you think UW is currently in the same realm as Oklahoma, then I can't help you.MikeDamone said:Is Oklahoma taking to deboner? That’s what I thought.
Uw was in the college playoff in 2018. But can’t expect to compete with Oklahoma or usc for a top tier proven coach. Fuck off -
Who the fuck cares? You own us. Jen just basically asked you to fuck us even more.ntxduck said:
Guys he inherited?RoadDawg55 said:
His skill guys at Fresno would be right near the top of the PAC 12. If he can compete with Oregon and UCLA at Fresno, he can at UW. I’m sure he’s aware that he needs to recruit.haie said:Our fanbase is so mentally fucked from watching a staff that refused to recruit.
Wake the fuck up. Bone isn't going to tell everyone he wants to just develop walk-ons. Fuck off with this shit. -
Whatever. Can’t win his league and lost to Hawaii. ‘nuff said on that.Mad_Son said:
Literally not a fact. He is 9-3.MikeDamone said:
If they hire deboner they are hiring a 7-5 coach out of the mountain west. That fact won’t change.haie said:
Then you don't want Campbell, Day, and a lot of other big names either. Harbaugh was a failure until yesterday.MikeDamone said:
Everything I said is true. July 5th is not what I’m looking for. If you have to explain the record at all, it’s not excellence. We should settle for nothing but excellence. But WeAreAFatLesboSchool…sooo…. Yeah.haie said:
He's 9-3 with a hard schedule for his conference and missed out on the champ game by 1 win to San Diego State.MikeDamone said:
That’s because I’m always right.DerekJohnson said:
According to you, when a handful of people have a different opinion than yourself, you're supposed to fold like a lawn chair and follow along.MikeDamone said:
I often am. Then I always turn out right.DerekJohnson said:
The dooging here over deboner is nauseating. Don’t you people learn? Ever. USC goes big. We fuck around in the shallow end of the pool. But deboner “gets it” or some shit. Up and cummmer He made Heaner good!
This site and the HHB was founded on calling out this type of bullshit. He is fucking 7-5 and didn’t even win his shitty conference. What the fuck?
Who he beat by 10. Tied for best record in the other division. I don't watch MW but I assume SDSU is beating whoever came out of that.
Point taken though, he didn't dominate and they had 4-5 contenders this year.
He lost to Todd Graham but we're all used to that already
Break the bank for Dabo? I'm not into any ACC staff.
Aranda and anyone else that wants to stay in the big 12 is a loooser.
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I love you.MikeDamone said:
Thanks for summarizing the fucking problem. We are always in the “who would come here” bullishit to justify crap hires. Open the wallet. Demand excellence. Or shut the fuck up. Perennially mediocre is what we are and will always be. Yet we have fantasies of 1991. That was fucking 30 years ago. Christ. Bunch of doog losers. Same as it ever was.digits said:
If you think UW is currently in the same realm as Oklahoma, then I can't help you.MikeDamone said:Is Oklahoma taking to deboner? That’s what I thought.
Uw was in the college playoff in 2018. But can’t expect to compete with Oklahoma or usc for a top tier proven coach. Fuck off -
HE GOT SKULL DRAGGED BY A GUY THAT CANT READ AND ANDY FUCKING AVALOS LMAOMikeDamone said:
Whatever. Can’t win his league and lost to Hawaii. ‘nuff said on that.Mad_Son said:
Literally not a fact. He is 9-3.MikeDamone said:
If they hire deboner they are hiring a 7-5 coach out of the mountain west. That fact won’t change.haie said:
Then you don't want Campbell, Day, and a lot of other big names either. Harbaugh was a failure until yesterday.MikeDamone said:
Everything I said is true. July 5th is not what I’m looking for. If you have to explain the record at all, it’s not excellence. We should settle for nothing but excellence. But WeAreAFatLesboSchool…sooo…. Yeah.haie said:
He's 9-3 with a hard schedule for his conference and missed out on the champ game by 1 win to San Diego State.MikeDamone said:
That’s because I’m always right.DerekJohnson said:
According to you, when a handful of people have a different opinion than yourself, you're supposed to fold like a lawn chair and follow along.MikeDamone said:
I often am. Then I always turn out right.DerekJohnson said:
The dooging here over deboner is nauseating. Don’t you people learn? Ever. USC goes big. We fuck around in the shallow end of the pool. But deboner “gets it” or some shit. Up and cummmer He made Heaner good!
