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Quite honestly I don't disagree. But he needs to close out the series and then that's two for two against LeonardBleachedAnusDawg said:
All well true, and he's super young and they're still winning against the gutless Clips, but he had 2 points in the 4th, turnovers and bricks at the end, and that has been the case in the other games this series. He's not a closer, yet.RaceBannon said:
You try carrying a team. 3-2. Leonard with the airball andBleachedAnusDawg said:Luka had a hell of a game, but he did everything he could to give it away at the end with bad decisions. 4th quarters he has been mostly bad in every game.
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People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23DerekJohnson said:
You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPORaceBannon said:
I think its close at 23. LIPOKaepsknee said:
Larry.RaceBannon said:You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.
Pick
And it’s not close.
@WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
Inconsistent messaging
Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ
To say its not close is not right
At all -
You think I'm watching the NBA? The only time I've seen Luka was the clip of him flirting with the female refRaceBannon said:
People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23DerekJohnson said:
You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPORaceBannon said:
I think its close at 23. LIPOKaepsknee said:
Larry.RaceBannon said:You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.
Pick
And it’s not close.
@WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
Inconsistent messaging
Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ
To say its not close is not right
At all -
I believe the kids would say - stay in your laneDerekJohnson said:
You think I'm watching the NBA? The only time I've seen Luka was the clip of him flirting with the female refRaceBannon said:
People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23DerekJohnson said:
You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPORaceBannon said:
I think its close at 23. LIPOKaepsknee said:
Larry.RaceBannon said:You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.
Pick
And it’s not close.
@WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
Inconsistent messaging
Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ
To say its not close is not right
At all
NBA is my wheelhouse -
Its also well known that I hate white players hence my jihad against Larry but this Luka kid can really play. To be fair so could Larry but still
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Pump the brakes on the Desoto. This is the Clippers we’re talking about. The Clippers. Kawai hasn’t been Kawai since He arrived to the Clippers.RaceBannon said:Its also well known that I hate white players hence my jihad against Larry but this Luka kid can really play. To be fair so could Larry but still
Once He beats someone besides the Clippers than you can take your foot off of the brake again. -
They beat the Clippers in the second round last year so they beat someone else. Can't remember who. Then the Lakers sent him packing rather easilyKaepsknee said:I
Pump the brakes on the Desoto. This is the Clippers we’re talking about. The Clippers. Kawai hasn’t been Kawai since He arrived to the Clippers.RaceBannon said:Its also well known that I hate white players hence my jihad against Larry but this Luka kid can really play. To be fair so could Larry but still
Once He beats someone besides the Clippers than you can take your foot off of the brake again.
Point is at 22 he's on a nice track. And ahead of Larry Legend -
He beat the Clippers in the 1st round and then lost to Denver.RaceBannon said:
They beat the Clippers in the second round last year so they beat someone else. Can't remember who. Then the Lakers sent him packing rather easilyKaepsknee said:I
Pump the brakes on the Desoto. This is the Clippers we’re talking about. The Clippers. Kawai hasn’t been Kawai since He arrived to the Clippers.RaceBannon said:Its also well known that I hate white players hence my jihad against Larry but this Luka kid can really play. To be fair so could Larry but still
Once He beats someone besides the Clippers than you can take your foot off of the brake again.
Point is at 22 he's on a nice track. And ahead of Larry Legend
Foot on the brake.
EDIT: Luka didn’t beat anyone last year. He got beat by the Clippers in the 1st round.
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Actually they lost to the clips in the first round
All gas no brakes -
Denver was last year's destroyer of Clipper dreams then they met the Champs
In our defense the playoffs started in August so no one watched -
Luka is better.RaceBannon said:
People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23DerekJohnson said:
You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPORaceBannon said:
I think its close at 23. LIPOKaepsknee said:
Larry.RaceBannon said:You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.
Pick
And it’s not close.
@WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
Inconsistent messaging
Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ
To say its not close is not right
At all
Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.
We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now. -
Captive of the moment. Luka is playing in the 1st round of the playoffs in a league where everyone is allergic to playing defense and the rules are geared towards offense. Bird could post up and was a million times better shooter from distance than Luka. He also won championships and mvps (and was even all-defense a few times). Hell, he still scored 20 a game as a 35 year old cripple.RoadDawg55 said:
Luka is better.RaceBannon said:
People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23DerekJohnson said:
You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPORaceBannon said:
I think its close at 23. LIPOKaepsknee said:
Larry.RaceBannon said:You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.
