Jimmy Lake. John Donovan. Bob Gregory.
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We are doogs. I did too. I thought, maybe he learned to not be an idiot, but I was wrong. Beyond the schemes, our players have no confidence.Doogles said:I'll admit, I gave Donovan more of a shot than most here coming into the season.
I saw an experienced OL, experienced RBs, best TE in nation, a QB that could avoid sacks and accurate within 20 (with hope to improve long ball), and speed speed speed outside.
Couple that with a good D and it was reasonable to think we could score points in various, balanced ways and control games.
What we've seen is a complete regression across the board.
OL is now the worst in conference, getting pushed around by FCS
RBs can't find a hole and the most experienced have yet to see a snap
Otton gets doubled/tripled every passing down
Morris can't avoid sacks and is inaccurate everywhere (biggest surprise)
WRs are hurt/struggle to get the ball
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Wasn't really meant to be funny. Jimmy's biggest advantage right now is that he is one of the very few African American HCs in football.DerekJohnson said:
this isn't funny or cleverBeerThirty said:
get Michael Jackson's bleach white skin? Right now being black is the only thing going for him.FireHisAssNOW said:
What does Jimmy need to do to prove his cluelessness?Edwin_Bambino said:I still just can’t fathom how Jimmy thought Jon Don was a good idea
With respect of course
You yourself posted about Mario Bailey, a beloved UW legend, basically pulling the race card in defense of Jimmy. Mario's actions aren't Jimmy's fault but it is happening. -
My comment was light years away from your comment.BeerThirty said:
Wasn't really meant to be funny. Jimmy's biggest advantage right now is that he is one of the very few African American HCs in football.DerekJohnson said:
this isn't funny or cleverBeerThirty said:
get Michael Jackson's bleach white skin? Right now being black is the only thing going for him.FireHisAssNOW said:
What does Jimmy need to do to prove his cluelessness?Edwin_Bambino said:I still just can’t fathom how Jimmy thought Jon Don was a good idea
With respect of course
You yourself posted about Mario Bailey, a beloved UW legend, basically pulling the race card in defense of Jimmy. Mario's actions aren't Jimmy's fault but it is happening. -
Ok. How's the view from the high horse?DerekJohnson said:
My comment was light years away from your comment.BeerThirty said:
Wasn't really meant to be funny. Jimmy's biggest advantage right now is that he is one of the very few African American HCs in football.DerekJohnson said:
this isn't funny or cleverBeerThirty said:
get Michael Jackson's bleach white skin? Right now being black is the only thing going for him.FireHisAssNOW said:
What does Jimmy need to do to prove his cluelessness?Edwin_Bambino said:I still just can’t fathom how Jimmy thought Jon Don was a good idea
With respect of course
You yourself posted about Mario Bailey, a beloved UW legend, basically pulling the race card in defense of Jimmy. Mario's actions aren't Jimmy's fault but it is happening. -
Your comment was in the same ballpark as making a minstrel reference. It was not coming from a good place.BeerThirty said:
Ok. How's the view from the high horse?DerekJohnson said:
My comment was light years away from your comment.BeerThirty said:
Wasn't really meant to be funny. Jimmy's biggest advantage right now is that he is one of the very few African American HCs in football.DerekJohnson said:
this isn't funny or cleverBeerThirty said:
get Michael Jackson's bleach white skin? Right now being black is the only thing going for him.FireHisAssNOW said:
What does Jimmy need to do to prove his cluelessness?Edwin_Bambino said:I still just can’t fathom how Jimmy thought Jon Don was a good idea
With respect of course
You yourself posted about Mario Bailey, a beloved UW legend, basically pulling the race card in defense of Jimmy. Mario's actions aren't Jimmy's fault but it is happening. -
Ok. Again, your opinion but duly noted.
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@RoadTrip is triggered, shaking, and about to vomit. Fuck off back to the pump n dump and leave the football talk to us.
