It’s not REAL socialism though
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Just look at the bang up job the VA did. And then look at one of our "premium" institutions like the FBI. Can't think of anyone more incompetent to run the institution than corrupt Comey and now Wray. We just need to put Fow Chee in charge of government run health care. Perfect.TurdBomber said:
Brilliant. If only the state actors and employees were competent and motivated enough to do their jobs and distribute the goods and security. They aren't. They don't. They always take care of themselves first.HHusky said:
“There is no reason why in a society which has reached the general level of wealth which ours has attained the first kind of security should not be guaranteed to all without endangering general freedom. .... [T]here can be no doubt that some minimum of food, shelter, and clothing, sufficient to preserve health and the capacity to work, can be assured to everybody. ... Nor is there any reason why the state should not assist the individual in providing for those common hazards of life against which, because of their uncertainty, few individuals can make adequate provision.
"Where, as in the case of sickness and accident, neither the desire to avoid such calamities nor the efforts to overcome their consequences are as a rule weakened by the provision of assistance – where, in short, we deal with genuinely insurable risks – the case for the state’s helping to organize a comprehensive system of social insurance is very strong. There are many points of detail where those wishing to preserve the competitive system and those wishing to super-cede it by something different will disagree on the details of such schemes; and it is possible under the name of social insurance to introduce measures which tend to make competition more or less ineffective. But there is no incompatability in principle between the state’s providing greater security in this way and the preservation of individual freedom.
"To the same category belongs also the increase of security through the state’s rendering assistance to the victims of such ‘acts of God’ as earthquakes and floods. Wherever communal action can mitigate disasters against which the individual can neither attempt to guard himself nor make provision for the consequences, such communal action should undoubtedly be taken.
“There is, finally, the supremely important problem of combating general fluctuations of economic activity and the recurrent waves of large-scale unemployment which accompany them. This is, of course, one of the gravest and most pressing problems of our time. But, though its solution will require much planning in the good sense, it does not — or at least need not — require that special kind of planning which according to its advocates is to replace the market.
"Many economists hope, indeed, that the ultimate remedy may be found in the field of monetary policy, which would involve nothing incompatible even with nineteenth-century liberalism. Others, it is true, believe that real success can be expected only from the skillful timing of public works undertaken on a very large scale. This might lead to much more serious restrictions of the competitive sphere, and, in experimenting in this direction, we shall have to carefully watch our step if we are to avoid making all economic activity progressively more dependent on the direction and volume of government expenditure. But this is neither the only nor, in my opinion, the most promising way of meeting the gravest threat to economic security.
"In any case, the very necessary effort to secure protection against these fluctuations do not lead to the kind of planning which constitutes such a threat to our freedom.”
-Hayek
See U.S. Teachers.
http://ace.mu.nu/
IG Report: FBI Let Larry Nasser Commit Sex Crimes Against Young Gymnasts, and Then Lied About Their Actions After-the-Fact
—Ace
They're all patriotic straight-shooters of the highest caliber of professionalism and ethics, Andy McCarthy and the rest of the establishment simps and Deep State Dick-Riders informed me.
Some quotes from Politico.
One of the FBI agents delaying investigating the sexual abuse was also... trying to get himself a job on the Olympic Committee, while he was covering up for them.
"In the fall of 2015... Abbott met with [then-USA Gymnastics President Stephen] Penny at a bar and discussed a potential job opportunity with the U.S. Olympic Committee," the 117-page report says. "Abbott engaged with Penny about both his interest in the U.S. Olympic Committee position and the Nassar investigation, while at the same time participating in discussions at the FBI related to the Nassar investigation."
As the two discussed both the Nassar case and its public relations impact on USA Gymnastics, Penny "appeared willing to put in a good word" for Abbott about the job, which was eventually given to someone else, the report says.
Horowitz's office concluded that in addition to violating the FBI's conflict-of-interest policy, after Abbott�s job-seeking came to light, he lied to investigators about it.
