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  • CFetters_Nacho_Lover
    CFetters_Nacho_Lover Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 32,229 Founders Club
    PostGameOrangeSlices said:

    BeerThirty said:

    dnc said:

    James Lake has taken a program that Pete elevated to the first or second spot in recruiting in the conference and turned it into a fucking safety school. We have had 13, mostly midtier players commit to our coaches to sign with them in December. Of those, 5 have decommitted and 4 have committed elsewhere already (Texas, Oregon, Stanford, Notre Dame).

    Kids are locking in their spot with us to be safe and moving to greener pastures.

    This isn't about one position or one struggling assistant coach, these are commits from both sides of the ball and four different position groups.

    We have leveled the fuck down.

    And there's no telling how many more levels we will go.

    @PostGameOrangeSlices says LIPO......
    It's a better take than the fire everyone recrooting board nonsense

    Fire Harris now. Fire everyone if we dont win at least 9 games.

    Hth
    Only setting the bar at 9 wins? Doog.
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  • PostGameOrangeSlices
    PostGameOrangeSlices Member Posts: 27,145
    CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:

    PostGameOrangeSlices said:

    BeerThirty said:

    dnc said:

    James Lake has taken a program that Pete elevated to the first or second spot in recruiting in the conference and turned it into a fucking safety school. We have had 13, mostly midtier players commit to our coaches to sign with them in December. Of those, 5 have decommitted and 4 have committed elsewhere already (Texas, Oregon, Stanford, Notre Dame).

    Kids are locking in their spot with us to be safe and moving to greener pastures.

    This isn't about one position or one struggling assistant coach, these are commits from both sides of the ball and four different position groups.

    We have leveled the fuck down.

    And there's no telling how many more levels we will go.

    @PostGameOrangeSlices says LIPO......
    It's a better take than the fire everyone recrooting board nonsense

    Fire Harris now. Fire everyone if we dont win at least 9 games.

    Hth
    Only setting the bar at 9 wins? Doog.
    If we go 9-3 it makes no sense to fire Jimmy. He would deserve a make or break year 3.

    You guys are fucking insane if you think otherwise.
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  • Baseman
    Baseman Member Posts: 12,369
    edited July 2021
    PostGameOrangeSlices said:

    CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:

    PostGameOrangeSlices said:

    BeerThirty said:

    dnc said:

    James Lake has taken a program that Pete elevated to the first or second spot in recruiting in the conference and turned it into a fucking safety school. We have had 13, mostly midtier players commit to our coaches to sign with them in December. Of those, 5 have decommitted and 4 have committed elsewhere already (Texas, Oregon, Stanford, Notre Dame).

    Kids are locking in their spot with us to be safe and moving to greener pastures.

    This isn't about one position or one struggling assistant coach, these are commits from both sides of the ball and four different position groups.

    We have leveled the fuck down.

    And there's no telling how many more levels we will go.

    @PostGameOrangeSlices says LIPO......
    It's a better take than the fire everyone recrooting board nonsense

    Fire Harris now. Fire everyone if we dont win at least 9 games.

    Hth
    Only setting the bar at 9 wins? Doog.
    If we go 9-3 it makes no sense to fire Jimmy. He would deserve a make or break year 3.

    You guys are fucking insane if you think otherwise.
    Jimmy is here as long as he wants to stay, so long as he doesn't run afoul of the law and the cum. GPA remains above 3.

    Jen had no problem firing Romar but she picked Jimmy, and like Hop, Jimmy is her guy and she's got all her guys in there and they are here to stay.

    Hope Jimmy with Pete's guys > Hop with Romar's guys and that Jimmy>Hop on getting new and better guys.
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  • Ice_Holmvik
    Ice_Holmvik Member Posts: 2,912
    edited July 2021
    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    dnc said:

    Quietcowskee said:

    greenblood said:

    Welcome to Washington's version of the Helfrich years. You'll have a good season this year riding with Pete's guys, then a small decline in 2023, with an epic collapse in 2024. The question then becomes, does the administration have the balls to pull the plug on Lake after year four, or will they give him year five?

