Jen Cohen has got to go NOW

haie said:

DerekJohnson said:

Tequilla said:

DerekJohnson said:

Tequilla said:

DerekJohnson said:

Tequilla said:

DerekJohnson said:

Tequilla said:

HoustonHusky said:

Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.

The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.

So Jen’s supposed to be the expert on OC hires?

It was a questionable at best hire at the time and the disaster it turned out to be was a contributing factor in Jimmy getting rightfully fired

But having an AD overtly micro manage hiring decisions by her directs … that’s not how things work

I’m plenty critical of Jen but not in this regard … that’s 1000% on Jimmy

If an AD sees her staff member making a colossal mistake, you intervene. This is not difficult.

Intervene how?

Jesus Christ Teq.

It’s a simple question

I’m asking you to clarify as to not jump to conclusions

If I’m jumping to conclusions I’d expect you to say that if you were the AD you would have blocked and not signed off on the hire

If I'm running a business, and I see an employee making a terrible decision, I intervene.

So you’re going to micro manage your employees

It’s an approach

Making a hire that could crater an entire season = micromanaging

Sure buddy

Dude pretends like he's had to manage anyone, let alone a white collar employee.

😂👍

You have a lot of anger and resentment in your life … might want to work on that

haie said:

backthepack said:

haie said:

Tequilla said:

DerekJohnson said:

Tequilla said:

DerekJohnson said:

Tequilla said:

DerekJohnson said:

Tequilla said:

HoustonHusky said:

Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.

The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.

So Jen’s supposed to be the expert on OC hires?

It was a questionable at best hire at the time and the disaster it turned out to be was a contributing factor in Jimmy getting rightfully fired

But having an AD overtly micro manage hiring decisions by her directs … that’s not how things work

I’m plenty critical of Jen but not in this regard … that’s 1000% on Jimmy

If an AD sees her staff member making a colossal mistake, you intervene. This is not difficult.

Intervene how?

Jesus Christ Teq.

It’s a simple question

I’m asking you to clarify as to not jump to conclusions

If I’m jumping to conclusions I’d expect you to say that if you were the AD you would have blocked and not signed off on the hire

If I'm running a business, and I see an employee making a terrible decision, I intervene.

So you’re going to micro manage your employees

It’s an approach

Shut up.

You don't know shit on the subject so piss off.

His TCU MBA in business administration says otherwise pal!

He's an analyst that is secluded from the non post grads.

There's a value in that too. Obviously.

But like elite developers and all sorts of people he hangs around with, you can't make personnel decisions off of that.

Damn … busted

AtomicDawg said:

Tequilla said:

DerekJohnson said:

Tequilla said:

DerekJohnson said:

Tequilla said:

DerekJohnson said:

Tequilla said:

DerekJohnson said:

Tequilla said:

HoustonHusky said:

Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.

The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.

So Jen’s supposed to be the expert on OC hires?

It was a questionable at best hire at the time and the disaster it turned out to be was a contributing factor in Jimmy getting rightfully fired

But having an AD overtly micro manage hiring decisions by her directs … that’s not how things work

I’m plenty critical of Jen but not in this regard … that’s 1000% on Jimmy

If an AD sees her staff member making a colossal mistake, you intervene. This is not difficult.

Intervene how?

Jesus Christ Teq.

It’s a simple question

I’m asking you to clarify as to not jump to conclusions

If I’m jumping to conclusions I’d expect you to say that if you were the AD you would have blocked and not signed off on the hire

If I'm running a business, and I see an employee making a terrible decision, I intervene.

So you’re going to micro manage your employees

It’s an approach

Making a hire that could crater an entire season = micromanaging

Sure buddy

With all due respect DJ, comments like this from you (and others) are ones where I just shake my head and sigh because this just isn’t how business is done.

Mr Anus gave a really good reason why what you and others are suggesting doesn’t work

Whatever

This the part where you think you’re the only one that has any business acumen or Experience with corporate structure. You come across as arrogant and a try hard when you do this like every few months.