This site and the HHB was founded on calling out this type of bullshit. He is fucking 7-5 and didn’t even win his shitty conference. What the fuck?
Who he beat by 10. Tied for best record in the other division. I don't watch MW but I assume SDSU is beating whoever came out of that.
Point taken though, he didn't dominate and they had 4-5 contenders this year.
He lost to Todd Graham but we're all used to that already
Break the bank for Dabo? I'm not into any ACC staff.
Aranda and anyone else that wants to stay in the big 12 is a loooser.
But still... -
You're welcome.MikeDamone said:
Thanks for summarizing the fucking problem. We are always in the “who would come here” bullishit to justify crap hires. Open the wallet. Demand excellence. Or shut the fuck up. Perennially mediocre is what we are and will always be. Yet we have fantasies of 1991. That was fucking 30 years ago. Christ. Bunch of doog losers. Same as it ever was.digits said:
If you think UW is currently in the same realm as Oklahoma, then I can't help you.MikeDamone said:Is Oklahoma taking to deboner? That’s what I thought.
Uw was in the college playoff in 2018. But can’t expect to compete with Oklahoma or usc for a top tier proven coach. Fuck off -
@Swaye This is where I am...If you coach at lower levels and win, you move up the food chain. At some point, everyone plateaus, most flame out before they get to the top, or a chance at the top. I can tell you this, he wasn't dealing with "star ratings" in NAIA, he was building culture and coaching his ass off every day, with a bunch of guys that were told they couldn't play. Similar to Fresno, he is coaching a bunch of guys that either were bounce backs, tweeners, or never-was-es, and that takes culture to be successful. Work ethic is not in question, for me.
At the same time, it is different coaching Thorobreds, as opposed to plow horses...I feel good about it, hope he can adjust, and realize that EWIWBI... -
Here ya go Oregon and USC, we'll just lay down and let you fuck us in the ass again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again.
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Why do you use a hiring firm to get this guy? This was the lowest of hanging fruits. Seems like jimmy lake recruiting tactics. Jen Cohen "coaches are fickle, we want people that want to be dawgs" we got the three stariest of all coaches available. The same line is used for three star recruits got to give him time to develop into something good. But if you are getting recruited by uw why wouldn't you say yes.
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You see it in College hoops all the time. They recruit the same players.sonics1993 said:
Totally agree it's not everything, but I have seen how these Mountain West coaches operate when they get to the Pac-12, and they try to do the same thing they did in the mountain west, which is why most fail. I'm being an asshole and should LIPO. His staff hirings should tell me a lot, but I was hoping for a more proven coach to be hired. To me, this is just as big of a gamble as hiring Jimmy.RoadDawg55 said:@sonics1993 I don’t know even the ins and outs of the program like you do. It’s not even close. I know next to nothing about anything inside the program. I am fully aware how important recruiting is, but it’s not the end all be all like you believe.
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Petersen lost to Ty and Sarkbackthepack said:
HE GOT SKULL DRAGGED BY A GUY THAT CANT READ AND ANDY FUCKING AVALOS LMAOMikeDamone said:
Whatever. Can’t win his league and lost to Hawaii. ‘nuff said on that.Mad_Son said:
Literally not a fact. He is 9-3.MikeDamone said:
If they hire deboner they are hiring a 7-5 coach out of the mountain west. That fact won’t change.haie said:
Then you don't want Campbell, Day, and a lot of other big names either. Harbaugh was a failure until yesterday.MikeDamone said:
Everything I said is true. July 5th is not what I’m looking for. If you have to explain the record at all, it’s not excellence. We should settle for nothing but excellence. But WeAreAFatLesboSchool…sooo…. Yeah.haie said:
He's 9-3 with a hard schedule for his conference and missed out on the champ game by 1 win to San Diego State.MikeDamone said:
That’s because I’m always right.DerekJohnson said:
According to you, when a handful of people have a different opinion than yourself, you're supposed to fold like a lawn chair and follow along.MikeDamone said:
I often am. Then I always turn out right.DerekJohnson said:
The dooging here over deboner is nauseating. Don’t you people learn? Ever. USC goes big. We fuck around in the shallow end of the pool. But deboner “gets it” or some shit. Up and cummmer He made Heaner good!
