Sark's post-game press conference

Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

bananasnblondes said:

I popped over to the texas bored because Sark is the only thing remotely fun about college football this year.

Hardly any Sark-doubting posts. All the posts have to do with the players being wusses, and how Sark needs to clean house of all the kids who grew up getting participation trophies and have no pride in Texas. No thought at all that maybe the players are a reflection of the guy leading them.

Also on dawgman there was a Sark thread where someone dared to suggest Sark might want to start drinking again. Of course this was followed by a million sanctimonious replies of "how dare you. He had a DISEASE that he did not bring on himself and had no control over"

All in all, you gotta hand it to the guy. He has continually failed up by convincing people he bears no responsibility for the shit left in his wake

So Herman's Head was 7-3 and that was on him, but Sark is 4-6 and it's on the players?

bananasnblondes said:

I popped over to the texas bored because Sark is the only thing remotely fun about college football this year.

Hardly any Sark-doubting posts. All the posts have to do with the players being wusses, and how Sark needs to clean house of all the kids who grew up getting participation trophies and have no pride in Texas. No thought at all that maybe the players are a reflection of the guy leading them.

Also on dawgman there was a Sark thread where someone dared to suggest Sark might want to start drinking again. Of course this was followed by a million sanctimonious replies of "how dare you. He had a DISEASE that he did not bring on himself and had no control over"

All in all, you gotta hand it to the guy. He has continually failed up by convincing people he bears no responsibility for the shit left in his wake

Bonedog said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

bananasnblondes said:

I popped over to the texas bored because Sark is the only thing remotely fun about college football this year.

Hardly any Sark-doubting posts. All the posts have to do with the players being wusses, and how Sark needs to clean house of all the kids who grew up getting participation trophies and have no pride in Texas. No thought at all that maybe the players are a reflection of the guy leading them.

Also on dawgman there was a Sark thread where someone dared to suggest Sark might want to start drinking again. Of course this was followed by a million sanctimonious replies of "how dare you. He had a DISEASE that he did not bring on himself and had no control over"

All in all, you gotta hand it to the guy. He has continually failed up by convincing people he bears no responsibility for the shit left in his wake

It's a disease just like driving 150 mph on residential streets is a disease, eating until you weigh 300+ lbs is a disease, or any other negative thing that feels good or seems fun is a disease.

It's an insult to people with actual diseases that they have no fucking control over and the narrative that it is a disease is a cop out.

Humanity’s relationship with alcohol is almost as old as civilization itself. Almost as soon as people discovered fermentation, it became apparent that some people could become dependent on alcohol. In 1784, physician and father of the American temperance movement, Benjamin Rush, identified an “uncontrollable and irresistible desire to consume alcohol” among certain people.(1) For most of human history, however, alcoholism was seen as a moral shortcoming or a lack of discipline.

People suffering from alcoholism were said to be “unable to hold their liquor”. This misconception has stubbornly persisted into the present day, unfortunately. Why laypeople might view alcoholism this way is somewhat understandable. Most of us are still conditioned to think of disease only as an acquired infection like influenza or an illness like cancer. Others see the disease model as a “cop-out” or an attempt by the addict or alcoholic to shirk responsibility. Mental illness in general, is still widely misunderstood and unfortunately can carry a certain stigma.

Alcoholism is Classified as a Disease

Some may be surprised to know that the debate over whether to categorize alcoholism and addiction as a disease was largely settled in the medical and scientific community more than 60 years ago. In fact, the American Medical Association formally recognized alcoholism and addiction as a disease as early as 1956. (2) The AMA’s position was even cited in the U.S. Supreme Court case (Budd v. California, 385 U.S. 909 (1966) (3). Dr. William Silkworth of New York City’s Towns Hospital is widely recognized as the first clinician to study and endorse the disease model of alcoholism. His pioneering work in treating alcoholics and advising the founders of Alcoholic Anonymous was directly responsible for transforming the way the medical community viewed alcoholism.