"Abbott should have known -- and in fact did know according to the evidence we found -- that his actions would raise a question regarding his impartiality,� the inspector general's team wrote. "We further concluded that Abbott made false statements to the OIG about the job discussion, his application for the position, and his handling of the Nassar allegations."
Despite the inspector general's conclusion that Abbott and a supervisory special agent in the Indianapolis lied about their actions, the Justice Department declined to prosecute Abbott or other FBI agents over their alleged misconduct, the report says.
In an extraordinary letter appended to the report, a senior FBI official said that the law enforcement agency accepts Horowitz's findings and recommendations in full.
"The actions and inactions of the FBI employees described in the Report are inexcusable and a discredit to this organization and the values we hold dear," wrote Douglass Leff, assistant director for the FBI's Inspection Division. "The conduct and facts in the report are appalling."
Julie Kelly on the case in 2018: Another James Comey Special.
But another powerful entity, one specifically tasked with protecting the most vulnerable, also betrayed Maroney: Jim Comey's Federal Bureau of Investigations. The agency dragged its feet on the Nassar case for nearly a year, taking action only after an Indianapolis newspaper ran a series of articles in August 2016 about sexual abuse in women�s gymnastics. (Maroney will tell her story, including how the FBI bungled the investigation, on a special edition of "Dateline" this Sunday night.)
After an internal investigation confirmed the allegations against Nassar, top officials at USA Gymnastics met with FBI agents in Indianapolis on July 25, 2015 to present their evidence: "So began a nine-month period in which abuse allegations against Nassar languished with federal law enforcement," the WSJ reports. "From July to September, [Steve] Penny emailed with FBI agents in Indianapolis, offering to arrange interviews and provide information, and seeking approval and advice on communications with third parties, including Nassar." (Penny was USA Gymnastics' president at the time.) The case was bounced months later to the Detroit FBI field office: Neither opened a formal investigation.
It wasn't until Penny went to the FBI's office in Los Angeles in the spring of 2016 that the agency finally started an investigation. Local police in Michigan arrested Nassar in November 2016 for sexual abuse charges; federal law enforcement officials arrested Nassar the following month for possession of child pornography. (Gee, if only the FBI hadn't been so worried about Carter Page.)
While James Comey's FBI botched this case for over a year, more than 40 girls--including some of his youngest victims-- were abused by Nassar, according to the New York Times. -
I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.
He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.
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Having dealt with the Dazzler both here and for a long time, it is a rare occasion that he actually takes a position and articulates.UW_Doog_Bot said:
This is why you guys need to let people speak up more instead of piling on. It's easy when all you do is take pithy pot shots at other people's positions. Most of their positions are built on nice sounding bullshit and wishes so let them have the soapbox and lay out their grand visions.Swaye said:This is the thread to refer back to if you ever want to see HHusky fail miserably to act the part of the intellectual. No factual foundation for his theories. It's all about the feels. Game. Set. Match.
“It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it" - Mark Twain
This is why I usually don't argue policy positions I don't fully understand. I recognize my limitations. Others, not so much.
Most of his responses are “clever” retorts or simply bragging about himself. Most are limited to one sentence.
The Dazzler thought he would baffle the Tug with bullshit by the lengthy quotations from Hayek.
You bitch slapped him. Long overdue, but this isn’t the first time nor will it be the last.
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What was your basis for “hoping Obama would restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years”?TurdBomber said:I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.
He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.
Pathetic.
“Hope and Change.”
Just curious.
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Do you think what’s happening in the U.S. currently is the “fundamental transformation of the United States of America” Obama envisioned?
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I suppose it was hope and change. He delivered on neither, of course.trublue said:
What was your basis for “hoping Obama would restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years”?TurdBomber said:I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.
He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.
Pathetic.
“Hope and Change.”
Just curious. -
And I so disdained Romney in 2012, that I either didn't vote or voted for Obama a second time. I honesty can't remember. I think I went with Barry.
