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Is Jimmy worse than Willingham?

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  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,572
    Jimmy is the worst
    I think it's tough to compare since Jimmy never even coached a full season. But I like to guess how this program would look after year four under Jimmy and would conclude it would mirror Ty. given the talent level Jimmy had to start with vs Ty, puts Jimmy over the top.
  • Geevis_and_Butthead
    Geevis_and_Butthead Member Posts: 1,001
    edited November 2021
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,572
    Jimmy is the worst

    If Jimmy was given more tim, he might have surpassed Willingham.

    But Willingham was worse because he was actively contemptuous of winning football and the people who gave a shit about the program. And he knew how to butter his bread with the administration to keep him around as long as possible. Just a conniving snake of a human who willfully tanked this program.

    Jimmy is just a reckless dumbass. He has no tact, is hilariously inept at playing the politics that are needed in this profession, and made himself very disposable because of it. If only Willingham had made himself that disposable.

    Jimmy is Helfrich without Mariota
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855

    James left it better than he found it.

    Lambo left it worse.

    Slick Rick ... flip a coin.

    Gilby left it much worse.

    Willingham, well it was the same pile of shit when he left.

    Sark left it better

    Petersen left it better.

    Lake, left it (arguably?) worse than what Pete inherited fom Sark — in less than 2 years.



    This is an odd way of looking at it because it basically makes Willingham neutral and Sark positive when the reality is any average coach would have done much better starting with what they started with.

    It's not hard to go from bad to mediocre. Ty couldn't even do that. Sark managed it.

    That's not success though.
  • insinceredawg
    insinceredawg Member Posts: 5,117
    edited November 2021
    Jimmy is the worst

    If Jimmy was given more tim, he might have surpassed Willingham.

    But Willingham was worse because he was actively contemptuous of winning football and the people who gave a shit about the program. And he knew how to butter his bread with the administration to keep him around as long as possible. Just a conniving snake of a human who willfully tanked this program.

    Jimmy is just a reckless dumbass. He has no tact, is hilariously inept at playing the politics that are needed in this profession, and made himself very disposable because of it. If only Willingham had made himself that disposable.

    Jimmy is Helfrich without Mariota
    That's an insult to Helfrich. Even without Mariota I think he would've kept the machine going for a few years. Losing Aliotti and promoting Pellum was when the wheels started to fall off.
  • NEsnake12
    NEsnake12 Member Posts: 3,795
    Willingham is the worst
    As bad as Jimmy's trajectory was, I can't imagine him ever pulling off 0-12
  • CuntWaffle
    CuntWaffle Member Posts: 22,500
    Jimmy is the worst
    Strictly from a Head Coach perspective it would be Jimmy. As others have mentioned he inherited a decent program with a good amount of talent. Yet he drove it straight off a cliff. It was even evident last year but we had a couple miracle wins that saved his ass. Jimmy did a lot of good here but he was a monumental failure as a HC.

    Plus Ty gave us this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxUIczVCsnA