You can see where this all becomes a slippery slope all over right?
I agree. Should be just a straight vaccine mandate.
How does that make sense?
There are people that can’t get vaccinated … how do you suggest that works?
I’d ask about how you consider those that have religious (or related) objections … but I suspect you don’t have any pity on that
Moreover, there’s lots of data out there comparing what’s going on in Israel and Sweden …
We know the vaccinations help … but it would appear that the vaccine isn’t a long term solution per se
But the vaccine is a present solution to becoming seriously ill or dying. There are virtually no cases of fully vaccinated people dying from breakthrough infections unless their health was already precarious. If everyone would get vaccinated, we could get back to normal for now at least.
But at the same time, as someone vaccinated, why should I care about somebody else being vaccinated or not?
For at least the same reason we cared about antibiotics being over prescribed. Because the acts or omissions of others can increase the ability of the infective organism to mutate and become resistant to our treatments.
This is stupid on at least two levels
Over prescribing anti biotics is bad
The same applies to what we are seeing with this vax everyone approach
You can see where this all becomes a slippery slope all over right?
I agree. Should be just a straight vaccine mandate.
How does that make sense?
There are people that can’t get vaccinated … how do you suggest that works?
I’d ask about how you consider those that have religious (or related) objections … but I suspect you don’t have any pity on that
Moreover, there’s lots of data out there comparing what’s going on in Israel and Sweden …
We know the vaccinations help … but it would appear that the vaccine isn’t a long term solution per se
But the vaccine is a present solution to becoming seriously ill or dying. There are virtually no cases of fully vaccinated people dying from breakthrough infections unless their health was already precarious. If everyone would get vaccinated, we could get back to normal for now at least.
But at the same time, as someone vaccinated, why should I care about somebody else being vaccinated or not?
For at least the same reason we cared about antibiotics being over prescribed. Because the acts or omissions of others can increase the ability of the infective organism to mutate and become resistant to our medicines.
And as others have noted …
Vaccinated individuals aren’t immune from getting COVID or spreading it
Is there really evidence that COVID won’t continue to mutate? Data would suggest that it will
No one has to help Covid's process of mutation along by voluntarily serving as a petri dish. And while vaccinated people are not necessarily immune, that is true of all vaccinations. No reason to make improvement the enemy of perfection.
You can see where this all becomes a slippery slope all over right?
I agree. Should be just a straight vaccine mandate.
How does that make sense?
There are people that can’t get vaccinated … how do you suggest that works?
I’d ask about how you consider those that have religious (or related) objections … but I suspect you don’t have any pity on that
Moreover, there’s lots of data out there comparing what’s going on in Israel and Sweden …
We know the vaccinations help … but it would appear that the vaccine isn’t a long term solution per se
But the vaccine is a present solution to becoming seriously ill or dying. There are virtually no cases of fully vaccinated people dying from breakthrough infections unless their health was already precarious. If everyone would get vaccinated, we could get back to normal for now at least.
But at the same time, as someone vaccinated, why should I care about somebody else being vaccinated or not?
For at least the same reason we cared about antibiotics being over prescribed. Because the acts or omissions of others can increase the ability of the infective organism to mutate and become resistant to our treatments.
This is stupid on at least two levels
Over prescribing anti biotics is bad
The same applies to what we are seeing with this vax everyone approach
The state of Washington has approximately 7.61 million people. Number of vaccinations administered in the State of WA since 1/16/21 (The date of the first vax) 9.78 million
Number of covid deaths in the State of WA prior to any vaccinations: approx 3600
Number of covid deaths in the State of WA after vaccinations started: approx 3400
So, seems like we could blame the the fairly small number of unvaxxed magatards, (In King County it is currently less than 15%) or, like any sane person would do, we could point to the fact that the fucking vaccine is as worthless as John Donovan.
The state of Washington has approximately 7.61 million people. Number of vaccinations administered in the State of WA since 1/16/21 (The date of the first vax) 9.78 million
Number of covid deaths in the State of WA prior to any vaccinations: approx 3600
Number of covid deaths in the State of WA after vaccinations started: approx 3400
So, seems like we could blame the the fairly small number of unvaxxed magatards, (In King County it is currently less than 15%) or, like any sane person would do, we could point to the fact that the fucking vaccine is as worthless as John Donovan.
People are also much more free moving in 2021 than they were the first 9 months of the pandemic in 2020
You can see where this all becomes a slippery slope all over right?
I agree. Should be just a straight vaccine mandate.
How does that make sense?
There are people that can’t get vaccinated … how do you suggest that works?