...Who then fagged out, danced on Ellen, gave his keys to the WH to Michelle, and turned Foreign Policy over to Hillary and Susan Rice.
I only hope history will be as unforgiving to Obama for his "gone fishing" second term as it will be positive and honest about Trump's presidency. But I won't hold my breath. -
It is beginning to appear the “fundamental transformation of the United States of America “ he promised is now full speed ahead.
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How could you have ever trusted dRats? They've been LSoS Marxists for decades.TurdBomber said:I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.
He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.
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He was a self admitted communist. In my biz we call that a clue.TurdBomber said:
I suppose it was hope and change. He delivered on neither, of course.trublue said:
What was your basis for “hoping Obama would restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years”?TurdBomber said:I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.
He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.
Pathetic.
“Hope and Change.”
Just curious. -
TurdBomber said:
And I so disdained Romney in 2012, that I either didn't vote or voted for Obama a second time. I honesty can't remember. I think I went with Barry.
...Who then fagged out, danced on Ellen, gave his keys to the WH to Michelle, and turned Foreign Policy over to Hillary and Susan Rice.
Thank the R's for running a series of douchebag losers with no new ideas.Sledog said:
He was a self admitted communist. In my biz we call that a clue.TurdBomber said:
I suppose it was hope and change. He delivered on neither, of course.trublue said:
What was your basis for “hoping Obama would restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years”?TurdBomber said:I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.
He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.
Pathetic.
“Hope and Change.”
Just curious.
I wasn't voting for anyone dumb enough to choose Palin as VP, and Romney is a human bag of dicks.
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Bill Clinton was a good Prez, like him or not. Lefties hated him because he was a "Businessman's Democrat," or a DINO, in many ways. And I didn't give a shit that he got high in college or got a blowie in the Oval. He got welfare reform and the '94 Crime Bill pushed through, both of which were good things at the time and mostly still are.RoadTrip said:
How could you have ever trusted dRats? They've been LSoS Marxists for decades.TurdBomber said:I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.
He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.
Pathetic. -
He did a fantastic job of weaponizing the federal government against any opposition.TurdBomber said:And I so disdained Romney in 2012, that I either didn't vote or voted for Obama a second time. I honesty can't remember. I think I went with Barry.
...Who then fagged out, danced on Ellen, gave his keys to the WH to Michelle, and turned Foreign Policy over to Hillary and Susan Rice.
I only hope history will be as unforgiving to Obama for his "gone fishing" second term as it will be positive and honest about Trump's presidency. But I won't hold my breath. -
Still, they were clearly better choices than barry. Barry's position was that his obamacare would save every family $2500 and keep your doctor and that we couldn't drill our way to lower energy prices. Even the snowbilly Palin said "drill baby drill". So barry was dead wrong on our healthcare and energy programs which are two of the largest segments of our economy. I can't think of one competent democrat as far as running a country. Take Steve Jobs who actually ran a meritocracy. But as a dem he supported teacher unions over kids and a unionized federal and state bureaucracy that certainly doesn't promote competency.TurdBomber said:TurdBomber said:And I so disdained Romney in 2012, that I either didn't vote or voted for Obama a second time. I honesty can't remember. I think I went with Barry.
...Who then fagged out, danced on Ellen, gave his keys to the WH to Michelle, and turned Foreign Policy over to Hillary and Susan Rice.
Thank the R's for running a series of douchebag losers with no new ideas.Sledog said:
He was a self admitted communist. In my biz we call that a clue.TurdBomber said:
I suppose it was hope and change. He delivered on neither, of course.trublue said:
What was your basis for “hoping Obama would restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years”?TurdBomber said:I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.
He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.
Pathetic.
“Hope and Change.”
Just curious.
I wasn't voting for anyone dumb enough to choose Palin as VP, and Romney is a human bag of dicks.