Pick
And it’s not close.
@WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
Inconsistent messaging
Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ
To say its not close is not right
At all
Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.
We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now.
Save the Luka is better stuff for 10 years from now when he has a body of work to compare. -
This is such a dumb take. Scoring isn’t up because guys don’t play defense, it’s up because teams realized how valuable 3 point shots are and that more 3 point shooters creates space. Guys play harder on defense than ever before with having to rotate around to shooters.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Captive of the moment. Luka is playing in the 1st round of the playoffs in a league where everyone is allergic to playing defense and the rules are geared towards offense. Bird could post up and was a million times better shooter from distance than Luka. He also won championships and mvps (and was even all-defense a few times). Hell, he still scored 20 a game as a 35 year old cripple.RoadDawg55 said:
Luka is better.RaceBannon said:
People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23DerekJohnson said:
You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPORaceBannon said:
I think its close at 23. LIPOKaepsknee said:
Larry.RaceBannon said:You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.
Pick
And it’s not close.
@WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
Inconsistent messaging
Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ
To say its not close is not right
At all
Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.
We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now.
Save the Luka is better stuff for 10 years from now when he has a body of work to compare.
The glory teams of yesteryear played great defense because there were always two giant oafs standing in the paint. Not because they tried harder or cared more. -
They try hard rotate on D so much that most 3 pt attempts are uncontested. There are still great defensive players in the league. But no great defensive teams.TheKobeStopper said:
This is such a dumb take. Scoring isn’t up because guys don’t play defense, it’s up because teams realized how valuable 3 point shots are and that more 3 point shooters creates space. Guys play harder on defense than ever before with having to rotate around to shooters.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Captive of the moment. Luka is playing in the 1st round of the playoffs in a league where everyone is allergic to playing defense and the rules are geared towards offense. Bird could post up and was a million times better shooter from distance than Luka. He also won championships and mvps (and was even all-defense a few times). Hell, he still scored 20 a game as a 35 year old cripple.RoadDawg55 said:
Luka is better.RaceBannon said:
People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23DerekJohnson said:
You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPORaceBannon said:
I think its close at 23. LIPOKaepsknee said:
Larry.RaceBannon said:You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.
Pick
And it’s not close.
@WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
Inconsistent messaging
Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ
To say its not close is not right
At all
Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.
We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now.
Save the Luka is better stuff for 10 years from now when he has a body of work to compare.
The glory teams of yesteryear played great defense because there were always two giant oafs standing in the paint. Not because they tried harder or cared more.
You either hit the 3 and win or don’t and lose.
Good NBA “defense” is a game of chance nowadays. -
They don't play defense, and the league has changed the rules to inhibit a defender's ability to stop penetration. Guys walk down the lane unimpeded because you can't hand check anymore. Guys play harder on defense than ever before...LMAO. Okay, dude.TheKobeStopper said:
This is such a dumb take. Scoring isn’t up because guys don’t play defense, it’s up because teams realized how valuable 3 point shots are and that more 3 point shooters creates space. Guys play harder on defense than ever before with having to rotate around to shooters.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Captive of the moment. Luka is playing in the 1st round of the playoffs in a league where everyone is allergic to playing defense and the rules are geared towards offense. Bird could post up and was a million times better shooter from distance than Luka. He also won championships and mvps (and was even all-defense a few times). Hell, he still scored 20 a game as a 35 year old cripple.RoadDawg55 said:
Luka is better.RaceBannon said:
People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23DerekJohnson said:
You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPORaceBannon said:
I think its close at 23. LIPOKaepsknee said:
Larry.RaceBannon said:You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.
Pick
And it’s not close.
@WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
Inconsistent messaging
Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ
To say its not close is not right
At all
Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.
We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now.
Save the Luka is better stuff for 10 years from now when he has a body of work to compare.
