What's with ESPN NBA and all the Seinfeld references?

RoadDawg55 said:

TheKobeStopper said:

PurpleThrobber said:

BleachedAnusDawg said:

TheKobeStopper said:

BleachedAnusDawg said:

RoadDawg55 said:

RaceBannon said:

DerekJohnson said:

RaceBannon said:

Kaepsknee said:

RaceBannon said:

You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.

Pick

Larry.


And it’s not close.

@WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....

I think its close at 23. LIPO

You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPO

Inconsistent messaging

People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23

Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ


To say its not close is not right

At all

Luka is better.

Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.

We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now.

Captive of the moment. Luka is playing in the 1st round of the playoffs in a league where everyone is allergic to playing defense and the rules are geared towards offense. Bird could post up and was a million times better shooter from distance than Luka. He also won championships and mvps (and was even all-defense a few times). Hell, he still scored 20 a game as a 35 year old cripple.

Save the Luka is better stuff for 10 years from now when he has a body of work to compare.

This is such a dumb take. Scoring isn’t up because guys don’t play defense, it’s up because teams realized how valuable 3 point shots are and that more 3 point shooters creates space. Guys play harder on defense than ever before with having to rotate around to shooters.

The glory teams of yesteryear played great defense because there were always two giant oafs standing in the paint. Not because they tried harder or cared more.

They don't play defense, and the league has changed the rules to inhibit a defender's ability to stop penetration. Guys walk down the lane unimpeded because you can't hand check anymore. Guys play harder on defense than ever before...LMAO. Okay, dude.

Pippen and Jordan are laughing their asses off at @TheKobeStopper assertion.

Dudes got out and flat locked opponents down.

See also Gary Payton.

Nobody defends like that today. The defensive player of the year this season was Rudy fucking Gobert, for Christ’s sake.

Ok and I could name Kawhi, Lebron and Chris Paul who were lockdown guys in their prime. You’re just naming outlier defenders.

In 2011 Lebron would guard reigning MVP Derrick Rose at the end of games and Rose couldn’t do shit. Do you know why? Because the Bulls had Gibson and Noah clogging up the paint.

In 2015 Andre Igoudala won the Finals MVP for guarding Lebron and holding him to 39% shooting. The next year Lebron shot 50% against the same team. You want to know why?

Because in 2015 Kevin Love was hurt and the Cavs played Mozgov and Tristan Thompson a ton. In 2016 those minutes were replaced with Kevin Love and Richard Jefferson. Shooters.

And like I said, you just named outliers. Most defense back then was standing around and watching. I’m not taking anything away from the great defenders but the “nobody cares” narrative is bullshit. Good defense now bust their asses running around.

So much easier to play defense back then. Tons of standing around, double teams were illegal until a player had the ball, and there were always multiple non shooters to sag off of. There were also dinosaur coaches that wouldn’t slow a player to shoot three’s off the dribble. Now with a premium on shooting and ball handling, it’s harder to defend.

BleachedAnusDawg said:

RoadDawg55 said:

TheKobeStopper said:

PurpleThrobber said:

BleachedAnusDawg said:

TheKobeStopper said:

BleachedAnusDawg said:

RoadDawg55 said:

RaceBannon said:

DerekJohnson said:

RaceBannon said:

Kaepsknee said:

RaceBannon said:

You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.

Pick

Larry.


And it’s not close.

@WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....

I think its close at 23. LIPO

You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPO

Inconsistent messaging

People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23

Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ


To say its not close is not right

At all

Luka is better.

Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.

We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now.

Captive of the moment. Luka is playing in the 1st round of the playoffs in a league where everyone is allergic to playing defense and the rules are geared towards offense. Bird could post up and was a million times better shooter from distance than Luka. He also won championships and mvps (and was even all-defense a few times). Hell, he still scored 20 a game as a 35 year old cripple.

Save the Luka is better stuff for 10 years from now when he has a body of work to compare.

This is such a dumb take. Scoring isn’t up because guys don’t play defense, it’s up because teams realized how valuable 3 point shots are and that more 3 point shooters creates space. Guys play harder on defense than ever before with having to rotate around to shooters.

The glory teams of yesteryear played great defense because there were always two giant oafs standing in the paint. Not because they tried harder or cared more.

They don't play defense, and the league has changed the rules to inhibit a defender's ability to stop penetration. Guys walk down the lane unimpeded because you can't hand check anymore. Guys play harder on defense than ever before...LMAO. Okay, dude.

Pippen and Jordan are laughing their asses off at @TheKobeStopper assertion.

Dudes got out and flat locked opponents down.

See also Gary Payton.

Nobody defends like that today. The defensive player of the year this season was Rudy fucking Gobert, for Christ’s sake.

Ok and I could name Kawhi, Lebron and Chris Paul who were lockdown guys in their prime. You’re just naming outlier defenders.

In 2011 Lebron would guard reigning MVP Derrick Rose at the end of games and Rose couldn’t do shit. Do you know why? Because the Bulls had Gibson and Noah clogging up the paint.

In 2015 Andre Igoudala won the Finals MVP for guarding Lebron and holding him to 39% shooting. The next year Lebron shot 50% against the same team. You want to know why?

Because in 2015 Kevin Love was hurt and the Cavs played Mozgov and Tristan Thompson a ton. In 2016 those minutes were replaced with Kevin Love and Richard Jefferson. Shooters.

And like I said, you just named outliers. Most defense back then was standing around and watching. I’m not taking anything away from the great defenders but the “nobody cares” narrative is bullshit. Good defense now bust their asses running around.

So much easier to play defense back then. Tons of standing around, double teams were illegal until a player had the ball, and there were always multiple non shooters to sag off of. There were also dinosaur coaches that wouldn’t slow a player to shoot three’s off the dribble. Now with a premium on shooting and ball handling, it’s harder to defend.

Wouldn't it be harder to play defense when double teams were illegal until a player had the ball? Think about that sentence again.

I've watched enough games the past couple months of the regular season to see that players don't care about defense. In the playoffs they try harder, and the teams are generally better.

Teams regularly scoring in the 130's and 140's is not reflective of good defense and "good offense" does not account for all of that increase. The lack of caring is also reflected by star players sitting out 10-15 games a year, load managing, etc. The league is soft.

EwaDawg said:

PurpleThrobber said:

RaceBannon said:

You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.

Pick

Larry Fucking Bird. All day, every day.

This is how I know the correct answer is LUKA.