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Barry ran on and supported a public option before he got elected and abandoned it. I still support a public option to counter-balance the corrupt fucking blood-sucking private health insurance industry I'm forced to buy from under Obamacare.WestlinnDuck said:
Still, they were clearly better choices than barry. Barry's position was that his obamacare would save every family $2500 and keep your doctor and that we couldn't drill our way to lower energy prices. Even the snowbilly Palin said "drill baby drill". So barry was dead wrong on our healthcare and energy programs which are two of the largest segments of our economy. I can't think of one competent democrat as far as running a country. Take Steve Jobs who actually ran a meritocracy. But as a dem he supported teacher unions over kids and a unionized federal and state bureaucracy that certainly doesn't promote competency.TurdBomber said:TurdBomber said:And I so disdained Romney in 2012, that I either didn't vote or voted for Obama a second time. I honesty can't remember. I think I went with Barry.
...Who then fagged out, danced on Ellen, gave his keys to the WH to Michelle, and turned Foreign Policy over to Hillary and Susan Rice.
Thank the R's for running a series of douchebag losers with no new ideas.Sledog said:
He was a self admitted communist. In my biz we call that a clue.TurdBomber said:
I suppose it was hope and change. He delivered on neither, of course.trublue said:
What was your basis for “hoping Obama would restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years”?TurdBomber said:I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.
He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.
Pathetic.
“Hope and Change.”
Just curious.
I wasn't voting for anyone dumb enough to choose Palin as VP, and Romney is a human bag of dicks.
Fuck both of those guys.
And you're forgetting that Barry kept and expanded many oil leases up and down the coasts of the U.S. that his lunatic green supporters wanted him to cancel. He did what his Wall Street handlers told him to do, and in large part there was little light between he and Mom-Jeans Romney on economic policy. Most importantly, and most conservatively, he didn't jail anyone from Wall Street after the crash, just like the R's wanted. -
Romney's a piece of shit. Fuck him then and fuck him now.
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Bill Clinton was who he thought he had to be at the time he was running for President. Welfare Reform was forced on him by the GOP. You only need to look to how Biden is governing now and where is he was publicly back in the early 90s to realize that neither Biden nor Clinton have any core convictions.TurdBomber said:
Bill Clinton was a good Prez, like him or not. Lefties hated him because he was a "Businessman's Democrat," or a DINO, in many ways. And I didn't give a shit that he got high in college or got a blowie in the Oval. He got welfare reform and the '94 Crime Bill pushed through, both of which were good things at the time and mostly still are.RoadTrip said:
How could you have ever trusted dRats? They've been LSoS Marxists for decades.TurdBomber said:I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.
He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.
Pathetic. -
Unlike Grifter Biden, I think Clinton loved the country and believed in its core principles.SFGbob said:
Bill Clinton was who he thought he had to be at the time he was running for President. Welfare Reform was forced on him by the GOP. You only need to look to how Biden is governing now and where is he was publicly back in the early 90s to realize that neither Biden nor Clinton have any core convictions.TurdBomber said:
Bill Clinton was a good Prez, like him or not. Lefties hated him because he was a "Businessman's Democrat," or a DINO, in many ways. And I didn't give a shit that he got high in college or got a blowie in the Oval. He got welfare reform and the '94 Crime Bill pushed through, both of which were good things at the time and mostly still are.RoadTrip said:
How could you have ever trusted dRats? They've been LSoS Marxists for decades.TurdBomber said:I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.
He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.
Pathetic.
You can argue Welfare Reform was forced upon him, but it took balls for him to stare down his own party, and he took barge loads of shit for it by the hard left, cradle-to-grave welfare crowd.
And give credit where its due, Clinton was the last Prez to reduce the deficit and debt.
