Jimmy Lake. John Donovan. Bob Gregory.
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If Donovan didn’t have bottom 10% offenses in CFB at Penn State, then I would place more blame on Jimmy.insinceredawg said:
I'm not convinced he would've looked that much better if Jimmy's mandate is to run HB dive on every first and second down. Donovan is terrible, don't twist, but I think he's severely handicapped by Jimmy's demands for his offense.RoadDawg55 said:
My prediction is Lake and Donovan have the same agent or some other business partner. The other is that Jimmy was so enamored with the NFL that he talked to Nathaniel Hacket or whoever was Jacksonville‘s OC and they said Donovan was great at watching film and was a great asset to their shitty teams and Jimmy bought it.DerekJohnson said:
I don't know if he thought it was a good idea, but he clearly didn't know what else to do.Edwin_Bambino said:This is the last game I will be traveling to for a long time.
At this point lose to AK state and blow this shit up. I still just can’t fathom how Jimmy thought Jon Don was a good idea, it’s fucking crazy.
Lake botched the hire, but he’s been coaching for 20+ years. He knows a lot of other coaches. In hindsight, Kellen Moore as our OC would have been a great get and even better, we wouldn’t even know the John Donovan existed.
Jimmy does want to run the ball, but we threw it 46 times against Montana and 37 vs Michigan. We are bad at passing and even worse at running.
I have no problem with running the ball. Every run doesn’t need to be right up the gut tho. Run it off tackle, outside zone, a toss sweep, a counter here and there. McGrew needs to play and not playing your best RB (even tho he’s an average PAC 12 RB) is the type of stuff that kills the culture.
The OL’s drastic regression has me thinking that the problems are deeper than John Donovan/Jimmy Lake’s shitty, archaic schemes. -
What goes deeper than the head coach and oc when evaluating an offensive line? Did they not lift weights this off season or something?RoadDawg55 said:
If Donovan didn’t have bottom 10% offenses in CFB at Penn State, then I would place more blame on Jimmy.insinceredawg said:
I'm not convinced he would've looked that much better if Jimmy's mandate is to run HB dive on every first and second down. Donovan is terrible, don't twist, but I think he's severely handicapped by Jimmy's demands for his offense.RoadDawg55 said:
My prediction is Lake and Donovan have the same agent or some other business partner. The other is that Jimmy was so enamored with the NFL that he talked to Nathaniel Hacket or whoever was Jacksonville‘s OC and they said Donovan was great at watching film and was a great asset to their shitty teams and Jimmy bought it.DerekJohnson said:
I don't know if he thought it was a good idea, but he clearly didn't know what else to do.Edwin_Bambino said:This is the last game I will be traveling to for a long time.
At this point lose to AK state and blow this shit up. I still just can’t fathom how Jimmy thought Jon Don was a good idea, it’s fucking crazy.
Lake botched the hire, but he’s been coaching for 20+ years. He knows a lot of other coaches. In hindsight, Kellen Moore as our OC would have been a great get and even better, we wouldn’t even know the John Donovan existed.
Jimmy does want to run the ball, but we threw it 46 times against Montana and 37 vs Michigan. We are bad at passing and even worse at running.
I have no problem with running the ball. Every run doesn’t need to be right up the gut tho. Run it off tackle, outside zone, a toss sweep, a counter here and there. McGrew needs to play and not playing your best RB (even tho he’s an average PAC 12 RB) is the type of stuff that kills the culture.
The OL’s drastic regression has me thinking that the problems are deeper than John Donovan/Jimmy Lake’s shitty, archaic schemes. -
Well it's a moot point now but I never thought it was realistic that Moore would come here. His agent may have just played Jimmy to get him more leverage with the Cowboys. The Moore talk started after CP had already stepped down so his only connection was to some of the remaining assistants. It also seemed like a huge demotion to go from OC of the most famous team in the NFL to working for a first time head coach at an average P5 program. And as I had said earlier, even in the scenario where he did take the job he would've been gone as soon as BSU came calling with the HC opening.