Boards, executives and other senior management put an end to bad hiring and other decisions before they ever happen regardless if they report directly to them or not. That’s common sense, not micro
Managing. JonDon was not a realistic hire for anyone in a p-5 conference.

Respect your opinion but you couldn’t be more wrong about my motives or whatnot

I share my experiences in instances like this because of what I’ve seen, discussions I’ve been involved in, outcomes, etc to sensitive information and discussions throughout my career going as high and low in all types of organizations. If people have other experiences I welcome that discussion as by no means do I expect to have the market covered there

Jen’s the C-level executive to Athletics. She’s got people she’s accountable to in terms of hiring decisions that she makes. Generally speaking, again based on my experience, people at that level if they present a candidate they are generally going to be approved … for example, AMC may have a conversation prior to hiring but the BoR won’t. The conversation with AMC would have to go massively sideways for her to block the hire. AMC’s work in the hire would predominately be before the hire at most in providing Jen the support she needs in making the hire. Now, if we are talking about hiring an AD. who is a direct report to AMC her influence in the process would dramatically increase.

The head coaches in Athletics are effectively varying levels of VPs with football being the most influential of the VPs. An ADs role here is ensuring that their direct report has all of the resources needed to be successful in making their hires. It’s not the ADs job per se to interview the candidate and similar to the above example, may have a brief conversation prior to hiring.

At either level of an organization, you hire the AD and you hire the HC to do their jobs and run the business effectively.

Obviously, not all hires work out. When they don’t the hiring individual feels heat depending on how egregious the hire was. As we just saw with Jimmy Lake the JonDon hire was a significant factor in his firing.

Now, what you’re describing in terms of managers blocking hires I’ve seen frequently but are typically at lower levels of an organization whether it be tied to the Manager/Sr Manager levels and promotions (which can occur at most levels).

None of us are privy to what conversations Jen and Jimmy had. Most public comments from Jen when asked about funding was that Jimmy had everything he asked for. It’s incredibly rare to publicly hear of an AD firing assistant coaches, blocking their hires, or nixing promotions … all of that falls to the Head Coach.

Again, I welcome anybody to share experiences that are different as I certainly do not have any market covered here … I can’t reiterate enough that the opinions I share on this are based on my experiences tied to organizational decision making in a wide variety of companies big and small. Those experiences generally speaking have similar dynamics across all the types of companies I’ve been involved with.

You can take or leave my opinions on stuff like this and that’s fine … it’s no skin off my back either way

haie said:

thechatch said:

I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone take the internet as seriously as @haie

It means so fucking much to that guy….

Yeah.
Vacuum cleaner salesman hot take.

The state of Oregon.

Full of "guys who do take much seriously"

Almost 11,000 posts and 95% of them are you lashing out at people, in a desperate and awkward attempt to belittle them with the goal of making yourself appear smarter or more successful, or whatever it is that happens to be driving your feelings of inferiority complex that day.

Everybody here sees it, little buddy. When you prattle on about STEM programs at a university you may or may not have attended a quarter century ago or when you brag about managing “white collar professionals” it’s so plainly obvious how much the people here who really don’t give a shit about you have gotten inside your head.

But you have a wonderful day. I gotta go sell some vacuum cleaners.

FremontTroll said:

NorwegianHusky said:

Why the fuck do people want Bob Stoops? Hire him so he can recruit decently and then retire after 3-4 years like CP?

Let's not forget he retired for a reason. Just because you were great once doesn't mean the evolution of the game won't catch up to you some day.

He is only 61 and he was successful all the way through the end this isn’t a Mack Brown hire.

Even if he won’t stay more than 5-6 years we need someone who can urgently right the ship with little downside risk.

Then next time we just need to not fuck up the handover.

FremontTroll said:

NorwegianHusky said:

Why the fuck do people want Bob Stoops? Hire him so he can recruit decently and then retire after 3-4 years like CP?

Let's not forget he retired for a reason. Just because you were great once doesn't mean the evolution of the game won't catch up to you some day.

He is only 61 and he was successful all the way through the end this isn’t a Mack Brown hire.