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Actually you can thank Reagan and then Newt although Clinton reluctantly signed the budget bills. Who knew that lowering the tax rate and reducing regulations and slowing government spending was good for the private sector economy.TurdBomber said:
Unlike Grifter Biden, I think Clinton loved the country and believed in its core principles.SFGbob said:
Bill Clinton was who he thought he had to be at the time he was running for President. Welfare Reform was forced on him by the GOP. You only need to look to how Biden is governing now and where is he was publicly back in the early 90s to realize that neither Biden nor Clinton have any core convictions.TurdBomber said:
Bill Clinton was a good Prez, like him or not. Lefties hated him because he was a "Businessman's Democrat," or a DINO, in many ways. And I didn't give a shit that he got high in college or got a blowie in the Oval. He got welfare reform and the '94 Crime Bill pushed through, both of which were good things at the time and mostly still are.RoadTrip said:
How could you have ever trusted dRats? They've been LSoS Marxists for decades.TurdBomber said:I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.
He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.
Pathetic.
You can argue Welfare Reform was forced upon him, but it took balls for him to stare down his own party, and he took barge loads of shit for it by the hard left, cradle-to-grave welfare crowd.
And give credit where its due, Clinton was the last Prez to reduce the deficit and debt.
You can hate him or his party, but you can't deny him the facts. -
Quite honestly I don't disagree. I voted twice for Bill and as always am not ashamed to say so. I voted for him more than against the other guy for one of the few times. All in all the 90's were a nice addition to the 80'sTurdBomber said:
Unlike Grifter Biden, I think Clinton loved the country and believed in its core principles.SFGbob said:
Bill Clinton was who he thought he had to be at the time he was running for President. Welfare Reform was forced on him by the GOP. You only need to look to how Biden is governing now and where is he was publicly back in the early 90s to realize that neither Biden nor Clinton have any core convictions.TurdBomber said:
Bill Clinton was a good Prez, like him or not. Lefties hated him because he was a "Businessman's Democrat," or a DINO, in many ways. And I didn't give a shit that he got high in college or got a blowie in the Oval. He got welfare reform and the '94 Crime Bill pushed through, both of which were good things at the time and mostly still are.RoadTrip said:
How could you have ever trusted dRats? They've been LSoS Marxists for decades.TurdBomber said:I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.
He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.
Pathetic.
You can argue Welfare Reform was forced upon him, but it took balls for him to stare down his own party, and he took barge loads of shit for it by the hard left, cradle-to-grave welfare crowd.
And give credit where its due, Clinton was the last Prez to reduce the deficit and debt.
You can hate him or his party, but you can't deny him the facts.
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That's an old anti-Clinton trope, I'm well acquainted with, but those Adam & Eve arguments are pretty myopic and lame. Give credit where it's due. Clinton raised marginal rates a bit to reduce the debt. So did Bush, Sr., and it cost him re-election. Both Bush, Sr., and Clinton were fiscally responsible deficit hawks. If you can't give him that, you're not being fair.WestlinnDuck said:
Actually you can thank Reagan and then Newt although Clinton reluctantly signed the budget bills. Who knew that lowering the tax rate and reducing regulations and slowing government spending was good for the private sector economy.TurdBomber said:
Unlike Grifter Biden, I think Clinton loved the country and believed in its core principles.SFGbob said:
Bill Clinton was who he thought he had to be at the time he was running for President. Welfare Reform was forced on him by the GOP. You only need to look to how Biden is governing now and where is he was publicly back in the early 90s to realize that neither Biden nor Clinton have any core convictions.TurdBomber said:
Bill Clinton was a good Prez, like him or not. Lefties hated him because he was a "Businessman's Democrat," or a DINO, in many ways. And I didn't give a shit that he got high in college or got a blowie in the Oval. He got welfare reform and the '94 Crime Bill pushed through, both of which were good things at the time and mostly still are.RoadTrip said:
How could you have ever trusted dRats? They've been LSoS Marxists for decades.TurdBomber said:I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.
He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.
Pathetic.
You can argue Welfare Reform was forced upon him, but it took balls for him to stare down his own party, and he took barge loads of shit for it by the hard left, cradle-to-grave welfare crowd.