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Dak and the offense are going to pile up the stats this year while going 9-8 and winning the NFC Least. They will lose in Round 1. Repeat in 2022 and McCarthy is out and Wonderboy Moore gets promoted to HC. He is not going to coach here, Boise, or any other college team. Jerry wants him to be the next HC unless the offense completely collapses.insinceredawg said:Well it's a moot point now but I never thought it was realistic that Moore would come here. His agent may have just played Jimmy to get him more leverage with the Cowboys. The Moore talk started after CP had already stepped down so his only connection was to some of the remaining assistants. It also seemed like a huge demotion to go from OC of the most famous team in the NFL to working for a first time head coach at an average P5 program. And as I had said earlier, even in the scenario where he did take the job he would've been gone as soon as BSU came calling with the HC opening.
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insinceredawg said:
Well it's a moot point now but I never thought it was realistic that Moore would come here. His agent may have just played Jimmy to get him more leverage with the Cowboys. The Moore talk started after CP had already stepped down so his only connection was to some of the remaining assistants. It also seemed like a huge demotion to go from OC of the most famous team in the NFL to working for a first time head coach at an average P5 program. And as I had said earlier, even in the scenario where he did take the job he would've been gone as soon as BSU came calling with the HC opening.
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My point remains, even if he took the UW OC job he would've surely bolted for the Boise HC job last fall after Harsin went to Auburn. He would've built a better foundation than what we have right now though.hardhat said:insinceredawg said:Well it's a moot point now but I never thought it was realistic that Moore would come here. His agent may have just played Jimmy to get him more leverage with the Cowboys. The Moore talk started after CP had already stepped down so his only connection was to some of the remaining assistants. It also seemed like a huge demotion to go from OC of the most famous team in the NFL to working for a first time head coach at an average P5 program. And as I had said earlier, even in the scenario where he did take the job he would've been gone as soon as BSU came calling with the HC opening.
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Agree, doesn't disprove anything you said.insinceredawg said:
My point remains, even if he took the UW OC job he would've surely bolted for the Boise HC job last fall after Harsin went to Auburn. He would've built a better foundation than what we have right now though.hardhat said:insinceredawg said:Well it's a moot point now but I never thought it was realistic that Moore would come here. His agent may have just played Jimmy to get him more leverage with the Cowboys. The Moore talk started after CP had already stepped down so his only connection was to some of the remaining assistants. It also seemed like a huge demotion to go from OC of the most famous team in the NFL to working for a first time head coach at an average P5 program. And as I had said earlier, even in the scenario where he did take the job he would've been gone as soon as BSU came calling with the HC opening.
I just didn't ever think he was close to coming here at all. At the least, maybe it shows he had wise counsel and didn't want to join the train wreck. -
I'll take Moore as the HC yesterday. Beggars can't be choosers.insinceredawg said:
My point remains, even if he took the UW OC job he would've surely bolted for the Boise HC job last fall after Harsin went to Auburn. He would've built a better foundation than what we have right now though.hardhat said:insinceredawg said:Well it's a moot point now but I never thought it was realistic that Moore would come here. His agent may have just played Jimmy to get him more leverage with the Cowboys. The Moore talk started after CP had already stepped down so his only connection was to some of the remaining assistants. It also seemed like a huge demotion to go from OC of the most famous team in the NFL to working for a first time head coach at an average P5 program. And as I had said earlier, even in the scenario where he did take the job he would've been gone as soon as BSU came calling with the HC opening.
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The big loser in this (besides the fans) is Sam Huard. When he committed he thought he'd be playing for a legendary HOF coach and if Moore had become CP's OC, a rising star in the coaching ranks who also happened to be an undersized lefty as his mentor. Instead he's being guided by 2 former college DBs who are completely clueless on how to run a modern college offense. If I'm Damon and Brock I would be putting a ton of pressure on the AD to make a change ASAP or Sam's hitting the portal.
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This is where I'm at. If the revolution is to have a leader it must be Damon Huard. Sam leaving the program, as a 5 star legacy, would absolutely turn the Press against UW. That would be a huge embarrassment to the AD, bigger than canning Jimmy's ass.insinceredawg said:The big loser in this (besides the fans) is Sam Huard. When he committed he thought he'd be playing for a legendary HOF coach and if Moore had become CP's OC, a rising star in the coaching ranks who also happened to be an undersized lefty as his mentor. Instead he's being guided by 2 former college DBs who are completely clueless on how to run a modern college offense. If I'm Damon and Brock I would be putting a ton of pressure on the AD to make a change ASAP or Sam's hitting the portal.