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My prediction is Lake and Donovan have the same agent or some other business partner. The other is that Jimmy was so enamored with the NFL that he talked to Nathaniel Hacket or whoever was Jacksonville‘s OC and they said Donovan was great at watching film and was a great asset to their shitty teams and Jimmy bought it.DerekJohnson said:
I don't know if he thought it was a good idea, but he clearly didn't know what else to do.Edwin_Bambino said:This is the last game I will be traveling to for a long time.
At this point lose to AK state and blow this shit up. I still just can’t fathom how Jimmy thought Jon Don was a good idea, it’s fucking crazy.
Lake botched the hire, but he’s been coaching for 20+ years. He knows a lot of other coaches. In hindsight, Kellen Moore as our OC would have been a great get and even better, we wouldn’t even know the John Donovan existed. -
I'm not convinced he would've looked that much better if Jimmy's mandate is to run HB dive on every first and second down. Donovan is terrible, don't twist, but I think he's severely handicapped by Jimmy's demands for his offense.RoadDawg55 said:
My prediction is Lake and Donovan have the same agent or some other business partner. The other is that Jimmy was so enamored with the NFL that he talked to Nathaniel Hacket or whoever was Jacksonville‘s OC and they said Donovan was great at watching film and was a great asset to their shitty teams and Jimmy bought it.DerekJohnson said:
I don't know if he thought it was a good idea, but he clearly didn't know what else to do.Edwin_Bambino said:This is the last game I will be traveling to for a long time.
At this point lose to AK state and blow this shit up. I still just can’t fathom how Jimmy thought Jon Don was a good idea, it’s fucking crazy.
Lake botched the hire, but he’s been coaching for 20+ years. He knows a lot of other coaches. In hindsight, Kellen Moore as our OC would have been a great get and even better, we wouldn’t even know the John Donovan existed. -
And here's the canary in the coal mine. We went all in on Moore as OC and when he turned us down along with the switch from Pete to Jimmy had no plan B. Lake also decided he wanted to run Stanford Offense and if you came here, that was what you are going to run.insinceredawg said:
I'm not convinced he would've looked that much better if Jimmy's mandate is to run HB dive on every first and second down. Donovan is terrible, don't twist, but I think he's severely handicapped by Jimmy's demands for his offense.RoadDawg55 said:
My prediction is Lake and Donovan have the same agent or some other business partner. The other is that Jimmy was so enamored with the NFL that he talked to Nathaniel Hacket or whoever was Jacksonville‘s OC and they said Donovan was great at watching film and was a great asset to their shitty teams and Jimmy bought it.DerekJohnson said:
I don't know if he thought it was a good idea, but he clearly didn't know what else to do.Edwin_Bambino said:This is the last game I will be traveling to for a long time.
At this point lose to AK state and blow this shit up. I still just can’t fathom how Jimmy thought Jon Don was a good idea, it’s fucking crazy.
Lake botched the hire, but he’s been coaching for 20+ years. He knows a lot of other coaches. In hindsight, Kellen Moore as our OC would have been a great get and even better, we wouldn’t even know the John Donovan existed.
After there were no takers, he was left to go after the Asst Running Back Coach from Jacksonville who for $500k-$550k MORE MORE MORE than he was making (and with a additional year extra on the contract) said hell yeah I will call 3 kneel downs and punt for you coach if you want me to.
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If Donovan didn’t have bottom 10% offenses in CFB at Penn State, then I would place more blame on Jimmy.insinceredawg said:
I'm not convinced he would've looked that much better if Jimmy's mandate is to run HB dive on every first and second down. Donovan is terrible, don't twist, but I think he's severely handicapped by Jimmy's demands for his offense.RoadDawg55 said:
My prediction is Lake and Donovan have the same agent or some other business partner. The other is that Jimmy was so enamored with the NFL that he talked to Nathaniel Hacket or whoever was Jacksonville‘s OC and they said Donovan was great at watching film and was a great asset to their shitty teams and Jimmy bought it.DerekJohnson said:
I don't know if he thought it was a good idea, but he clearly didn't know what else to do.Edwin_Bambino said:This is the last game I will be traveling to for a long time.