    Close, but instead of an “epic collapse,” the portal will enable a nice 7 win sark into eternity.
    And seven wins keeps him employed forever
    Does it get him to the real goal in the League (iltcit)? Honest question, I don’t know how that works.
    Well Cliff Kingsbury was hired by Arizona
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  • tvoie
    tvoie Member Posts: 996
    This staff can’t stay out of their own way. Recruiting this season and last have been terrible and there seems to be no attempts to fix any of the issues. Jimmy appears to lack a closer’s mentality.
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  • thechatch
    thechatch Member Posts: 7,198
    Unless Jimmy gets caught offering dead hookers to croots by the NCAA, there is no way UW fires him.

    He can coast ten years at U-Dub with 7 and 8 win seasons and occasional 9 win campaign for fucking ever….

    If he ever wins ten, he’ll get a lifetime contract. Lmao at his seat getting hot if he doesn’t win 9 next year.

    Please.
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,671 Swaye's Wigwam
    edited July 2021
    thechatch said:

    Unless Jimmy gets caught offering dead hookers to croots by the NCAA, there is no way UW fires him.

    He can coast ten years at U-Dub with 7 and 8 win seasons and occasional 9 win campaign for fucking ever….

    If he ever wins ten, he’ll get a lifetime contract. Lmao at his seat getting hot if he doesn’t win 9 next year.

    Please.

    This season and next will be hard to completely botch. He'll win 9-10 and that will get an extension.

    Thsts not permanent though. The Ty approach to recruiting that he's taking is going to catch up. He's a way better coach so there's no 0-12 coming, but hovering around .500 and struggling to make pre Christmas bowl games, none of which are likely to exist for much longer, isn't going to keep him employed forever.
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  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,559
    edited July 2021
    Neighbor2972 said:

    chuck said:

    thechatch said:

    Unless Jimmy gets caught offering dead hookers to croots by the NCAA, there is no way UW fires him.

    He can coast ten years at U-Dub with 7 and 8 win seasons and occasional 9 win campaign for fucking ever….

    If he ever wins ten, he’ll get a lifetime contract. Lmao at his seat getting hot if he doesn’t win 9 next year.

    Please.

    This season and next will be hard to completely botch. He'll win 9-10 and that will get an extension.

    Thats not permanent though. The Ty approach to recruiting that he's taking is going to catch up. He's a way better coach so there's no 0-12 coming, but hovering around .500 and struggling to make pre Christmas bowl games, none of which are likely to exist for much longer, isn't going to keep him employed forever.
    Jimmy's recruiting is annoying but the 3*s he's taking are much better than some of the guys Sark and Ty took. Going around .500 could get him fired, but my concern is he's decent enough to get stuck in the 7-5/8-4 purgatory.

    I don't like the Sark comparisons because they aren't that alike as coaches, but I think we'll see similar results once Pete's players graduate.
    That's the real problem. He might be just good enough that he can swim in mediocrity. This is kind of like a NBA franchise in the 90's and early 2000's that hovered around the 5th-8th seed playoff picture. Good enough to compete but not good enough to be elite, and not bad enough to get a franchise changing lottery pick (or in UW's case, a coaching change). This is honestly the most frustrating place to be.
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  • AtomicDawg
    AtomicDawg Member Posts: 7,327
    RoadDawg55 said:

    Neighbor2972 said:

    chuck said:

    thechatch said:

    Unless Jimmy gets caught offering dead hookers to croots by the NCAA, there is no way UW fires him.

    He can coast ten years at U-Dub with 7 and 8 win seasons and occasional 9 win campaign for fucking ever….

    If he ever wins ten, he’ll get a lifetime contract. Lmao at his seat getting hot if he doesn’t win 9 next year.

    Please.

    This season and next will be hard to completely botch. He'll win 9-10 and that will get an extension.