Even if he won’t stay more than 5-6 years we need someone who can urgently right the ship with little downside risk.

Then next time we just need to not fuck up the handover.

Also, Stoops seems to hire good assistants which would be helpful for the next hire when he retires.

ATBS, Stoops is not coming here.

Why is this whole thing still a conversation?

Jen hired Jimmy based upon a lot of factors but the primary one could well have been CP's vote of confidence in Jimmy.

New situation. Blank slate.

Coach wants to make an obvious disastrous hire.

Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES is it a good idea to just rubberstamp a hire that will certainly crater the organization for three years minimum.

Tequilla said:

haie said:

Tequilla said:

DerekJohnson said:

Tequilla said:

DerekJohnson said:

Tequilla said:

DerekJohnson said:

Tequilla said:

HoustonHusky said:

Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.

The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.

So Jen’s supposed to be the expert on OC hires?

It was a questionable at best hire at the time and the disaster it turned out to be was a contributing factor in Jimmy getting rightfully fired

But having an AD overtly micro manage hiring decisions by her directs … that’s not how things work

I’m plenty critical of Jen but not in this regard … that’s 1000% on Jimmy

If an AD sees her staff member making a colossal mistake, you intervene. This is not difficult.

Intervene how?

Jesus Christ Teq.

It’s a simple question

I’m asking you to clarify as to not jump to conclusions

If I’m jumping to conclusions I’d expect you to say that if you were the AD you would have blocked and not signed off on the hire

If I'm running a business, and I see an employee making a terrible decision, I intervene.

So you’re going to micro manage your employees

It’s an approach

Shut up.

You don't know shit on the subject so piss off.

I know way more than you think

If you’re having to do what DJ is thinking should have done … it’s a bad strategy long term

What that is saying is that you hired the wrong person to start with

The JonDon hire isn’t about JonDon … it was about Jimmy

The JonDon hire, the firings of your recruiting/support staff, pushing out K … all of that shows that Jimmy was clueless at the job of being a head coach

If you’re going to be Jimmy’s boss and tell him he can’t make a hire … you might as well fire him right then and there

That’s the point

Yeah, No. The point is not whether to usurp the HC, Teq. It's to question his choices and allow him to sell or defend them. Part of leadership is forcing your underlings to think long and hard about their choices and the consequences of them. It's not the Battle of the Bulge, nor is it a one-way street. People talk for a reason.

PurpleThrobber said:

I need to hear from @JackWelchDawg on organizational accountability.

Bottom 10% broomed annually.

I was gonna say Chainsaw Al Dunlap. But Welch is plenty analogous, too.

TurdBomber said:

Tequilla said:

DerekJohnson said:

Tequilla said:

DerekJohnson said:

Tequilla said:

HoustonHusky said:

Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.

The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.

So Jen’s supposed to be the expert on OC hires?

It was a questionable at best hire at the time and the disaster it turned out to be was a contributing factor in Jimmy getting rightfully fired

But having an AD overtly micro manage hiring decisions by her directs … that’s not how things work

I’m plenty critical of Jen but not in this regard … that’s 1000% on Jimmy

If an AD sees her staff member making a colossal mistake, you intervene. This is not difficult.

Intervene how?

Jesus Christ Teq.

It’s a simple question

I’m asking you to clarify as to not jump to conclusions

If I’m jumping to conclusions I’d expect you to say that if you were the AD you would have blocked and not signed off on the hire

Given the circumstances and the previous years of ongoing OC complaints about Smiffy, the OC position was a very high profile hire for the HC. And even the most neutral, detached view of Donovan would raise serious questions about his qualifications. A competent AD would've required Jimmy to make his case for Donovan and sell the AD on it.

I agree with this … it’s also very different from blocking the hire

If Jimmy could in any way make a case for the hire then you have to let it go … the obvious consequence is him getting fired for that decision

Tequilla youre off base here.

There is a reason Directors are usually involved in the interview process for many corporate decisions. It's very rare for a manager to hire someone without any other interviews or feedback. Its hard to get hired nowadays at a publicly traded company without getting the sign off from 4 or 5 different suits