I’d ask about how you consider those that have religious (or related) objections … but I suspect you don’t have any pity on that
Moreover, there’s lots of data out there comparing what’s going on in Israel and Sweden …
We know the vaccinations help … but it would appear that the vaccine isn’t a long term solution per se
But the vaccine is a present solution to becoming seriously ill or dying. There are virtually no cases of fully vaccinated people dying from breakthrough infections unless their health was already precarious. If everyone would get vaccinated, we could get back to normal for now at least.
The case that was presented to us was 70% vaccinated. We're now nearly there, at 63%. We should definitely have those that are vulnerable due to age or comorbidity vaccinated. Any thoughts on what that means for kids under 12?
Embrace the power of A-N-D
And everyone should be on a prophylactic of Vit C,D And Zinc just like the evolving science has now lead NIL to conclude this is a smart thing to do.
AND you should consider other methods, supplements, drugs, habits, behaviors, food, exercise,, etc, that you have discussed with your own personal care provider(s) to establish what is best for you, personally.
For some of you, this may or may not include repurposed FDA approved, widely used drugs with a known safety profile.
It sounds like most people just get the vaccine and cross their fingers.
And you should make your own personal choice(s) on how to proceed in this minefield.
The state of Washington has approximately 7.61 million people. Number of vaccinations administered in the State of WA since 1/16/21 (The date of the first vax) 9.78 million
Number of covid deaths in the State of WA prior to any vaccinations: approx 3600
Number of covid deaths in the State of WA after vaccinations started: approx 3400
So, seems like we could blame the the fairly small number of unvaxxed magatards, (In King County it is currently less than 15%) or, like any sane person would do, we could point to the fact that the fucking vaccine is as worthless as John Donovan.
People are also much more free moving in 2021 than they were the first 9 months of the pandemic in 2020
You can see where this all becomes a slippery slope all over right?
I agree. Should be just a straight vaccine mandate.
How does that make sense?
There are people that can’t get vaccinated … how do you suggest that works?
I’d ask about how you consider those that have religious (or related) objections … but I suspect you don’t have any pity on that
Moreover, there’s lots of data out there comparing what’s going on in Israel and Sweden …
We know the vaccinations help … but it would appear that the vaccine isn’t a long term solution per se
But the vaccine is a present solution to becoming seriously ill or dying. There are virtually no cases of fully vaccinated people dying from breakthrough infections unless their health was already precarious. If everyone would get vaccinated, we could get back to normal for now at least.
That is a fucking lie. I know a vaccinated person who was in perfect health who died from Covid.
Either educate yourself or fuck off. Your lie is the slimy way rats get around being honest. I am vaccinated but it is clear to me that it is not a cure all. To say that only unhealthy vaccinated people die is a lie.
That vaccine has helped. No question. When listening to rats on television talk it is like it is Republicans only who are not taking the shot. Another lie. The NBA, 44% of the black population and many others who had covid or are worried about being pregnant or are pregnant etc. have chosen not to take the shot.
The state of Washington has approximately 7.61 million people. Number of vaccinations administered in the State of WA since 1/16/21 (The date of the first vax) 9.78 million
Number of covid deaths in the State of WA prior to any vaccinations: approx 3600
Number of covid deaths in the State of WA after vaccinations started: approx 3400
So, seems like we could blame the the fairly small number of unvaxxed magatards, (In King County it is currently less than 15%) or, like any sane person would do, we could point to the fact that the fucking vaccine is as worthless as John Donovan.
People are also much more free moving in 2021 than they were the first 9 months of the pandemic in 2020
The state of Washington has approximately 7.61 million people. Number of vaccinations administered in the State of WA since 1/16/21 (The date of the first vax) 9.78 million
Number of covid deaths in the State of WA prior to any vaccinations: approx 3600
Number of covid deaths in the State of WA after vaccinations started: approx 3400
So, seems like we could blame the the fairly small number of unvaxxed magatards, (In King County it is currently less than 15%) or, like any sane person would do, we could point to the fact that the fucking vaccine is as worthless as John Donovan.
That's a logic fail. More than 2 million Washingtonians over the age of 18 are not fully vaccinated now--and, of course, no one was fully vaccinated on 1/16/21. The vast majority of people weren't fully vaccinated for months after that.
The fully vaccinated aren't dying. They just aren't.
You can see where this all becomes a slippery slope all over right?
I agree. Should be just a straight vaccine mandate.
How does that make sense?
There are people that can’t get vaccinated … how do you suggest that works?
I’d ask about how you consider those that have religious (or related) objections … but I suspect you don’t have any pity on that
Moreover, there’s lots of data out there comparing what’s going on in Israel and Sweden …
We know the vaccinations help … but it would appear that the vaccine isn’t a long term solution per se
But the vaccine is a present solution to becoming seriously ill or dying. There are virtually no cases of fully vaccinated people dying from breakthrough infections unless their health was already precarious. If everyone would get vaccinated, we could get back to normal for now at least.