The glory teams of yesteryear played great defense because there were always two giant oafs standing in the paint. Not because they tried harder or cared more. -
Pippen and Jordan are laughing their asses off at @TheKobeStopper assertion.BleachedAnusDawg said:
They don't play defense, and the league has changed the rules to inhibit a defender's ability to stop penetration. Guys walk down the lane unimpeded because you can't hand check anymore. Guys play harder on defense than ever before...LMAO. Okay, dude.TheKobeStopper said:
This is such a dumb take. Scoring isn’t up because guys don’t play defense, it’s up because teams realized how valuable 3 point shots are and that more 3 point shooters creates space. Guys play harder on defense than ever before with having to rotate around to shooters.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Captive of the moment. Luka is playing in the 1st round of the playoffs in a league where everyone is allergic to playing defense and the rules are geared towards offense. Bird could post up and was a million times better shooter from distance than Luka. He also won championships and mvps (and was even all-defense a few times). Hell, he still scored 20 a game as a 35 year old cripple.RoadDawg55 said:
Luka is better.RaceBannon said:
People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23DerekJohnson said:
You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPORaceBannon said:
I think its close at 23. LIPOKaepsknee said:
Larry.RaceBannon said:You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.
Pick
And it’s not close.
@WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
Inconsistent messaging
Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ
To say its not close is not right
At all
Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.
We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now.
Save the Luka is better stuff for 10 years from now when he has a body of work to compare.
The glory teams of yesteryear played great defense because there were always two giant oafs standing in the paint. Not because they tried harder or cared more.
Dudes got out and flat locked opponents down.
See also Gary Payton.
Nobody defends like that today. The defensive player of the year this season was Rudy fucking Gobert, for Christ’s sake.
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Okay Mr Front-RunnerRaceBannon said:
I believe the kids would say - stay in your laneDerekJohnson said:
You think I'm watching the NBA? The only time I've seen Luka was the clip of him flirting with the female refRaceBannon said:
People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23DerekJohnson said:
You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPORaceBannon said:
I think its close at 23. LIPOKaepsknee said:
Larry.RaceBannon said:You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.
Pick
And it’s not close.
@WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
Inconsistent messaging
Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ
To say its not close is not right
At all
NBA is my wheelhouse -
They desperately need to change the foul calling. When stars are hunting for fouls instead of just trying to make shots, you have a rapidly degrading product.
Fouls should just be if you hit a shooter's hand/arm hard enough to actually change their dribble or shot. You should be able to set a precedent of consistency with that. You should be able to touch the goddamn ball handler.
Biggest example was the Blazers Suns game at the end of the season. Powell touches Booker's hand, doesn't change his shot whatsoever, he just flat misses, and gets game winning free throw attempts. -
Ok and I could name Kawhi, Lebron and Chris Paul who were lockdown guys in their prime. You’re just naming outlier defenders.PurpleThrobber said:
Pippen and Jordan are laughing their asses off at @TheKobeStopper assertion.BleachedAnusDawg said:
They don't play defense, and the league has changed the rules to inhibit a defender's ability to stop penetration. Guys walk down the lane unimpeded because you can't hand check anymore. Guys play harder on defense than ever before...LMAO. Okay, dude.TheKobeStopper said:
This is such a dumb take. Scoring isn’t up because guys don’t play defense, it’s up because teams realized how valuable 3 point shots are and that more 3 point shooters creates space. Guys play harder on defense than ever before with having to rotate around to shooters.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Captive of the moment. Luka is playing in the 1st round of the playoffs in a league where everyone is allergic to playing defense and the rules are geared towards offense. Bird could post up and was a million times better shooter from distance than Luka. He also won championships and mvps (and was even all-defense a few times). Hell, he still scored 20 a game as a 35 year old cripple.RoadDawg55 said:
Luka is better.RaceBannon said:
People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23DerekJohnson said:
You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPORaceBannon said:
I think its close at 23. LIPOKaepsknee said:
Larry.RaceBannon said:You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.
Pick
And it’s not close.
@WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
Inconsistent messaging
Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ
To say its not close is not right
At all
Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.
We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now.
Save the Luka is better stuff for 10 years from now when he has a body of work to compare.
The glory teams of yesteryear played great defense because there were always two giant oafs standing in the paint. Not because they tried harder or cared more.
Dudes got out and flat locked opponents down.
See also Gary Payton.
Nobody defends like that today. The defensive player of the year this season was Rudy fucking Gobert, for Christ’s sake.
In 2011 Lebron would guard reigning MVP Derrick Rose at the end of games and Rose couldn’t do shit. Do you know why? Because the Bulls had Gibson and Noah clogging up the paint.