This site and the HHB was founded on calling out this type of bullshit. He is fucking 7-5 and didn’t even win his shitty conference. What the fuck?
Who he beat by 10. Tied for best record in the other division. I don't watch MW but I assume SDSU is beating whoever came out of that.
Point taken though, he didn't dominate and they had 4-5 contenders this year.
He lost to Todd Graham but we're all used to that already
Break the bank for Dabo? I'm not into any ACC staff.
Aranda and anyone else that wants to stay in the big 12 is a loooser.
But still...
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Petersen was a quitter and a loser hthMad_Son said:
Petersen lost to Ty and Sarkbackthepack said:
HE GOT SKULL DRAGGED BY A GUY THAT CANT READ AND ANDY FUCKING AVALOS LMAOMikeDamone said:
Whatever. Can’t win his league and lost to Hawaii. ‘nuff said on that.Mad_Son said:
Literally not a fact. He is 9-3.MikeDamone said:
If they hire deboner they are hiring a 7-5 coach out of the mountain west. That fact won’t change.haie said:
Then you don't want Campbell, Day, and a lot of other big names either. Harbaugh was a failure until yesterday.MikeDamone said:
Everything I said is true. July 5th is not what I’m looking for. If you have to explain the record at all, it’s not excellence. We should settle for nothing but excellence. But WeAreAFatLesboSchool…sooo…. Yeah.haie said:
He's 9-3 with a hard schedule for his conference and missed out on the champ game by 1 win to San Diego State.MikeDamone said:
That’s because I’m always right.DerekJohnson said:
According to you, when a handful of people have a different opinion than yourself, you're supposed to fold like a lawn chair and follow along.MikeDamone said:
I often am. Then I always turn out right.DerekJohnson said:
The dooging here over deboner is nauseating. Don’t you people learn? Ever. USC goes big. We fuck around in the shallow end of the pool. But deboner “gets it” or some shit. Up and cummmer He made Heaner good!
This site and the HHB was founded on calling out this type of bullshit. He is fucking 7-5 and didn’t even win his shitty conference. What the fuck?
Who he beat by 10. Tied for best record in the other division. I don't watch MW but I assume SDSU is beating whoever came out of that.
Point taken though, he didn't dominate and they had 4-5 contenders this year.
He lost to Todd Graham but we're all used to that already
Break the bank for Dabo? I'm not into any ACC staff.
Aranda and anyone else that wants to stay in the big 12 is a loooser.
But still... -
We Can't Universitydigits said:
If you think UW is currently in the same realm as Oklahoma, then I can't help you.MikeDamone said:Is Oklahoma taking to deboner? That’s what I thought.
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Yeah, so those things happened prior to 2018. Back then Petersen was a winner.backthepack said:
Petersen was a quitter and a loser hthMad_Son said:
Petersen lost to Ty and Sarkbackthepack said:
HE GOT SKULL DRAGGED BY A GUY THAT CANT READ AND ANDY FUCKING AVALOS LMAOMikeDamone said:
Whatever. Can’t win his league and lost to Hawaii. ‘nuff said on that.Mad_Son said:
Literally not a fact. He is 9-3.MikeDamone said:
If they hire deboner they are hiring a 7-5 coach out of the mountain west. That fact won’t change.haie said:
Then you don't want Campbell, Day, and a lot of other big names either. Harbaugh was a failure until yesterday.MikeDamone said:
Everything I said is true. July 5th is not what I’m looking for. If you have to explain the record at all, it’s not excellence. We should settle for nothing but excellence. But WeAreAFatLesboSchool…sooo…. Yeah.haie said:
He's 9-3 with a hard schedule for his conference and missed out on the champ game by 1 win to San Diego State.MikeDamone said:
That’s because I’m always right.DerekJohnson said:
According to you, when a handful of people have a different opinion than yourself, you're supposed to fold like a lawn chair and follow along.MikeDamone said:
I often am. Then I always turn out right.DerekJohnson said:
The dooging here over deboner is nauseating. Don’t you people learn? Ever. USC goes big. We fuck around in the shallow end of the pool. But deboner “gets it” or some shit. Up and cummmer He made Heaner good!