At this point lose to AK state and blow this shit up. I still just can’t fathom how Jimmy thought Jon Don was a good idea, it’s fucking crazy.
Lake botched the hire, but he’s been coaching for 20+ years. He knows a lot of other coaches. In hindsight, Kellen Moore as our OC would have been a great get and even better, we wouldn’t even know the John Donovan existed.
Jimmy does want to run the ball, but we threw it 46 times against Montana and 37 vs Michigan. We are bad at passing and even worse at running.
I have no problem with running the ball. Every run doesn’t need to be right up the gut tho. Run it off tackle, outside zone, a toss sweep, a counter here and there. McGrew needs to play and not playing your best RB (even tho he’s an average PAC 12 RB) is the type of stuff that kills the culture.
The OL’s drastic regression has me thinking that the problems are deeper than John Donovan/Jimmy Lake’s shitty, archaic schemes. -
What goes deeper than the head coach and oc when evaluating an offensive line? Did they not lift weights this off season or something?RoadDawg55 said:
If Donovan didn’t have bottom 10% offenses in CFB at Penn State, then I would place more blame on Jimmy.insinceredawg said:
I'm not convinced he would've looked that much better if Jimmy's mandate is to run HB dive on every first and second down. Donovan is terrible, don't twist, but I think he's severely handicapped by Jimmy's demands for his offense.RoadDawg55 said:
My prediction is Lake and Donovan have the same agent or some other business partner. The other is that Jimmy was so enamored with the NFL that he talked to Nathaniel Hacket or whoever was Jacksonville‘s OC and they said Donovan was great at watching film and was a great asset to their shitty teams and Jimmy bought it.DerekJohnson said:
I don't know if he thought it was a good idea, but he clearly didn't know what else to do.Edwin_Bambino said:This is the last game I will be traveling to for a long time.
At this point lose to AK state and blow this shit up. I still just can’t fathom how Jimmy thought Jon Don was a good idea, it’s fucking crazy.
Lake botched the hire, but he’s been coaching for 20+ years. He knows a lot of other coaches. In hindsight, Kellen Moore as our OC would have been a great get and even better, we wouldn’t even know the John Donovan existed.
Jimmy does want to run the ball, but we threw it 46 times against Montana and 37 vs Michigan. We are bad at passing and even worse at running.
I have no problem with running the ball. Every run doesn’t need to be right up the gut tho. Run it off tackle, outside zone, a toss sweep, a counter here and there. McGrew needs to play and not playing your best RB (even tho he’s an average PAC 12 RB) is the type of stuff that kills the culture.
The OL’s drastic regression has me thinking that the problems are deeper than John Donovan/Jimmy Lake’s shitty, archaic schemes. -
Well it's a moot point now but I never thought it was realistic that Moore would come here. His agent may have just played Jimmy to get him more leverage with the Cowboys. The Moore talk started after CP had already stepped down so his only connection was to some of the remaining assistants. It also seemed like a huge demotion to go from OC of the most famous team in the NFL to working for a first time head coach at an average P5 program. And as I had said earlier, even in the scenario where he did take the job he would've been gone as soon as BSU came calling with the HC opening.
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Dak and the offense are going to pile up the stats this year while going 9-8 and winning the NFC Least. They will lose in Round 1. Repeat in 2022 and McCarthy is out and Wonderboy Moore gets promoted to HC. He is not going to coach here, Boise, or any other college team. Jerry wants him to be the next HC unless the offense completely collapses.insinceredawg said:Well it's a moot point now but I never thought it was realistic that Moore would come here. His agent may have just played Jimmy to get him more leverage with the Cowboys. The Moore talk started after CP had already stepped down so his only connection was to some of the remaining assistants. It also seemed like a huge demotion to go from OC of the most famous team in the NFL to working for a first time head coach at an average P5 program. And as I had said earlier, even in the scenario where he did take the job he would've been gone as soon as BSU came calling with the HC opening.