As Alcoholics Anonymous grew as a new resource for people struggling with alcohol, clinicians and scientists began to study the phenomenon of alcoholism and addiction from a different point of view. In the past, most chronic relapse patients were seen as “lost causes”, destined to be institutionalized for what was left of their lives. Following the work of Dr. Silkworth and others, they recognized that medical treatment combined with social intervention and therapy was yielding more promising results than anyone had seen with traditional methods alone. Today alcohol dependence is understood as a disease and listed as such in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) published by the American Psychiatric Association (APA).

Treatment for Alcoholism is Still Evolving

Thanks to the revolution in gene research, we are beginning to unravel the genetic component which makes some people so much more susceptible to chronic alcohol abuse. Two genes related to alcohol metabolism, ADH1B and ALDH2 have shown the strongest correlation with the risk of alcoholism. (4) The greater scientific understanding of the roots of alcoholism paired with a more data-driven approach to treatment has brought a new era in addiction treatment to fruition. Perhaps more than ever, the medical and recovery communities are working as partners and the long-term efficacy of treatment for alcoholism is the focus. It’s widely accepted that recognizing alcoholism as a disease was the essential sea change that needed to occur for more effective treatment to begin to be developed.

(1) https://academic.oup.com/alcalc/article/35/1/10/142396
(2) https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/318639
(3) https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/court-listened-ama-defining-alcoholism-disease-not-crime
(4) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4056340/

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

Bonedog said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

bananasnblondes said:

I popped over to the texas bored because Sark is the only thing remotely fun about college football this year.

Hardly any Sark-doubting posts. All the posts have to do with the players being wusses, and how Sark needs to clean house of all the kids who grew up getting participation trophies and have no pride in Texas. No thought at all that maybe the players are a reflection of the guy leading them.

Also on dawgman there was a Sark thread where someone dared to suggest Sark might want to start drinking again. Of course this was followed by a million sanctimonious replies of "how dare you. He had a DISEASE that he did not bring on himself and had no control over"

All in all, you gotta hand it to the guy. He has continually failed up by convincing people he bears no responsibility for the shit left in his wake

It's a disease just like driving 150 mph on residential streets is a disease, eating until you weigh 300+ lbs is a disease, or any other negative thing that feels good or seems fun is a disease.

It's an insult to people with actual diseases that they have no fucking control over and the narrative that it is a disease is a cop out.

Humanity’s relationship with alcohol is almost as old as civilization itself. Almost as soon as people discovered fermentation, it became apparent that some people could become dependent on alcohol. In 1784, physician and father of the American temperance movement, Benjamin Rush, identified an “uncontrollable and irresistible desire to consume alcohol” among certain people.(1) For most of human history, however, alcoholism was seen as a moral shortcoming or a lack of discipline.

People suffering from alcoholism were said to be “unable to hold their liquor”. This misconception has stubbornly persisted into the present day, unfortunately. Why laypeople might view alcoholism this way is somewhat understandable. Most of us are still conditioned to think of disease only as an acquired infection like influenza or an illness like cancer. Others see the disease model as a “cop-out” or an attempt by the addict or alcoholic to shirk responsibility. Mental illness in general, is still widely misunderstood and unfortunately can carry a certain stigma.

Alcoholism is Classified as a Disease

Some may be surprised to know that the debate over whether to categorize alcoholism and addiction as a disease was largely settled in the medical and scientific community more than 60 years ago. In fact, the American Medical Association formally recognized alcoholism and addiction as a disease as early as 1956. (2) The AMA’s position was even cited in the U.S. Supreme Court case (Budd v. California, 385 U.S. 909 (1966) (3). Dr. William Silkworth of New York City’s Towns Hospital is widely recognized as the first clinician to study and endorse the disease model of alcoholism. His pioneering work in treating alcoholics and advising the founders of Alcoholic Anonymous was directly responsible for transforming the way the medical community viewed alcoholism.