In 2015 Andre Igoudala won the Finals MVP for guarding Lebron and holding him to 39% shooting. The next year Lebron shot 50% against the same team. You want to know why?
Because in 2015 Kevin Love was hurt and the Cavs played Mozgov and Tristan Thompson a ton. In 2016 those minutes were replaced with Kevin Love and Richard Jefferson. Shooters.
And like I said, you just named outliers. Most defense back then was standing around and watching. I’m not taking anything away from the great defenders but the “nobody cares” narrative is bullshit. Good defense now bust their asses running around. -
#MyMavs
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"Outliers'.TheKobeStopper said:
Ok and I could name Kawhi, Lebron and Chris Paul who were lockdown guys in their prime. You’re just naming outlier defenders.PurpleThrobber said:
Pippen and Jordan are laughing their asses off at @TheKobeStopper assertion.BleachedAnusDawg said:
They don't play defense, and the league has changed the rules to inhibit a defender's ability to stop penetration. Guys walk down the lane unimpeded because you can't hand check anymore. Guys play harder on defense than ever before...LMAO. Okay, dude.TheKobeStopper said:
This is such a dumb take. Scoring isn’t up because guys don’t play defense, it’s up because teams realized how valuable 3 point shots are and that more 3 point shooters creates space. Guys play harder on defense than ever before with having to rotate around to shooters.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Captive of the moment. Luka is playing in the 1st round of the playoffs in a league where everyone is allergic to playing defense and the rules are geared towards offense. Bird could post up and was a million times better shooter from distance than Luka. He also won championships and mvps (and was even all-defense a few times). Hell, he still scored 20 a game as a 35 year old cripple.RoadDawg55 said:
Luka is better.RaceBannon said:
People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23DerekJohnson said:
You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPORaceBannon said:
I think its close at 23. LIPOKaepsknee said:
Larry.RaceBannon said:You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.
Pick
And it’s not close.
@WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
Inconsistent messaging
Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ
To say its not close is not right
At all
Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.
We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now.
Save the Luka is better stuff for 10 years from now when he has a body of work to compare.
The glory teams of yesteryear played great defense because there were always two giant oafs standing in the paint. Not because they tried harder or cared more.
Dudes got out and flat locked opponents down.
See also Gary Payton.
Nobody defends like that today. The defensive player of the year this season was Rudy fucking Gobert, for Christ’s sake.
In 2011 Lebron would guard reigning MVP Derrick Rose at the end of games and Rose couldn’t do shit. Do you know why? Because the Bulls had Gibson and Noah clogging up the paint.
In 2015 Andre Igoudala won the Finals MVP for guarding Lebron and holding him to 39% shooting. The next year Lebron shot 50% against the same team. You want to know why?
Because in 2015 Kevin Love was hurt and the Cavs played Mozgov and Tristan Thompson a ton. In 2016 those minutes were replaced with Kevin Love and Richard Jefferson. Shooters.
And like I said, you just named outliers. Most defense back then was standing around and watching. I’m not taking anything away from the great defenders but the “nobody cares” narrative is bullshit. Good defense now bust their asses running around.
Fuck off with that bullshit. Kawhi is an outlier.
You weren't playing in the NBA if you couldn't defend in the 80's and 90's. GTFO out of here with that bullshit.
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So much easier to play defense back then. Tons of standing around, double teams were illegal until a player had the ball, and there were always multiple non shooters to sag off of. There were also dinosaur coaches that wouldn’t slow a player to shoot three’s off the dribble. Now with a premium on shooting and ball handling, it’s harder to defend.TheKobeStopper said:
Ok and I could name Kawhi, Lebron and Chris Paul who were lockdown guys in their prime. You’re just naming outlier defenders.PurpleThrobber said:
Pippen and Jordan are laughing their asses off at @TheKobeStopper assertion.BleachedAnusDawg said:
They don't play defense, and the league has changed the rules to inhibit a defender's ability to stop penetration. Guys walk down the lane unimpeded because you can't hand check anymore. Guys play harder on defense than ever before...LMAO. Okay, dude.TheKobeStopper said:
This is such a dumb take. Scoring isn’t up because guys don’t play defense, it’s up because teams realized how valuable 3 point shots are and that more 3 point shooters creates space. Guys play harder on defense than ever before with having to rotate around to shooters.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Captive of the moment. Luka is playing in the 1st round of the playoffs in a league where everyone is allergic to playing defense and the rules are geared towards offense. Bird could post up and was a million times better shooter from distance than Luka. He also won championships and mvps (and was even all-defense a few times). Hell, he still scored 20 a game as a 35 year old cripple.RoadDawg55 said:
Luka is better.RaceBannon said:
People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23DerekJohnson said:
You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPORaceBannon said:
I think its close at 23. LIPOKaepsknee said:
Larry.RaceBannon said:You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.
