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MikeDamone
MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
edited July 2014 in Tug Tavern
You're for prohibition of drugs and against immigration on the southern border. Please refute:

bastiat.mises.org/2014/07/prohibition-not-appetite-is-the-problem/

online.wsj.com/articles/mary-ogrady-what-really-drove-the-children-north-1405892801
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  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    edited July 2014
    I posted a comment a few days ago indicating I would not be against the temporary decriminalization of small amounts of harder drugs like heroin in order to see if we get the kind of results that Portugal has. I'm against outright legalization for various reasons.

    I'm against illegal immigration at the southern border. I also think we should reduce legal immigration. I'm not interested in seeing a United States with a billion people in my lifetime.

    politicalviolenceataglance.org/2012/08/30/explaining-high-murder-rates-in-latin-america-its-not-drugs/

    According to the above article, high murder rates in Latin America are largely due to income inequality, easy access to guns and gang on gang violence. We are not responsible for the rise of gangs like M13 and the violence they create, nor should we be responsible for "financing an effort to rebuild the institutions (i.e., police, courts, prisons, etc.) and infrastructure (i.e., military, transportation, and education systems) in the countries of Central America," as suggested by one of the articles you posted. I'm sure we have had a negative impact on those countries with our appetite for drugs on the demand side. But they are responsible for allowing cartels and corruption to flourish within their borders in order to cash in on the supply side.

    Rather than pursue a failed war on drugs in other countries, I repeat the call for us to build the Great Wall of America. It will help stem the flow of illegal immigrants and drugs from Latin American countries, as well as provide jobs for Americans. We can perhaps decriminalize small amounts of hard drugs as an experiment at the same time to see if that helps.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited July 2014
    At least you're starting to see it my way.


    You started with saying these positions were "completely retarded" and as you see the facts and data for the first time at least you are wiling to acknowledge that maybe you could change your mind. Your not a complete ideologue

    You have a way to go, but you can get there if you give it some effort.
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  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    No. He's still OBKFS.

    Various Reasons against legalization ?
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  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    TheGlove said:

    No. He's still OBKFS.

    Various Reasons against legalization ?

    I've outlined most of them in other threads. You can go find them if you want to. I'm not going to do the legwork. The primary one is government taxation and the role government will play if hard drugs like heroin and methamphetamine are completely legalized (as opposed to possession of small amounts of those substances being decriminalized). The government should not be profiting from the sale of hard drugs.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    The longest journey starts with one step. I consider that a win.
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  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    MikeDamone said:

    The longest journey starts with one step. I consider that a win.


    You've got me to read a few articles I otherwise wouldn't have because that's required to debate you. I'll give you credit for that.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    MikeDamone said:

    The longest journey starts with one step. I consider that a win.


    You've got me to read a few articles I otherwise wouldn't have because that's required to debate you. I'll give you credit for that.
    And by reading those you moved your position. Started to open your mind to other paradigms other than what has been pushed on you all your life. Keep reading.
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  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    MikeDamone said:

    The longest journey starts with one step. I consider that a win.


    You've got me to read a few articles I otherwise wouldn't have because that's required to debate you. I'll give you credit for that.
    Touching
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  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,748 Founders Club
    One of the few Hallmark moments on these boards. Just so it doesn't go unsaid, I love both of you as people.
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  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,515 Founders Club
    MikeDamone said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    MikeDamone said:

    The longest journey starts with one step. I consider that a win.


    You've got me to read a few articles I otherwise wouldn't have because that's required to debate you. I'll give you credit for that.
    And by reading those you moved your position. Started to open your mind to other paradigms other than what has been pushed on you all your life. Keep reading.
    In the discipline hole?
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