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  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,051 Standard Supporter
    AOG said:

    The fact is that the dossier was not taken seriously and was not what started the Russia scandal. It started with alcohol. Papadopoulos blabbed to an Australian diplomat that Trump was aware of the hack. Indeed he was, and never mentioned it to the FBI.

    You are a very naive and stupid person.

    You deserve the social thrashings you frequently receive.
  • AOG
    AOG Member Posts: 2,836
    edited November 2021
    Read for yourself what started the investigation.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/30/us/politics/how-fbi-russia-investigation-began-george-papadopoulos.html

    The result was the Mueller report did indeed show that Trump had scores of contacts with Russian operatives, he "expected to benefit from stolen information." The report showed collusion, which is not a legal term, but not "criminal conspiracy," and did show lots of obstruction of justice which could still be prosecuted. And fuck off
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188
    edited November 2021
    AOG said:

    Read for yourself what started the investigation.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/30/us/politics/how-fbi-russia-investigation-began-george-papadopoulos.html

    The result was the Mueller report did indeed show that Trump had scores of contacts with Russian operatives, he "expected to benefit from stolen information." The report showed collusion, which is not a legal term, but not "criminal conspiracy," and did show lots of obstruction of justice.

    Yeah, the NYTimes reporting from 2017 is rock solid on this topic. Papdopoulos never even discussed emails with Downer. Does the 2017 story tell how Papdopouls first heard about the Russians having dirt on Hillary and who told him that and how it was that he was even in London in the first place?
  • AOG
    AOG Member Posts: 2,836
    I said that *started* it, which is true, not whether or not some details were later shown different.

    Anyway, I don't see what you are worried about. The Dems are not going to break the filibuster and you and your loonies can reassume the federal government again.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,051 Standard Supporter
    Wow, this AOG dude is really overmatched in here.

    And dumber than a door nail.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188
    You need to pick up the story a little later than 2017 in order to get the facts of the matter. And there is pretty damn good evidence that the entire thing was a set up from the get go.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/fbi-trump-russia-investigation-george-papadopoulos/
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188
    Prior to early July, when the FBI began receiving Steele-dossier reports (which the State Department would also soon receive), the intelligence community — particularly the CIA, under the direction of its hyperpolitical director, John Brennan — had been theorizing that the Trump campaign was in a corrupt relationship with Russia. Thanks to the Steele dossier, even before Downer reported his conversation with Papadopoulos to the State Department, the Obama administration had already been operating on the theory that Russia was planning to assist the Trump campaign through the anonymous release of information that would be damaging to Clinton. They had already conveniently fit the hacked DNC emails into this theory.

    Downer’s report enabled the Obama administration to cover an investigative theory it was already pursuing with a report from a friendly foreign government, as if that report had triggered the Trump-Russia investigation. In order to pull that off, however, it was necessary to distort what Papadopoulos had told Downer.

    To repeat, Papadopoulos never told Downer anything about emails. Moreover, the Mueller report provides no basis for Papadopoulos to have known that Russia was planning the anonymous release of information damaging to Clinton in order to help Trump; nor does the Mueller report allege that Papadopoulos actually told Downer such a thing.

    The State Department’s report to the FBI claiming that Papadopoulos had “suggested” these things to Downer was manufactured to portray a false connection between (a) what Papadopoulos told Downer and (b) the hacking and publication of the DNC emails. That false connection then became the rationale for formally opening the FBI’s Trump-Russia investigation — paper cover for an investigation of the Trump campaign that was already under way.
  • AOG
    AOG Member Posts: 2,836
    Sorry, every reference on the internet that isn't far right crackpot says the George Papadopoulos meeting with Downer was the spark that start all this and not the silly dossier. That's all...