And give credit where its due, Clinton was the last Prez to reduce the deficit and debt.
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I agree with you for the most part. Clinton also was the beneficiary of the dot.com boom that burst after he left office.
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I'm not denying facts, I'm just challenging your assertion that he was a profile in courage. He wanted to win re-election. The GOP just took the House for first time in nearly 50 years. He went along in order to survive politically. He signed the Welfare reform bill for the same reason Biden and Hillary voted in favor of the Iraq war. They thought it was the right political move.TurdBomber said:
Unlike Grifter Biden, I think Clinton loved the country and believed in its core principles.SFGbob said:
Bill Clinton was who he thought he had to be at the time he was running for President. Welfare Reform was forced on him by the GOP. You only need to look to how Biden is governing now and where is he was publicly back in the early 90s to realize that neither Biden nor Clinton have any core convictions.TurdBomber said:
Bill Clinton was a good Prez, like him or not. Lefties hated him because he was a "Businessman's Democrat," or a DINO, in many ways. And I didn't give a shit that he got high in college or got a blowie in the Oval. He got welfare reform and the '94 Crime Bill pushed through, both of which were good things at the time and mostly still are.RoadTrip said:
How could you have ever trusted dRats? They've been LSoS Marxists for decades.TurdBomber said:I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.
He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.
Pathetic.
You can argue Welfare Reform was forced upon him, but it took balls for him to stare down his own party, and he took barge loads of shit for it by the hard left, cradle-to-grave welfare crowd.
And give credit where its due, Clinton was the last Prez to reduce the deficit and debt.
You can hate him or his party, but you can't deny him the facts. -
It took a Dem Prez with unique charm to get it through, and Bill was that guy. No other Dem or Rep was getting it through back then.SFGbob said:
I'm not denying facts, I'm just challenging your assertion that he was a profile in courage. He wanted to win re-election. The GOP just took the House for first time in nearly 50 years. He went along in order to survive politically. He signed the Welfare reform bill for the same reason Biden and Hillary voted in favor of the Iraq war. They thought it was the right political move.TurdBomber said:
Unlike Grifter Biden, I think Clinton loved the country and believed in its core principles.SFGbob said:
Bill Clinton was who he thought he had to be at the time he was running for President. Welfare Reform was forced on him by the GOP. You only need to look to how Biden is governing now and where is he was publicly back in the early 90s to realize that neither Biden nor Clinton have any core convictions.TurdBomber said:
Bill Clinton was a good Prez, like him or not. Lefties hated him because he was a "Businessman's Democrat," or a DINO, in many ways. And I didn't give a shit that he got high in college or got a blowie in the Oval. He got welfare reform and the '94 Crime Bill pushed through, both of which were good things at the time and mostly still are.RoadTrip said:
How could you have ever trusted dRats? They've been LSoS Marxists for decades.TurdBomber said:I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.
He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.
Pathetic.
You can argue Welfare Reform was forced upon him, but it took balls for him to stare down his own party, and he took barge loads of shit for it by the hard left, cradle-to-grave welfare crowd.
And give credit where its due, Clinton was the last Prez to reduce the deficit and debt.
