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AOG said:

The fact is that the dossier was not taken seriously and was not what started the Russia scandal. It started with alcohol. Papadopoulos blabbed to an Australian diplomat that Trump was aware of the hack. Indeed he was, and never mentioned it to the FBI.

You do realize that what information was given to him was a set up right, just like this crap

The Trump tower meeting was a setup too, why was Hillary so worried about setting Trump up?

AOG said:

pawz said:

AOG said:

The fact is that the dossier was not taken seriously and was not what started the Russia scandal. It started with alcohol. Papadopoulos blabbed to an Australian diplomat that Trump was aware of the hack. Indeed he was, and never mentioned it to the FBI.

You serious, bro? That shit's been debunked for years.

Stick to Central football.

Well Trump wasn't impeached for this. But the reason this started was not the dossier as the lunatic fringe claims.

Like the Dazzler, you confuse 'impeach' with 'guilt'.

Never convicted. Got it? Stop being a pea brain blue koolaid drinker.

Guys, I'm beginning to have suspicions that the steele dossier might not be entirely on the level. I'll keep investigating and mulling this over.

AOG said:

The fact is that the dossier was not taken seriously and was not what started the Russia scandal. It started with alcohol. Papadopoulos blabbed to an Australian diplomat that Trump was aware of the hack. Indeed he was, and never mentioned it to the FBI.

Willful ignorance or stupidity? Everything you just said here is false and opposite of the facts and the truth. So which is it, are you a liar or a moron?

Btw, do we even have any evidence that the DNC was ever hacked by the Russians? We know the DNC never turned over their servers and the only verifcation that we have that the "Russians" were behind the hack is the very same corrupt FBI that knew the Dossier was bogus but used it anyway to get a FISA warrant.

Read for yourself what started the investigation.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/30/us/politics/how-fbi-russia-investigation-began-george-papadopoulos.html

The result was the Mueller report did indeed show that Trump had scores of contacts with Russian operatives, he "expected to benefit from stolen information." The report showed collusion, which is not a legal term, but not "criminal conspiracy," and did show lots of obstruction of justice which could still be prosecuted. And fuck off

AOG said:

Read for yourself what started the investigation.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/30/us/politics/how-fbi-russia-investigation-began-george-papadopoulos.html

The result was the Mueller report did indeed show that Trump had scores of contacts with Russian operatives, he "expected to benefit from stolen information." The report showed collusion, which is not a legal term, but not "criminal conspiracy," and did show lots of obstruction of justice.

Yeah, the NYTimes reporting from 2017 is rock solid on this topic. Papdopoulos never even discussed emails with Downer. Does the 2017 story tell how Papdopouls first heard about the Russians having dirt on Hillary and who told him that and how it was that he was even in London in the first place?

Wow, this AOG dude is really overmatched in here.

And dumber than a door nail.

Prior to early July, when the FBI began receiving Steele-dossier reports (which the State Department would also soon receive), the intelligence community — particularly the CIA, under the direction of its hyperpolitical director, John Brennan — had been theorizing that the Trump campaign was in a corrupt relationship with Russia. Thanks to the Steele dossier, even before Downer reported his conversation with Papadopoulos to the State Department, the Obama administration had already been operating on the theory that Russia was planning to assist the Trump campaign through the anonymous release of information that would be damaging to Clinton. They had already conveniently fit the hacked DNC emails into this theory.

Downer’s report enabled the Obama administration to cover an investigative theory it was already pursuing with a report from a friendly foreign government, as if that report had triggered the Trump-Russia investigation. In order to pull that off, however, it was necessary to distort what Papadopoulos had told Downer.

To repeat, Papadopoulos never told Downer anything about emails. Moreover, the Mueller report provides no basis for Papadopoulos to have known that Russia was planning the anonymous release of information damaging to Clinton in order to help Trump; nor does the Mueller report allege that Papadopoulos actually told Downer such a thing.

The State Department’s report to the FBI claiming that Papadopoulos had “suggested” these things to Downer was manufactured to portray a false connection between (a) what Papadopoulos told Downer and (b) the hacking and publication of the DNC emails. That false connection then became the rationale for formally opening the FBI’s Trump-Russia investigation — paper cover for an investigation of the Trump campaign that was already under way.

Sorry, every reference on the internet that isn't far right crackpot says the George Papadopoulos meeting with Downer was the spark that start all this and not the silly dossier. That's all...

AOG said:

Sorry, every reference on the internet that isn't far right crackpot says the George Papadopoulos meeting with Downer was the spark that start all this and not the silly dossier. That's all...

When did they open up a formal investigation? When did they receive the dossier?

RaceBannon said:

AOG said:

Sorry, every reference on the internet that isn't far right crackpot says the George Papadopoulos meeting with Downer was the spark that start all this and not the silly dossier. That's all...

Sorry you don't have any interest in the facts only your false narrative

The fake dossier commissioned by Clinton was the key

You can go back on this site and find Sven and the rest jacking off over the golden showers. That hooked the public and gave cover to the "we just need the truth" lie

We have a lot more truth now but you cling to the lie

Go figure

We also know that when they first applied for the FISA warrant they didn't include anything from the Dossier and were denied. The applied again using the Dossier as a source and it was granted. Claiming the Dossier wasn't taken seriously and no big deal is blatant misinformation.

Btw, Nunes, who during this entire thing has been pretty damn accurate and honest says that he has reason to believe that the investigation into Trump by the Obama Admin started in late 2015.

AOG said:

Sorry, every reference on the internet that isn't far right crackpot says the George Papadopoulos meeting with Downer was the spark that start all this and not the silly dossier. That's all...

Yep, far right crackpots like Glen Greenwald and Matt Taibbi. You really don't know much about this besides what you read on NYT? The paper of record that soiled its reputation with the 1619 projekt? Sure.

hardhat said:

AOG said:

Sorry, every reference on the internet that isn't far right crackpot says the George Papadopoulos meeting with Downer was the spark that start all this and not the silly dossier. That's all...

Yep, far right crackpots like Glen Greenwald and Matt Taibbi. You really don't know much about this besides what you read on NYT? The paper of record that soiled its reputation with the 1619 projekt? Sure.

If you're citing New York Times articles from 2017 on what really happened in the Russian collusion story you're beyond help. They lied to you AOG, and they did so for years, and it appears you liked it.