As Alcoholics Anonymous grew as a new resource for people struggling with alcohol, clinicians and scientists began to study the phenomenon of alcoholism and addiction from a different point of view. In the past, most chronic relapse patients were seen as “lost causes”, destined to be institutionalized for what was left of their lives. Following the work of Dr. Silkworth and others, they recognized that medical treatment combined with social intervention and therapy was yielding more promising results than anyone had seen with traditional methods alone. Today alcohol dependence is understood as a disease and listed as such in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) published by the American Psychiatric Association (APA).

Treatment for Alcoholism is Still Evolving

Thanks to the revolution in gene research, we are beginning to unravel the genetic component which makes some people so much more susceptible to chronic alcohol abuse. Two genes related to alcohol metabolism, ADH1B and ALDH2 have shown the strongest correlation with the risk of alcoholism. (4) The greater scientific understanding of the roots of alcoholism paired with a more data-driven approach to treatment has brought a new era in addiction treatment to fruition. Perhaps more than ever, the medical and recovery communities are working as partners and the long-term efficacy of treatment for alcoholism is the focus. It’s widely accepted that recognizing alcoholism as a disease was the essential sea change that needed to occur for more effective treatment to begin to be developed.

(1) https://academic.oup.com/alcalc/article/35/1/10/142396
(2) https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/318639
(3) https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/court-listened-ama-defining-alcoholism-disease-not-crime
(4) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4056340/

Disagree

Alcoholism, obesity, drug addiction, sex addiction. All ties back to lack of self control and discipline.

If you want to call that a mental illness, SarkSure.gif

It's not a fucking disease and it's insulting to someone that has a fucking disease.

FremontTroll said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

PK has actually been Sark's problem, weirdly...

Sark is PK’s problem. Sark’s program is rotting from the top, as expected.

Bonedog said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

Bonedog said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

bananasnblondes said:

I popped over to the texas bored because Sark is the only thing remotely fun about college football this year.

Hardly any Sark-doubting posts. All the posts have to do with the players being wusses, and how Sark needs to clean house of all the kids who grew up getting participation trophies and have no pride in Texas. No thought at all that maybe the players are a reflection of the guy leading them.

Also on dawgman there was a Sark thread where someone dared to suggest Sark might want to start drinking again. Of course this was followed by a million sanctimonious replies of "how dare you. He had a DISEASE that he did not bring on himself and had no control over"

All in all, you gotta hand it to the guy. He has continually failed up by convincing people he bears no responsibility for the shit left in his wake

It's a disease just like driving 150 mph on residential streets is a disease, eating until you weigh 300+ lbs is a disease, or any other negative thing that feels good or seems fun is a disease.

It's an insult to people with actual diseases that they have no fucking control over and the narrative that it is a disease is a cop out.

Humanity’s relationship with alcohol is almost as old as civilization itself. Almost as soon as people discovered fermentation, it became apparent that some people could become dependent on alcohol. In 1784, physician and father of the American temperance movement, Benjamin Rush, identified an “uncontrollable and irresistible desire to consume alcohol” among certain people.(1) For most of human history, however, alcoholism was seen as a moral shortcoming or a lack of discipline.

People suffering from alcoholism were said to be “unable to hold their liquor”. This misconception has stubbornly persisted into the present day, unfortunately. Why laypeople might view alcoholism this way is somewhat understandable. Most of us are still conditioned to think of disease only as an acquired infection like influenza or an illness like cancer. Others see the disease model as a “cop-out” or an attempt by the addict or alcoholic to shirk responsibility. Mental illness in general, is still widely misunderstood and unfortunately can carry a certain stigma.

Alcoholism is Classified as a Disease

Some may be surprised to know that the debate over whether to categorize alcoholism and addiction as a disease was largely settled in the medical and scientific community more than 60 years ago. In fact, the American Medical Association formally recognized alcoholism and addiction as a disease as early as 1956. (2) The AMA’s position was even cited in the U.S. Supreme Court case (Budd v. California, 385 U.S. 909 (1966) (3). Dr. William Silkworth of New York City’s Towns Hospital is widely recognized as the first clinician to study and endorse the disease model of alcoholism. His pioneering work in treating alcoholics and advising the founders of Alcoholic Anonymous was directly responsible for transforming the way the medical community viewed alcoholism.