Pick
And it’s not close.
@WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
Inconsistent messaging
Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ
To say its not close is not right
At all
Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.
We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now.
Save the Luka is better stuff for 10 years from now when he has a body of work to compare.
The glory teams of yesteryear played great defense because there were always two giant oafs standing in the paint. Not because they tried harder or cared more.
Dudes got out and flat locked opponents down.
See also Gary Payton.
Nobody defends like that today. The defensive player of the year this season was Rudy fucking Gobert, for Christ’s sake.
In 2011 Lebron would guard reigning MVP Derrick Rose at the end of games and Rose couldn’t do shit. Do you know why? Because the Bulls had Gibson and Noah clogging up the paint.
In 2015 Andre Igoudala won the Finals MVP for guarding Lebron and holding him to 39% shooting. The next year Lebron shot 50% against the same team. You want to know why?
Because in 2015 Kevin Love was hurt and the Cavs played Mozgov and Tristan Thompson a ton. In 2016 those minutes were replaced with Kevin Love and Richard Jefferson. Shooters.
And like I said, you just named outliers. Most defense back then was standing around and watching. I’m not taking anything away from the great defenders but the “nobody cares” narrative is bullshit. Good defense now bust their asses running around. -
There are good defensive players around the league. But there are no good defensive teams. Supposedly the Lakers were. Until they weren’t.TheKobeStopper said:
Ok and I could name Kawhi, Lebron and Chris Paul who were lockdown guys in their prime. You’re just naming outlier defenders.PurpleThrobber said:
Pippen and Jordan are laughing their asses off at @TheKobeStopper assertion.BleachedAnusDawg said:
They don't play defense, and the league has changed the rules to inhibit a defender's ability to stop penetration. Guys walk down the lane unimpeded because you can't hand check anymore. Guys play harder on defense than ever before...LMAO. Okay, dude.TheKobeStopper said:
This is such a dumb take. Scoring isn’t up because guys don’t play defense, it’s up because teams realized how valuable 3 point shots are and that more 3 point shooters creates space. Guys play harder on defense than ever before with having to rotate around to shooters.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Captive of the moment. Luka is playing in the 1st round of the playoffs in a league where everyone is allergic to playing defense and the rules are geared towards offense. Bird could post up and was a million times better shooter from distance than Luka. He also won championships and mvps (and was even all-defense a few times). Hell, he still scored 20 a game as a 35 year old cripple.RoadDawg55 said:
Luka is better.RaceBannon said:
People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23DerekJohnson said:
You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPORaceBannon said:
I think its close at 23. LIPOKaepsknee said:
Larry.RaceBannon said:You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.
Pick
And it’s not close.
@WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
Inconsistent messaging
Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ
To say its not close is not right
At all
Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.
We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now.
Save the Luka is better stuff for 10 years from now when he has a body of work to compare.
The glory teams of yesteryear played great defense because there were always two giant oafs standing in the paint. Not because they tried harder or cared more.
Dudes got out and flat locked opponents down.
See also Gary Payton.
Nobody defends like that today. The defensive player of the year this season was Rudy fucking Gobert, for Christ’s sake.
In 2011 Lebron would guard reigning MVP Derrick Rose at the end of games and Rose couldn’t do shit. Do you know why? Because the Bulls had Gibson and Noah clogging up the paint.
In 2015 Andre Igoudala won the Finals MVP for guarding Lebron and holding him to 39% shooting. The next year Lebron shot 50% against the same team. You want to know why?
Because in 2015 Kevin Love was hurt and the Cavs played Mozgov and Tristan Thompson a ton. In 2016 those minutes were replaced with Kevin Love and Richard Jefferson. Shooters.
