Is Jimmy worse than Willingham?

Very curious to hear what people think about the worst coaches in Washington history (sorry Stub Allison!).

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I think it's tough to compare since Jimmy never even coached a full season. But I like to guess how this program would look after year four under Jimmy and would conclude it would mirror Ty. given the talent level Jimmy had to start with vs Ty, puts Jimmy over the top.

Geevis_and_Butthead

James left it better than he found it.

Lambo left it worse.

Slick Rick ... flip a coin.

Gilby left it much worse.

Willingham, well it was the same pile of shit when he left.

Sark left it better

Petersen left it better.

Lake, left it (arguably?) worse than what Pete inherited fom Sark — in less than 2 years.

Geevis_and_Butthead

GreenRiverGatorz

If Jimmy was given more tim, he might have surpassed Willingham.

But Willingham was worse because he was actively contemptuous of winning football and the people who gave a shit about the program. And he knew how to butter his bread with the administration to keep him around as long as possible. Just a conniving snake of a human who willfully tanked this program.

Jimmy is just a reckless dumbass. He has no tact, is hilariously inept at playing the politics that are needed in this profession, and made himself very disposable because of it. If only Willingham had made himself that disposable.

greenblood

If Jimmy was given more tim, he might have surpassed Willingham.

But Willingham was worse because he was actively contemptuous of winning football and the people who gave a shit about the program. And he knew how to butter his bread with the administration to keep him around as long as possible. Just a conniving snake of a human who willfully tanked this program.

Jimmy is just a reckless dumbass. He has no tact, is hilariously inept at playing the politics that are needed in this profession, and made himself very disposable because of it. If only Willingham had made himself that disposable.

Jimmy is Helfrich without Mariota

dnc

James left it better than he found it.

Lambo left it worse.

Slick Rick ... flip a coin.

Gilby left it much worse.

Willingham, well it was the same pile of shit when he left.

Sark left it better

Petersen left it better.

Lake, left it (arguably?) worse than what Pete inherited fom Sark — in less than 2 years.

This is an odd way of looking at it because it basically makes Willingham neutral and Sark positive when the reality is any average coach would have done much better starting with what they started with.

It's not hard to go from bad to mediocre. Ty couldn't even do that. Sark managed it.

That's not success though.

insinceredawg

If Jimmy was given more tim, he might have surpassed Willingham.

But Willingham was worse because he was actively contemptuous of winning football and the people who gave a shit about the program. And he knew how to butter his bread with the administration to keep him around as long as possible. Just a conniving snake of a human who willfully tanked this program.

Jimmy is just a reckless dumbass. He has no tact, is hilariously inept at playing the politics that are needed in this profession, and made himself very disposable because of it. If only Willingham had made himself that disposable.
Jimmy is Helfrich without Mariota

That's an insult to Helfrich. Even without Mariota I think he would've kept the machine going for a few years. Losing Aliotti and promoting Pellum was when the wheels started to fall off.

NEsnake12

As bad as Jimmy's trajectory was, I can't imagine him ever pulling off 0-12

YellowSnow

If Jimmy was given more tim, he might have surpassed Willingham.

But Willingham was worse because he was actively contemptuous of winning football and the people who gave a shit about the program. And he knew how to butter his bread with the administration to keep him around as long as possible. Just a conniving snake of a human who willfully tanked this program.

Jimmy is just a reckless dumbass. He has no tact, is hilariously inept at playing the politics that are needed in this profession, and made himself very disposable because of it. If only Willingham had made himself that disposable.

This.

Think of our? plight if Jimmy doesn't lose to Montana and doesn't pop off with dumb shit. Then we're stuck with the guy for another year, at least.

If a coach is going to fail - and Iron Law says this is more likely than not - best to get to the firing part early.

TYFYS Coach Lake.

CuntWaffle

Strictly from a Head Coach perspective it would be Jimmy. As others have mentioned he inherited a decent program with a good amount of talent. Yet he drove it straight off a cliff. It was even evident last year but we had a couple miracle wins that saved his ass. Jimmy did a lot of good here but he was a monumental failure as a HC.

Plus Ty gave us this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxUIczVCsnA

DerekJohnson

Well the OP's question doesn't say anything about head coach. Jimmy recruited and developed several sensational DBs who went to the NFL. So Willingham was worse. In terms of damage to the program, Willingham and Gilby were neck-and-neck. As DNC said, if given another year or so, Jimmy might have entered the Ty/Gilby pantheon

FireCohen

Well the OP's question doesn't say anything about head coach. Jimmy recruited and developed several sensational DBs who went to the NFL. So Willingham was worse. In terms of damage to the program, Willingham and Gilby were neck-and-neck. As DNC said, if given another year or so, Jimmy might have entered the Ty/Gilby pantheon

Praise allah for the walk on that got him fired

Neighbor2972

Jimmy had the decency to LEAVE after 13 games

Kingdome_Urinals

If Jimmy was given more tim, he might have surpassed Willingham.

But Willingham was worse because he was actively contemptuous of winning football and the people who gave a shit about the program. And he knew how to butter his bread with the administration to keep him around as long as possible. Just a conniving snake of a human who willfully tanked this program.

Jimmy is just a reckless dumbass. He has no tact, is hilariously inept at playing the politics that are needed in this profession, and made himself very disposable because of it. If only Willingham had made himself that disposable.
This.

Think of our? plight if Jimmy doesn't lose to Montana and doesn't pop off with dumb shit. Then we're stuck with the guy for another year, at least.

If a coach is going to fail - and Iron Law says this is more likely than not - best to get to the firing part early.

TYFYS Coach Lake.

Nobody tripped over their own dick as quickly and impressively as Lake.

You have to be a real fuck up to get fired at UW after 13 games. I mean you have to be a total moron.

The fact that he did that with a 7-6 career record is frankly amazing. That's how bad he was.

FireCohen

Jimmy had the decency to LEAVE after 13 games

Dude was forced out, he has no decency. Dude is a POS

CFetters_Nacho_Lover

Jimmy had the decency to LEAVE after 13 games
Dude was forced out, he has no decency. Dude is a POS

He also didn’t call the NAACP and start crying when told he was being fired (that we know of).

Ty is worse and Jimmy gets a pass unless @DerekJohnson ends up writing a book about him at which time I’ll reconsider my vote.

Fenderbender123

Willingham for sure. When he took over, there was literally nowhere for the program to go but up. But somehow, he found a way to make it worse.

DerekJohnson

Jimmy had the decency to LEAVE after 13 games
Dude was forced out, he has no decency. Dude is a POS
He also didn’t call the NAACP and start crying when told he was being fired (that we know of).

Ty is worse and Jimmy gets a pass unless @DerekJohnson ends up writing a book about him at which time I’ll reconsider my vote.

chuck

Tough to say. Good arguments for both. Jimmy needed more time to get his owen in there. I'm reminded that it took Ty four years.

RaceBannon

The first game under Ty was a road game at Qwest against Air Force. We? lost but we? always lose to Air Force. Rick lost to Air Force his first year. Anyway I recall a lot of folks including myself being impressed after Gilby that we looked like a team out there again. The old adult in charge thing. There was some hope again.

Chambers dropped a big pass and Ty's petty reaction to that was a portend of things to come.

I liked Ty when I met him and I bet I'd like Jimmy even more. We could go boating and pound Budweisers.

But as coaches both seemed to end up hating their players and it was returned