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insinceredawg said:
Well it's a moot point now but I never thought it was realistic that Moore would come here. His agent may have just played Jimmy to get him more leverage with the Cowboys. The Moore talk started after CP had already stepped down so his only connection was to some of the remaining assistants. It also seemed like a huge demotion to go from OC of the most famous team in the NFL to working for a first time head coach at an average P5 program. And as I had said earlier, even in the scenario where he did take the job he would've been gone as soon as BSU came calling with the HC opening.
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My point remains, even if he took the UW OC job he would've surely bolted for the Boise HC job last fall after Harsin went to Auburn. He would've built a better foundation than what we have right now though.hardhat said:insinceredawg said:Well it's a moot point now but I never thought it was realistic that Moore would come here. His agent may have just played Jimmy to get him more leverage with the Cowboys. The Moore talk started after CP had already stepped down so his only connection was to some of the remaining assistants. It also seemed like a huge demotion to go from OC of the most famous team in the NFL to working for a first time head coach at an average P5 program. And as I had said earlier, even in the scenario where he did take the job he would've been gone as soon as BSU came calling with the HC opening.
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Agree, doesn't disprove anything you said.insinceredawg said:
My point remains, even if he took the UW OC job he would've surely bolted for the Boise HC job last fall after Harsin went to Auburn. He would've built a better foundation than what we have right now though.hardhat said:insinceredawg said:Well it's a moot point now but I never thought it was realistic that Moore would come here. His agent may have just played Jimmy to get him more leverage with the Cowboys. The Moore talk started after CP had already stepped down so his only connection was to some of the remaining assistants. It also seemed like a huge demotion to go from OC of the most famous team in the NFL to working for a first time head coach at an average P5 program. And as I had said earlier, even in the scenario where he did take the job he would've been gone as soon as BSU came calling with the HC opening.
I just didn't ever think he was close to coming here at all. At the least, maybe it shows he had wise counsel and didn't want to join the train wreck. -
I'll take Moore as the HC yesterday. Beggars can't be choosers.insinceredawg said:
My point remains, even if he took the UW OC job he would've surely bolted for the Boise HC job last fall after Harsin went to Auburn. He would've built a better foundation than what we have right now though.hardhat said:insinceredawg said:Well it's a moot point now but I never thought it was realistic that Moore would come here. His agent may have just played Jimmy to get him more leverage with the Cowboys. The Moore talk started after CP had already stepped down so his only connection was to some of the remaining assistants. It also seemed like a huge demotion to go from OC of the most famous team in the NFL to working for a first time head coach at an average P5 program. And as I had said earlier, even in the scenario where he did take the job he would've been gone as soon as BSU came calling with the HC opening.
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The big loser in this (besides the fans) is Sam Huard. When he committed he thought he'd be playing for a legendary HOF coach and if Moore had become CP's OC, a rising star in the coaching ranks who also happened to be an undersized lefty as his mentor. Instead he's being guided by 2 former college DBs who are completely clueless on how to run a modern college offense. If I'm Damon and Brock I would be putting a ton of pressure on the AD to make a change ASAP or Sam's hitting the portal.
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This is where I'm at. If the revolution is to have a leader it must be Damon Huard. Sam leaving the program, as a 5 star legacy, would absolutely turn the Press against UW. That would be a huge embarrassment to the AD, bigger than canning Jimmy's ass.insinceredawg said:The big loser in this (besides the fans) is Sam Huard. When he committed he thought he'd be playing for a legendary HOF coach and if Moore had become CP's OC, a rising star in the coaching ranks who also happened to be an undersized lefty as his mentor. Instead he's being guided by 2 former college DBs who are completely clueless on how to run a modern college offense. If I'm Damon and Brock I would be putting a ton of pressure on the AD to make a change ASAP or Sam's hitting the portal.