As Alcoholics Anonymous grew as a new resource for people struggling with alcohol, clinicians and scientists began to study the phenomenon of alcoholism and addiction from a different point of view. In the past, most chronic relapse patients were seen as “lost causes”, destined to be institutionalized for what was left of their lives. Following the work of Dr. Silkworth and others, they recognized that medical treatment combined with social intervention and therapy was yielding more promising results than anyone had seen with traditional methods alone. Today alcohol dependence is understood as a disease and listed as such in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) published by the American Psychiatric Association (APA).

Treatment for Alcoholism is Still Evolving

Thanks to the revolution in gene research, we are beginning to unravel the genetic component which makes some people so much more susceptible to chronic alcohol abuse. Two genes related to alcohol metabolism, ADH1B and ALDH2 have shown the strongest correlation with the risk of alcoholism. (4) The greater scientific understanding of the roots of alcoholism paired with a more data-driven approach to treatment has brought a new era in addiction treatment to fruition. Perhaps more than ever, the medical and recovery communities are working as partners and the long-term efficacy of treatment for alcoholism is the focus. It’s widely accepted that recognizing alcoholism as a disease was the essential sea change that needed to occur for more effective treatment to begin to be developed.

(1) https://academic.oup.com/alcalc/article/35/1/10/142396
(2) https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/318639
(3) https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/court-listened-ama-defining-alcoholism-disease-not-crime
(4) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4056340/

Disagree

Alcoholism, obesity, drug addiction, sex addiction. All ties back to lack of self control and discipline.

If you want to call that a mental illness, SarkSure.gif

It's not a fucking disease and it's insulting to someone that has a fucking disease.

Wrong! Ever see anyone die a alcoholic death? They couldn’t stop drinking? No amount of will power or choice could stop them? Alcoholic decease centers in the mind. Diabetes is a disease and the diabetic can take insulin for it. The alcoholics only avenue is abstinence and spiritual help period.

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

FremontTroll said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

PK has actually been Sark's problem, weirdly...

Sark is PK’s problem. Sark’s program is rotting from the top, as expected.

His offense is scoring points. PKs defense is really fucking bad.

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

Bonedog said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

Bonedog said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

bananasnblondes said:

I popped over to the texas bored because Sark is the only thing remotely fun about college football this year.

Hardly any Sark-doubting posts. All the posts have to do with the players being wusses, and how Sark needs to clean house of all the kids who grew up getting participation trophies and have no pride in Texas. No thought at all that maybe the players are a reflection of the guy leading them.

Also on dawgman there was a Sark thread where someone dared to suggest Sark might want to start drinking again. Of course this was followed by a million sanctimonious replies of "how dare you. He had a DISEASE that he did not bring on himself and had no control over"

All in all, you gotta hand it to the guy. He has continually failed up by convincing people he bears no responsibility for the shit left in his wake

It's a disease just like driving 150 mph on residential streets is a disease, eating until you weigh 300+ lbs is a disease, or any other negative thing that feels good or seems fun is a disease.

It's an insult to people with actual diseases that they have no fucking control over and the narrative that it is a disease is a cop out.

Humanity’s relationship with alcohol is almost as old as civilization itself. Almost as soon as people discovered fermentation, it became apparent that some people could become dependent on alcohol. In 1784, physician and father of the American temperance movement, Benjamin Rush, identified an “uncontrollable and irresistible desire to consume alcohol” among certain people.(1) For most of human history, however, alcoholism was seen as a moral shortcoming or a lack of discipline.

People suffering from alcoholism were said to be “unable to hold their liquor”. This misconception has stubbornly persisted into the present day, unfortunately. Why laypeople might view alcoholism this way is somewhat understandable. Most of us are still conditioned to think of disease only as an acquired infection like influenza or an illness like cancer. Others see the disease model as a “cop-out” or an attempt by the addict or alcoholic to shirk responsibility. Mental illness in general, is still widely misunderstood and unfortunately can carry a certain stigma.