This site and the HHB was founded on calling out this type of bullshit. He is fucking 7-5 and didn’t even win his shitty conference. What the fuck?
Who he beat by 10. Tied for best record in the other division. I don't watch MW but I assume SDSU is beating whoever came out of that.
Point taken though, he didn't dominate and they had 4-5 contenders this year.
He lost to Todd Graham but we're all used to that already
Break the bank for Dabo? I'm not into any ACC staff.
Aranda and anyone else that wants to stay in the big 12 is a loooser.
But still...
Good coaches and teams lose games sometimes. Look at the body of work. Your earlier gripes were at least somewhat rationale. -
its hardRaceBannon said:
We Can't Universitydigits said:
If you think UW is currently in the same realm as Oklahoma, then I can't help you.MikeDamone said:Is Oklahoma taking to deboner? That’s what I thought.
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I heard Saban called but Jen’s phone was on silent… don’t twistAtomicDawg said:
Make saban say no potd.MikeDamone said:Is Oklahoma taking to deboner? That’s what I thought.
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NoBleachedAnusDawg said:
You want a coach who went 2-6 in conference with a team that won a NY6 last year and returned 20 starters.backthepack said:
We hired a fucking coach who got skull dragged by Todd Graham and Andy Avalos.MikeDamone said:@backthepack gets it.
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You know who wasn’t there for the 4-8 season but was there the two successful years prior?sonics1993 said:
Three years before he took over as head coach, 10-4, 12-2, and then 4-8 where Jeff had health problems pop up. It was a winning program. He goes 3-3 his first year and then 9-3 his second year. I would like to see what his record is when he has to bring in his own recruits before giving him the job.digits said:
The year before DeBoer was hired, Fresno St. went 4-8 in 2019, obviously, the same record we? have now. He didn't inherit a winning program.sonics1993 said:
One of my biggest concerns besides recruiting is he's never built a program. This job is a rebuild, as we all saw Friday night. He took over a successful team at the NAIA level and then took over a team with Tedford recruits and had one decent year (Yes, nine wins at the MW level is decent to me). That's a good resume for WSU or Arizona, but it shouldn't be good enough for Washington.DoogDawg said:
We are doomed to fail if we try to beat Oregon at Oregon’s game. We aren’t going to consistently pull top 5 recruiting classes (and then fail to develop anyone).sonics1993 said:
Totally agree it's not everything, but I have seen how these Mountain West coaches operate when they get to the Pac-12, and they try to do the same thing they did in the mountain west, which is why most fail. I'm being an asshole and should LIPO. His staff hirings should tell me a lot, but I was hoping for a more proven coach to be hired. To me, this is just as big of a gamble as hiring Jimmy.RoadDawg55 said:@sonics1993 I don’t know even the ins and outs of the program like you do. It’s not even close. I know next to nothing about anything inside the program. I am fully aware how important recruiting is, but it’s not the end all be all like you believe.
Lots of ways to win - but we had a winning formula with pulling top-15 classes and then actually developing players. I’m a bit concerned about recruiting, but 90% of it is just effort, and that’s it. If the staff puts in the effort, they’ll be fine. Plus, recruiting is transactional now, and if we finally figured out NIL with Montlake Futures, we are good.