But at the same time, as someone vaccinated, why should I care about somebody else being vaccinated or not?
For at least the same reason we cared about antibiotics being over prescribed. Because the acts or omissions of others can increase the ability of the infective organism to mutate and become resistant to our treatments.
This is stupid on at least two levels
Over prescribing anti biotics is bad
The same applies to what we are seeing with this vax everyone approach
Resistant strains
H went to Central
See the Gert thread. It was all very obvious from the start.
The state of Washington has approximately 7.61 million people. Number of vaccinations administered in the State of WA since 1/16/21 (The date of the first vax) 9.78 million
Number of covid deaths in the State of WA prior to any vaccinations: approx 3600
Number of covid deaths in the State of WA after vaccinations started: approx 3400
So, seems like we could blame the the fairly small number of unvaxxed magatards, (In King County it is currently less than 15%) or, like any sane person would do, we could point to the fact that the fucking vaccine is as worthless as John Donovan.
That's a logic fail. More than 2 million Washingtonians over the age of 18 are not fully vaccinated now--and, of course, no one was fully vaccinated on 1/16/21. The vast majority of people weren't fully vaccinated for months after that.
The fully vaccinated aren't dying. They just aren't.
Neither are many other people. 7000 in a year and a half out of 6.91 million. (if you actually believe the numbers) Vast majority over retirement age. Stacked like cordwood I guess.
That means only 58% of Israel's total citizenry is fully vaccinated. Experts say that's not nearly high enough.
"We have a very large fraction of our population who are paying the price for a small fraction of the population who did not go to get the vaccine," said Eran Segal of the Weizmann Institute of Science, who advises the Israeli government on COVID-19.
Unvaccinated people helped fuel the rapid spread of the virus while the country remained open for business in recent months with few serious restrictions.
"That will lead to mass infection, which is exactly what we are seeing now," said Segal.
The state of Washington has approximately 7.61 million people. Number of vaccinations administered in the State of WA since 1/16/21 (The date of the first vax) 9.78 million
Number of covid deaths in the State of WA prior to any vaccinations: approx 3600
Number of covid deaths in the State of WA after vaccinations started: approx 3400
So, seems like we could blame the the fairly small number of unvaxxed magatards, (In King County it is currently less than 15%) or, like any sane person would do, we could point to the fact that the fucking vaccine is as worthless as John Donovan.
People are also much more free moving in 2021 than they were the first 9 months of the pandemic in 2020
They're also more vaccinated
More movement/interaction is going to create more spread
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Over prescribing anti biotics is bad
The same applies to what we are seeing with this vax everyone approach
Resistant strains
H went to Central
Number of vaccinations administered in the State of WA since 1/16/21 (The date of the first vax) 9.78 million
Number of covid deaths in the State of WA prior to any vaccinations: approx 3600
Number of covid deaths in the State of WA after vaccinations started: approx 3400
So, seems like we could blame the the fairly small number of unvaxxed magatards, (In King County it is currently less than 15%) or, like any sane person would do, we could point to the fact that the fucking vaccine is as worthless as John Donovan.
And everyone should be on a prophylactic of Vit C,D And Zinc just like the evolving science has now lead NIL to conclude this is a smart thing to do.
AND you should consider other methods, supplements, drugs, habits, behaviors, food, exercise,, etc, that you have discussed with your own personal care provider(s) to establish what is best for you, personally.
For some of you, this may or may not include repurposed FDA approved, widely used drugs with a known safety profile.
It sounds like most people just get the vaccine and cross their fingers.
And you should make your own personal choice(s) on how to proceed in this minefield.
People like dazzler have nothing to say about it.
Not well.
Either educate yourself or fuck off. Your lie is the slimy way rats get around being honest. I am vaccinated but it is clear to me that it is not a cure all. To say that only unhealthy vaccinated people die is a lie.
That vaccine has helped. No question. When listening to rats on television talk it is like it is Republicans only who are not taking the shot. Another lie. The NBA, 44% of the black population and many others who had covid or are worried about being pregnant or are pregnant etc. have chosen not to take the shot.
Rats and their lies are the devil.
The fully vaccinated aren't dying. They just aren't.
It's like the Democrats will do anything to destroy THIS economy.
That means only 58% of Israel's total citizenry is fully vaccinated. Experts say that's not nearly high enough.
"We have a very large fraction of our population who are paying the price for a small fraction of the population who did not go to get the vaccine," said Eran Segal of the Weizmann Institute of Science, who advises the Israeli government on COVID-19.
Unvaccinated people helped fuel the rapid spread of the virus while the country remained open for business in recent months with few serious restrictions.
"That will lead to mass infection, which is exactly what we are seeing now," said Segal.
We're not gonna take it......any more.
What you’re suggesting is a reach at best