You can hate him or his party, but you can't deny him the facts. -
It took no skill. Ted, the Swimmer, Kennedy voted for the Reagan tax cuts because he was scared of the 1980 Republican landslide. He whined about those cuts for the rest of his political career. Republicans controlled Congress in 1996 and they didn't need to be charmed. All Clinton had to do was sign the legislation and forgo a third veto. Since Clinton has campaigned on welfare reform and then nothing about it he was in a political bind and did what the people wanted out of political expediency. There was nothing charming about Clinton unless you like snake oil salesmen.TurdBomber said:
It took a Dem Prez with unique charm to get it through, and Bill was that guy. No other Dem or Rep was getting it through back then.SFGbob said:
I'm not denying facts, I'm just challenging your assertion that he was a profile in courage. He wanted to win re-election. The GOP just took the House for first time in nearly 50 years. He went along in order to survive politically. He signed the Welfare reform bill for the same reason Biden and Hillary voted in favor of the Iraq war. They thought it was the right political move.TurdBomber said:
Unlike Grifter Biden, I think Clinton loved the country and believed in its core principles.SFGbob said:
Bill Clinton was who he thought he had to be at the time he was running for President. Welfare Reform was forced on him by the GOP. You only need to look to how Biden is governing now and where is he was publicly back in the early 90s to realize that neither Biden nor Clinton have any core convictions.TurdBomber said:
Bill Clinton was a good Prez, like him or not. Lefties hated him because he was a "Businessman's Democrat," or a DINO, in many ways. And I didn't give a shit that he got high in college or got a blowie in the Oval. He got welfare reform and the '94 Crime Bill pushed through, both of which were good things at the time and mostly still are.RoadTrip said:
How could you have ever trusted dRats? They've been LSoS Marxists for decades.TurdBomber said:I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.
He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.
Pathetic.
You can argue Welfare Reform was forced upon him, but it took balls for him to stare down his own party, and he took barge loads of shit for it by the hard left, cradle-to-grave welfare crowd.
And give credit where its due, Clinton was the last Prez to reduce the deficit and debt.
You can hate him or his party, but you can't deny him the facts. -
Yah but I'd take Palin over SloJoe any day. Could never vote for a commie. I may have without knowing but never knowingly.TurdBomber said:TurdBomber said:And I so disdained Romney in 2012, that I either didn't vote or voted for Obama a second time. I honesty can't remember. I think I went with Barry.
...Who then fagged out, danced on Ellen, gave his keys to the WH to Michelle, and turned Foreign Policy over to Hillary and Susan Rice.
Thank the R's for running a series of douchebag losers with no new ideas.Sledog said:
He was a self admitted communist. In my biz we call that a clue.TurdBomber said:
I suppose it was hope and change. He delivered on neither, of course.trublue said:
What was your basis for “hoping Obama would restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years”?TurdBomber said:I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.
He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.
Pathetic.
“Hope and Change.”
Just curious.
I wasn't voting for anyone dumb enough to choose Palin as VP, and Romney is a human bag of dicks.
Fuck both of those guys. -
Imagine voting for a real American versus commies playing for the away team.Sledog said:
Yah but I'd take Palin over SloJoe any day. Could never vote for a commie. I may have without knowing but never knowingly.TurdBomber said:TurdBomber said:And I so disdained Romney in 2012, that I either didn't vote or voted for Obama a second time. I honesty can't remember. I think I went with Barry.
...Who then fagged out, danced on Ellen, gave his keys to the WH to Michelle, and turned Foreign Policy over to Hillary and Susan Rice.
Thank the R's for running a series of douchebag losers with no new ideas.Sledog said:
He was a self admitted communist. In my biz we call that a clue.TurdBomber said:
I suppose it was hope and change. He delivered on neither, of course.trublue said:
What was your basis for “hoping Obama would restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years”?TurdBomber said:I voted for Obama twice, hoping he'd restore some Meritocracy lost during the Bush years.
He didn't. He doubled down on all of it, filling the ranks with shitty, socially retarded spooks who think life is a game of Risk.
Pathetic.
“Hope and Change.”
Just curious.
I wasn't voting for anyone dumb enough to choose Palin as VP, and Romney is a human bag of dicks.
Fuck both of those guys. -
"Nothing charming about Clinton." Nothing. Okay.
Might want to tell that to every major news organization, all the women he fucked, Joe Klein, Chris Matthews, and the American voting public.
No prying open the mind of a Clinton-hater, no matter how clueless, obtuse or wrong they are. Carry on, WLD. -
You Clinton-haters tried the Commie thing twice, and got your asses handed to you, both times.
Might want to stop embracing the losers' strategy and smell the coffee instead.
Populists win elections. See Donald Trump.
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