And like I said, you just named outliers. Most defense back then was standing around and watching. I’m not taking anything away from the great defenders but the “nobody cares” narrative is bullshit. Good defense now bust their asses running around. -
Quality trolling.RoadDawg55 said:
So much easier to play defense back then. Tons of standing around, double teams were illegal until a player had the ball, and there were always multiple non shooters to sag off of. There were also dinosaur coaches that wouldn’t slow a player to shoot three’s off the dribble. Now with a premium on shooting and ball handling, it’s harder to defend.TheKobeStopper said:
Ok and I could name Kawhi, Lebron and Chris Paul who were lockdown guys in their prime. You’re just naming outlier defenders.PurpleThrobber said:
Pippen and Jordan are laughing their asses off at @TheKobeStopper assertion.BleachedAnusDawg said:
They don't play defense, and the league has changed the rules to inhibit a defender's ability to stop penetration. Guys walk down the lane unimpeded because you can't hand check anymore. Guys play harder on defense than ever before...LMAO. Okay, dude.TheKobeStopper said:
This is such a dumb take. Scoring isn’t up because guys don’t play defense, it’s up because teams realized how valuable 3 point shots are and that more 3 point shooters creates space. Guys play harder on defense than ever before with having to rotate around to shooters.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Captive of the moment. Luka is playing in the 1st round of the playoffs in a league where everyone is allergic to playing defense and the rules are geared towards offense. Bird could post up and was a million times better shooter from distance than Luka. He also won championships and mvps (and was even all-defense a few times). Hell, he still scored 20 a game as a 35 year old cripple.RoadDawg55 said:
Luka is better.RaceBannon said:
People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23DerekJohnson said:
You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPORaceBannon said:
I think its close at 23. LIPOKaepsknee said:
Larry.RaceBannon said:You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.
Pick
And it’s not close.
@WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
Inconsistent messaging
Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ
To say its not close is not right
At all
Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.
We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now.
Save the Luka is better stuff for 10 years from now when he has a body of work to compare.
The glory teams of yesteryear played great defense because there were always two giant oafs standing in the paint. Not because they tried harder or cared more.
Dudes got out and flat locked opponents down.
See also Gary Payton.
Nobody defends like that today. The defensive player of the year this season was Rudy fucking Gobert, for Christ’s sake.
In 2011 Lebron would guard reigning MVP Derrick Rose at the end of games and Rose couldn’t do shit. Do you know why? Because the Bulls had Gibson and Noah clogging up the paint.
In 2015 Andre Igoudala won the Finals MVP for guarding Lebron and holding him to 39% shooting. The next year Lebron shot 50% against the same team. You want to know why?
Because in 2015 Kevin Love was hurt and the Cavs played Mozgov and Tristan Thompson a ton. In 2016 those minutes were replaced with Kevin Love and Richard Jefferson. Shooters.
And like I said, you just named outliers. Most defense back then was standing around and watching. I’m not taking anything away from the great defenders but the “nobody cares” narrative is bullshit. Good defense now bust their asses running around.
The Denver Nuggets passing game was 'standing around'. Riiiiight.
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Wouldn't it be harder to play defense when double teams were illegal until a player had the ball? Think about that sentence again.RoadDawg55 said:
So much easier to play defense back then. Tons of standing around, double teams were illegal until a player had the ball, and there were always multiple non shooters to sag off of. There were also dinosaur coaches that wouldn’t slow a player to shoot three’s off the dribble. Now with a premium on shooting and ball handling, it’s harder to defend.TheKobeStopper said:
Ok and I could name Kawhi, Lebron and Chris Paul who were lockdown guys in their prime. You’re just naming outlier defenders.PurpleThrobber said:
Pippen and Jordan are laughing their asses off at @TheKobeStopper assertion.BleachedAnusDawg said:
They don't play defense, and the league has changed the rules to inhibit a defender's ability to stop penetration. Guys walk down the lane unimpeded because you can't hand check anymore. Guys play harder on defense than ever before...LMAO. Okay, dude.TheKobeStopper said:
This is such a dumb take. Scoring isn’t up because guys don’t play defense, it’s up because teams realized how valuable 3 point shots are and that more 3 point shooters creates space. Guys play harder on defense than ever before with having to rotate around to shooters.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Captive of the moment. Luka is playing in the 1st round of the playoffs in a league where everyone is allergic to playing defense and the rules are geared towards offense. Bird could post up and was a million times better shooter from distance than Luka. He also won championships and mvps (and was even all-defense a few times). Hell, he still scored 20 a game as a 35 year old cripple.RoadDawg55 said:
Luka is better.RaceBannon said:
People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23DerekJohnson said:
You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPORaceBannon said:
I think its close at 23. LIPOKaepsknee said:
Larry.RaceBannon said:You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.