Alcoholism is Classified as a Disease

Some may be surprised to know that the debate over whether to categorize alcoholism and addiction as a disease was largely settled in the medical and scientific community more than 60 years ago. In fact, the American Medical Association formally recognized alcoholism and addiction as a disease as early as 1956. (2) The AMA’s position was even cited in the U.S. Supreme Court case (Budd v. California, 385 U.S. 909 (1966) (3). Dr. William Silkworth of New York City’s Towns Hospital is widely recognized as the first clinician to study and endorse the disease model of alcoholism. His pioneering work in treating alcoholics and advising the founders of Alcoholic Anonymous was directly responsible for transforming the way the medical community viewed alcoholism.

As Alcoholics Anonymous grew as a new resource for people struggling with alcohol, clinicians and scientists began to study the phenomenon of alcoholism and addiction from a different point of view. In the past, most chronic relapse patients were seen as “lost causes”, destined to be institutionalized for what was left of their lives. Following the work of Dr. Silkworth and others, they recognized that medical treatment combined with social intervention and therapy was yielding more promising results than anyone had seen with traditional methods alone. Today alcohol dependence is understood as a disease and listed as such in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) published by the American Psychiatric Association (APA).

Treatment for Alcoholism is Still Evolving

Thanks to the revolution in gene research, we are beginning to unravel the genetic component which makes some people so much more susceptible to chronic alcohol abuse. Two genes related to alcohol metabolism, ADH1B and ALDH2 have shown the strongest correlation with the risk of alcoholism. (4) The greater scientific understanding of the roots of alcoholism paired with a more data-driven approach to treatment has brought a new era in addiction treatment to fruition. Perhaps more than ever, the medical and recovery communities are working as partners and the long-term efficacy of treatment for alcoholism is the focus. It’s widely accepted that recognizing alcoholism as a disease was the essential sea change that needed to occur for more effective treatment to begin to be developed.

(1) https://academic.oup.com/alcalc/article/35/1/10/142396
(2) https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/318639
(3) https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/court-listened-ama-defining-alcoholism-disease-not-crime
(4) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4056340/

Disagree

Alcoholism, obesity, drug addiction, sex addiction. All ties back to lack of self control and discipline.

If you want to call that a mental illness, SarkSure.gif

It's not a fucking disease and it's insulting to someone that has a fucking disease.

Wrong! Ever see anyone die a alcoholic death? They couldn’t stop drinking? No amount of will power or choice could stop them? Alcoholic decease centers in the mind. Diabetes is a disease and the diabetic can take insulin for it. The alcoholics only avenue is abstinence and spiritual help period.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=alcoholism+is+not+a+disease&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart#d=gs_qabs&u=#p=m4vwUrvxGi0J

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=alcoholism+is+not+a+disease&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart#d=gs_qabs&u=#p=v3hDrAkF7J0J

https://www.baldwinresearch.com/alcoholism.cfm

https://nypost.com/2015/07/12/addiction-is-not-a-disease-and-were-treating-drug-and-alcohol-addicts-wrong/

https://rehabs.com/pro-talk/how-and-why-addiction-is-not-a-disease-a-neuroscientist-challenges-traditional-views/



It's really easy to take the cop out path and call it a disease. I get it.

Some people, whether by nature or nurture or environment, are more prone to the pleasure response from damaging behaviors. People are different, riveting stuff.

Again, equating an alcoholic to someone dying of cancer is a fucking joke and sums up pretty much everything wrong with modern society.

Sources said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

Bonedog said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

bananasnblondes said:

I popped over to the texas bored because Sark is the only thing remotely fun about college football this year.

Hardly any Sark-doubting posts. All the posts have to do with the players being wusses, and how Sark needs to clean house of all the kids who grew up getting participation trophies and have no pride in Texas. No thought at all that maybe the players are a reflection of the guy leading them.

