It’s not REAL socialism though
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But baby fur seal clubbing is easy!UW_Doog_Bot said:
This is why you guys need to let people speak up more instead of piling on. It's easy when all you do is take pithy pot shots at other people's positions. Most of their positions are built on nice sounding bullshit and wishes so let them have the soapbox and lay out their grand visions.Swaye said:This is the thread to refer back to if you ever want to see HHusky fail miserably to act the part of the intellectual. No factual foundation for his theories. It's all about the feels. Game. Set. Match.
“It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it" - Mark Twain
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It's threads like this that cause me to bask in the glow of creating "The Dazzler'.
Will forego royalty payments on these six pages. The pound of flesh has already been extracted in the pummeling.
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A Public Option would be great.trublue said:
If people want rationed care, cool. Leave an option for people who don’t want to pay into it and can pay as they go or go through some type of insurance system. I believe Switzerland has viable options.Rubberfist said:
The grand majority of the Left in the US would prefer European style “socialism.” Are you against that?RoadTrip said:
You're too stupid to understand, in many cases, these countries are more capitalist than the CSA today.Rubberfist said:Now do Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Austria, Canada, France and Switzerland.
There are enough Government programs and they simply have not worked well (they’re Ponzi Schemes with insatiable appetites for more money) and are inefficient.
They’re very good at creating gigantic bureaucracies . . . Not very good at actual solutions.
Why do Democrats keep selling it on the Campaign Trail, then dropping it like a rock when they take office?
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Hell, he educated the dazzler. Must have been a hell of a teacher. His kid lies as if he is getting paid for each one.trublue said:Deep thoughts from the Dazzler . . . LOL . . . The growth of government has exploded.
I wonder what your father (the retired public school teacher) would think of today’s educators and the quality of public education (at the K-12 level) at the present time.
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Brilliant. If only the state actors and employees were competent and motivated enough to do their jobs and distribute the goods and security. They aren't. They don't. They always take care of themselves first.HHusky said:
“There is no reason why in a society which has reached the general level of wealth which ours has attained the first kind of security should not be guaranteed to all without endangering general freedom. .... [T]here can be no doubt that some minimum of food, shelter, and clothing, sufficient to preserve health and the capacity to work, can be assured to everybody. ... Nor is there any reason why the state should not assist the individual in providing for those common hazards of life against which, because of their uncertainty, few individuals can make adequate provision.
"Where, as in the case of sickness and accident, neither the desire to avoid such calamities nor the efforts to overcome their consequences are as a rule weakened by the provision of assistance – where, in short, we deal with genuinely insurable risks – the case for the state’s helping to organize a comprehensive system of social insurance is very strong. There are many points of detail where those wishing to preserve the competitive system and those wishing to super-cede it by something different will disagree on the details of such schemes; and it is possible under the name of social insurance to introduce measures which tend to make competition more or less ineffective. But there is no incompatability in principle between the state’s providing greater security in this way and the preservation of individual freedom.
"To the same category belongs also the increase of security through the state’s rendering assistance to the victims of such ‘acts of God’ as earthquakes and floods. Wherever communal action can mitigate disasters against which the individual can neither attempt to guard himself nor make provision for the consequences, such communal action should undoubtedly be taken.
“There is, finally, the supremely important problem of combating general fluctuations of economic activity and the recurrent waves of large-scale unemployment which accompany them. This is, of course, one of the gravest and most pressing problems of our time. But, though its solution will require much planning in the good sense, it does not — or at least need not — require that special kind of planning which according to its advocates is to replace the market.
"Many economists hope, indeed, that the ultimate remedy may be found in the field of monetary policy, which would involve nothing incompatible even with nineteenth-century liberalism. Others, it is true, believe that real success can be expected only from the skillful timing of public works undertaken on a very large scale. This might lead to much more serious restrictions of the competitive sphere, and, in experimenting in this direction, we shall have to carefully watch our step if we are to avoid making all economic activity progressively more dependent on the direction and volume of government expenditure. But this is neither the only nor, in my opinion, the most promising way of meeting the gravest threat to economic security.
"In any case, the very necessary effort to secure protection against these fluctuations do not lead to the kind of planning which constitutes such a threat to our freedom.”
-Hayek
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Dazzler is pissed at his dad for living too long and spending what he believed to be his money.WestlinnDuck said:
Hell, he educated the dazzler. Must have been a hell of a teacher. His kid lies as if he is getting paid for each one.trublue said:Deep thoughts from the Dazzler . . . LOL . . . The growth of government has exploded.
I wonder what your father (the retired public school teacher) would think of today’s educators and the quality of public education (at the K-12 level) at the present time.
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I have a felling dad was an attorney. The Dazzler not so much.SFGbob said:
Dazzler is pissed at his dad for living too long and spending what he believed to be his money.WestlinnDuck said:
Hell, he educated the dazzler. Must have been a hell of a teacher. His kid lies as if he is getting paid for each one.trublue said:Deep thoughts from the Dazzler . . . LOL . . . The growth of government has exploded.
I wonder what your father (the retired public school teacher) would think of today’s educators and the quality of public education (at the K-12 level) at the present time.
Is he still alive? -
Vibrant sailing community!RaceBannon said:
Best Healthcare in the worldthechatch said:But but but Cuba has a high literacy rate!
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One might say the world wanted Trump out. I wonder why.UW_Doog_Bot said:
All the US needs to do is find a benevolent world hegemon to subsidize our own defense and keep peace in the world and boom! Social safety nets paid for.Rubberfist said:Now do Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Austria, Canada, France and Switzerland.
Onto what we can learn from Europe Per your request:
Germany – Literally paying for the rest of the EU’s socialism at the expense of the German Taxpayer. Lulz
Sweden – Has moved away from “social democracy” and liberalized markets after their own “great society” failures. Fastest growing income inequality in Europe btw. Also, every household has a gun. I’ll take that part.
Netherlands – One of the highest and most progressive tax rates. One of the MOST unequal societies on the face of the Earth. Just another of the 1,000+ examples of the failure of progressivism to “redistribute” wealth and make “equality”.
Denmark – Literally has no minimum wage. Ok!
Norway – Essentially a Northern member of the United Arab Emirates. Ranked #7 for ease of business as well.
Austria – Home to the Austrian school of Economics. I’m completely on board with taking Hayek’s advice on how to manage our economy. Are you?
Canada – A healthcare system that literally doesn’t function without the relief valve of their southern neighbor’s healthcare system being within driving distance. Don’t believe me? Why is the US one of the top medical tourism destinations in the World? I’ll give you a hint what the primary driver of that is.
France – Anemic growth, public unions that light people on fire over benefits, alternating between providing and needing subsidized by other EU members. We too could have all of this and maintain a super low economic mobility score of a class society!
Switzerland – Also lots of guns, also literally the black bank of the world. I guess the US should just become the world’s money launderer to subsidize health care?
Pretty much all “universal healthcare” is “rationed healthcare” where the government decides who gets scarce resources. This means lines and bureaucratic death panels unless of course, you are well connected or a government official. We all know how meritorious government employment and promotion is.
School choice is pretty much the singular highest correlated variable in all of the European countries that outperform the US in education. Sounds good!
All of Europe was suffering from terrible economic growth BEFORE the pandemic and we were looking at the potential 2nd death of the European Union, negative interest rates, bailouts, etc. during a global growth period. The European Model!