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Huard could have been here in spring too
He's not the savior
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How about a screen or swing pass to Cam Davis or McGrew? Get those guys in space. Same with Giles. Even if they ran it and then used as a decoy, it’d get that safety/LB out of the fucking box.RoadDawg55 said:
If Donovan didn’t have bottom 10% offenses in CFB at Penn State, then I would place more blame on Jimmy.insinceredawg said:
I'm not convinced he would've looked that much better if Jimmy's mandate is to run HB dive on every first and second down. Donovan is terrible, don't twist, but I think he's severely handicapped by Jimmy's demands for his offense.RoadDawg55 said:
My prediction is Lake and Donovan have the same agent or some other business partner. The other is that Jimmy was so enamored with the NFL that he talked to Nathaniel Hacket or whoever was Jacksonville‘s OC and they said Donovan was great at watching film and was a great asset to their shitty teams and Jimmy bought it.DerekJohnson said:
I don't know if he thought it was a good idea, but he clearly didn't know what else to do.Edwin_Bambino said:This is the last game I will be traveling to for a long time.
At this point lose to AK state and blow this shit up. I still just can’t fathom how Jimmy thought Jon Don was a good idea, it’s fucking crazy.
Lake botched the hire, but he’s been coaching for 20+ years. He knows a lot of other coaches. In hindsight, Kellen Moore as our OC would have been a great get and even better, we wouldn’t even know the John Donovan existed.
Jimmy does want to run the ball, but we threw it 46 times against Montana and 37 vs Michigan. We are bad at passing and even worse at running.
I have no problem with running the ball. Every run doesn’t need to be right up the gut tho. Run it off tackle, outside zone, a toss sweep, a counter here and there. McGrew needs to play and not playing your best RB (even tho he’s an average PAC 12 RB) is the type of stuff that kills the culture.
The OL’s drastic regression has me thinking that the problems are deeper than John Donovan/Jimmy Lake’s shitty, archaic schemes. -
Savior? Definitely not. But with a halfway decent coach he has the potential to be great. With Jimmy his career will be a guaranteed dead-end.RaceBannon said:Huard could have been here in spring too
He's not the savior
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This. He should have been all-in on Moorehead, but UW is pussyville.Swaye said:
I think, based on no evidence, that he actually knew what to do, but he just could not get anyone to come here. So we settled for the ball boy instead of an actual coach.DerekJohnson said:
I don't know if he thought it was a good idea, but he clearly didn't know what else to do.Edwin_Bambino said:This is the last game I will be traveling to for a long time.
At this point lose to AK state and blow this shit up. I still just can’t fathom how Jimmy thought Jon Don was a good idea, it’s fucking crazy.
Now our should have been hire is crushing Ohio State in the Shoe, and we can look forward to Oregon fucking our women at mid-field after they get done butt fucking our Team.
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One fucking comment from a former player, and not even a real pointed one, doesn't warrant statements like that. Wjo gives a fuck what Bailey thinks when it comes down to it? Not me. He doesn't represent anything or anyone.BeerThirty said:
Wasn't really meant to be funny. Jimmy's biggest advantage right now is that he is one of the very few African American HCs in football.DerekJohnson said:
this isn't funny or cleverBeerThirty said:
get Michael Jackson's bleach white skin? Right now being black is the only thing going for him.FireHisAssNOW said:
What does Jimmy need to do to prove his cluelessness?Edwin_Bambino said:I still just can’t fathom how Jimmy thought Jon Don was a good idea
With respect of course
You yourself posted about Mario Bailey, a beloved UW legend, basically pulling the race card in defense of Jimmy. Mario's actions aren't Jimmy's fault but it is happening.
Honestly some of you guys are over eager to bring the race issue into this. You're more eager than the folks who you're predicting it from. What does that say?