Also on dawgman there was a Sark thread where someone dared to suggest Sark might want to start drinking again. Of course this was followed by a million sanctimonious replies of "how dare you. He had a DISEASE that he did not bring on himself and had no control over"

All in all, you gotta hand it to the guy. He has continually failed up by convincing people he bears no responsibility for the shit left in his wake

It's a disease just like driving 150 mph on residential streets is a disease, eating until you weigh 300+ lbs is a disease, or any other negative thing that feels good or seems fun is a disease.

It's an insult to people with actual diseases that they have no fucking control over and the narrative that it is a disease is a cop out.

Humanity’s relationship with alcohol is almost as old as civilization itself. Almost as soon as people discovered fermentation, it became apparent that some people could become dependent on alcohol. In 1784, physician and father of the American temperance movement, Benjamin Rush, identified an “uncontrollable and irresistible desire to consume alcohol” among certain people.(1) For most of human history, however, alcoholism was seen as a moral shortcoming or a lack of discipline.

People suffering from alcoholism were said to be “unable to hold their liquor”. This misconception has stubbornly persisted into the present day, unfortunately. Why laypeople might view alcoholism this way is somewhat understandable. Most of us are still conditioned to think of disease only as an acquired infection like influenza or an illness like cancer. Others see the disease model as a “cop-out” or an attempt by the addict or alcoholic to shirk responsibility. Mental illness in general, is still widely misunderstood and unfortunately can carry a certain stigma.

Alcoholism is Classified as a Disease

Some may be surprised to know that the debate over whether to categorize alcoholism and addiction as a disease was largely settled in the medical and scientific community more than 60 years ago. In fact, the American Medical Association formally recognized alcoholism and addiction as a disease as early as 1956. (2) The AMA’s position was even cited in the U.S. Supreme Court case (Budd v. California, 385 U.S. 909 (1966) (3). Dr. William Silkworth of New York City’s Towns Hospital is widely recognized as the first clinician to study and endorse the disease model of alcoholism. His pioneering work in treating alcoholics and advising the founders of Alcoholic Anonymous was directly responsible for transforming the way the medical community viewed alcoholism.

As Alcoholics Anonymous grew as a new resource for people struggling with alcohol, clinicians and scientists began to study the phenomenon of alcoholism and addiction from a different point of view. In the past, most chronic relapse patients were seen as “lost causes”, destined to be institutionalized for what was left of their lives. Following the work of Dr. Silkworth and others, they recognized that medical treatment combined with social intervention and therapy was yielding more promising results than anyone had seen with traditional methods alone. Today alcohol dependence is understood as a disease and listed as such in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) published by the American Psychiatric Association (APA).

Treatment for Alcoholism is Still Evolving

Thanks to the revolution in gene research, we are beginning to unravel the genetic component which makes some people so much more susceptible to chronic alcohol abuse. Two genes related to alcohol metabolism, ADH1B and ALDH2 have shown the strongest correlation with the risk of alcoholism. (4) The greater scientific understanding of the roots of alcoholism paired with a more data-driven approach to treatment has brought a new era in addiction treatment to fruition. Perhaps more than ever, the medical and recovery communities are working as partners and the long-term efficacy of treatment for alcoholism is the focus. It’s widely accepted that recognizing alcoholism as a disease was the essential sea change that needed to occur for more effective treatment to begin to be developed.

(1) https://academic.oup.com/alcalc/article/35/1/10/142396
(2) https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/318639
(3) https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/court-listened-ama-defining-alcoholism-disease-not-crime
(4) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4056340/

Disagree

Alcoholism, obesity, drug addiction, sex addiction. All ties back to lack of self control and discipline.

If you want to call that a mental illness, SarkSure.gif

It's not a fucking disease and it's insulting to someone that has a fucking disease.

Gladstone said:

Remember, Wilcox crushed it as a DC everywhere save for Sark at USC. He struggled and was scapegoated, going to Wisconsin afterwards and immediately improving their defense. I feel bad for Kwat, although he did tether to Sark willingly. He knew Lake was DOA but maybe the money was too great to turn down.