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They actually did well in 2020 ranking fourth in the Big Ten in PPG but fell off this year. I'm not saying he's not a great coordinator but as a head coach, I was hoping for more of a proven commodity.RoadDawg55 said:
You know who wasn’t there for the 4-8 season but was there the two successful years prior?sonics1993 said:
Three years before he took over as head coach, 10-4, 12-2, and then 4-8 where Jeff had health problems pop up. It was a winning program. He goes 3-3 his first year and then 9-3 his second year. I would like to see what his record is when he has to bring in his own recruits before giving him the job.digits said:
The year before DeBoer was hired, Fresno St. went 4-8 in 2019, obviously, the same record we? have now. He didn't inherit a winning program.sonics1993 said:
One of my biggest concerns besides recruiting is he's never built a program. This job is a rebuild, as we all saw Friday night. He took over a successful team at the NAIA level and then took over a team with Tedford recruits and had one decent year (Yes, nine wins at the MW level is decent to me). That's a good resume for WSU or Arizona, but it shouldn't be good enough for Washington.DoogDawg said:
We are doomed to fail if we try to beat Oregon at Oregon’s game. We aren’t going to consistently pull top 5 recruiting classes (and then fail to develop anyone).sonics1993 said:
Totally agree it's not everything, but I have seen how these Mountain West coaches operate when they get to the Pac-12, and they try to do the same thing they did in the mountain west, which is why most fail. I'm being an asshole and should LIPO. His staff hirings should tell me a lot, but I was hoping for a more proven coach to be hired. To me, this is just as big of a gamble as hiring Jimmy.RoadDawg55 said:@sonics1993 I don’t know even the ins and outs of the program like you do. It’s not even close. I know next to nothing about anything inside the program. I am fully aware how important recruiting is, but it’s not the end all be all like you believe.
Lots of ways to win - but we had a winning formula with pulling top-15 classes and then actually developing players. I’m a bit concerned about recruiting, but 90% of it is just effort, and that’s it. If the staff puts in the effort, they’ll be fine. Plus, recruiting is transactional now, and if we finally figured out NIL with Montlake Futures, we are good.
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They hate you because it’s trueMikeDamone said:
Meanwhile USC hits a grand slam. Leave it to TheFatLesboSchool to continue their FatLesboSchool ways.backthepack said:
thisMikeDamone said:We’re so fucked.
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Nobody hates him or wanting a bigger name in the eyes of the media.SFGbob said:
They hate you because it’s trueMikeDamone said:
Meanwhile USC hits a grand slam. Leave it to TheFatLesboSchool to continue their FatLesboSchool ways.backthepack said:
thisMikeDamone said:We’re so fucked.
Good luck the rest of the way.
Shit is all a crap shoot. Pete was burned out before even accepting the UW job. Started at 8-6, finished at 8-5.
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If DeBoer cant convince Haener to follow him to UW to be the starting QB zero chance he regularly wins recruiting battles against Riley, Oregons NIL program, or other academically prowessed programs.
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Players seem to think it’s Campbell, if it’s DeBoer that’s going to be disappointing for them and probably not be good for the portal odds.
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Source?BowDownDeathRow said:Players seem to think it’s Campbell, if it’s DeBoer that’s going to be disappointing for them and probably not be good for the portal odds.
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It's almost like putting stock in the Covid season is meaningless. I mean Jimmy won the North (hang the banner Jen)BleachedAnusDawg said:
You want a coach who went 2-6 in conference with a team that won a NY6 last year and returned 20 starters.backthepack said:
We hired a fucking coach who got skull dragged by Todd Graham and Andy Avalos.MikeDamone said:@backthepack gets it.
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Saban lost to Lambo, nextcoach_pete_JPG said:
I heard Saban called but Jen’s phone was on silent… don’t twistAtomicDawg said:
Make saban say no potd.MikeDamone said:Is Oklahoma taking to deboner? That’s what I thought.
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Which players? There's a thread on this on Dawgman too but I haven't seen anything on the Twittersphere.BowDownDeathRow said:Players seem to think it’s Campbell, if it’s DeBoer that’s going to be disappointing for them and probably not be good for the portal odds.