    Thats not permanent though. The Ty approach to recruiting that he's taking is going to catch up. He's a way better coach so there's no 0-12 coming, but hovering around .500 and struggling to make pre Christmas bowl games, none of which are likely to exist for much longer, isn't going to keep him employed forever.
    Jimmy's recruiting is annoying but the 3*s he's taking are much better than some of the guys Sark and Ty took. Going around .500 could get him fired, but my concern is he's decent enough to get stuck in the 7-5/8-4 purgatory.

    I don't like the Sark comparisons because they aren't that alike as coaches, but I think we'll see similar results once Pete's players graduate.
    Bad recruiting will catch up to us in a few years. That said if we win now, it will start to improve.
    He needs to do both. But he won’t. We are not going to have a top 5 class every year like some tbsr’s want but given the state of the program he inherited they should be top 3 in the conference year in and year out. That just means your are getting a lot of your targets. Right now they are horrible at this.

    He can coach better than some in the conference so hopefully he gets his 10 wins the next couple of years and moves on. The admin and fanbase will never put pressure on him.
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,671 Swaye's Wigwam
    RoadDawg55 said:

    Neighbor2972 said:

    chuck said:

    thechatch said:

    Unless Jimmy gets caught offering dead hookers to croots by the NCAA, there is no way UW fires him.

    He can coast ten years at U-Dub with 7 and 8 win seasons and occasional 9 win campaign for fucking ever….

    If he ever wins ten, he’ll get a lifetime contract. Lmao at his seat getting hot if he doesn’t win 9 next year.

    Please.

    This season and next will be hard to completely botch. He'll win 9-10 and that will get an extension.

    Thats not permanent though. The Ty approach to recruiting that he's taking is going to catch up. He's a way better coach so there's no 0-12 coming, but hovering around .500 and struggling to make pre Christmas bowl games, none of which are likely to exist for much longer, isn't going to keep him employed forever.
    Jimmy's recruiting is annoying but the 3*s he's taking are much better than some of the guys Sark and Ty took. Going around .500 could get him fired, but my concern is he's decent enough to get stuck in the 7-5/8-4 purgatory.

    I don't like the Sark comparisons because they aren't that alike as coaches, but I think we'll see similar results once Pete's players graduate.
    Bad recruiting will catch up to us in a few years. That said if we win now, it will start to improve.
    It's hard for me to assume recruiting will improve much with anything less than a natty or quookish natty lite (close loss). Nobody is coming to UW who sees the flashing $$ signs that most of the SEC, Texas, Clemson and tOSU will be flashing. The nation's best coach is already advertising it..."come to bammer, where most of the players take a pay cut on draft day".
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  • Canadawg
    Canadawg Member Posts: 5,263
    I haven't looked into it but do most first year coaches have a dip in recruiting? I would expect so
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    Canadawg said:

    I haven't looked into it but do most first year coaches have a dip in recruiting? I would expect so

    This isn't a dip it's a crater.
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,671 Swaye's Wigwam
    Canadawg said:

    I haven't looked into it but do most first year coaches have a dip in recruiting? I would expect so

    No, I don't think so. It depends on how th transition is handled of course, but even that can be overcome. Pete took over very late following a staff that hadn't recruited in months. He still put together a class better than Sark's best at UW.

    I've seen other coaches creat an immediate bump. Tedford at Cal is the first one to come to mind. I dont know how the stats shake out but, in higher profile cases and a few lower profile ones at least (like Tedford), recruiting has immediately improved.
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  • AtomicDawg
    AtomicDawg Member Posts: 7,327
    Canadawg said:

    I haven't looked into it but do most first year coaches have a dip in recruiting? I would expect so

    If the program is floundering maybe. They had a mediocre year after 3 years of performing near the top of the conference in w/l. So no it should not nosedive like this. If they win 10 games and a ny6 bowl maybe they close strong but not very confident.
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  • Canadawg
    Canadawg Member Posts: 5,263
    Haha fair points all. Trying to make sense of Jimmy. seems like he would be a naturally good recruiter as a HC it's really bizarre. I'm guessing as loyal as he is to his assists he would move on fast if it looks bad on him weather or not his job is at stake
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