Pick
And it’s not close.
@WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
Inconsistent messaging
Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ
To say its not close is not right
At all
Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.
We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now.
Save the Luka is better stuff for 10 years from now when he has a body of work to compare.
The glory teams of yesteryear played great defense because there were always two giant oafs standing in the paint. Not because they tried harder or cared more.
Dudes got out and flat locked opponents down.
See also Gary Payton.
Nobody defends like that today. The defensive player of the year this season was Rudy fucking Gobert, for Christ’s sake.
In 2011 Lebron would guard reigning MVP Derrick Rose at the end of games and Rose couldn’t do shit. Do you know why? Because the Bulls had Gibson and Noah clogging up the paint.
In 2015 Andre Igoudala won the Finals MVP for guarding Lebron and holding him to 39% shooting. The next year Lebron shot 50% against the same team. You want to know why?
Because in 2015 Kevin Love was hurt and the Cavs played Mozgov and Tristan Thompson a ton. In 2016 those minutes were replaced with Kevin Love and Richard Jefferson. Shooters.
And like I said, you just named outliers. Most defense back then was standing around and watching. I’m not taking anything away from the great defenders but the “nobody cares” narrative is bullshit. Good defense now bust their asses running around.
I've watched enough games the past couple months of the regular season to see that players don't care about defense. In the playoffs they try harder, and the teams are generally better.
Teams regularly scoring in the 130's and 140's is not reflective of good defense and "good offense" does not account for all of that increase. The lack of caring is also reflected by star players sitting out 10-15 games a year, load managing, etc. The league is soft. -
I will say I agree that players and coaches care less about the regular season now than ever before. But that’s always been a thing to some degree. Jordan’s whole thing and why they won 72 games was because he brought it every night and that was unique.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Wouldn't it be harder to play defense when double teams were illegal until a player had the ball? Think about that sentence again.RoadDawg55 said:
So much easier to play defense back then. Tons of standing around, double teams were illegal until a player had the ball, and there were always multiple non shooters to sag off of. There were also dinosaur coaches that wouldn’t slow a player to shoot three’s off the dribble. Now with a premium on shooting and ball handling, it’s harder to defend.TheKobeStopper said:
Ok and I could name Kawhi, Lebron and Chris Paul who were lockdown guys in their prime. You’re just naming outlier defenders.PurpleThrobber said:
Pippen and Jordan are laughing their asses off at @TheKobeStopper assertion.BleachedAnusDawg said:
They don't play defense, and the league has changed the rules to inhibit a defender's ability to stop penetration. Guys walk down the lane unimpeded because you can't hand check anymore. Guys play harder on defense than ever before...LMAO. Okay, dude.TheKobeStopper said:
This is such a dumb take. Scoring isn’t up because guys don’t play defense, it’s up because teams realized how valuable 3 point shots are and that more 3 point shooters creates space. Guys play harder on defense than ever before with having to rotate around to shooters.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Captive of the moment. Luka is playing in the 1st round of the playoffs in a league where everyone is allergic to playing defense and the rules are geared towards offense. Bird could post up and was a million times better shooter from distance than Luka. He also won championships and mvps (and was even all-defense a few times). Hell, he still scored 20 a game as a 35 year old cripple.RoadDawg55 said:
Luka is better.RaceBannon said:
People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23DerekJohnson said:
You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPORaceBannon said:
I think its close at 23. LIPOKaepsknee said:
Larry.RaceBannon said:You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.
Pick
And it’s not close.
@WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
Inconsistent messaging
Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ
To say its not close is not right
At all
Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.
We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now.
Save the Luka is better stuff for 10 years from now when he has a body of work to compare.
The glory teams of yesteryear played great defense because there were always two giant oafs standing in the paint. Not because they tried harder or cared more.
Dudes got out and flat locked opponents down.
See also Gary Payton.
Nobody defends like that today. The defensive player of the year this season was Rudy fucking Gobert, for Christ’s sake.
In 2011 Lebron would guard reigning MVP Derrick Rose at the end of games and Rose couldn’t do shit. Do you know why? Because the Bulls had Gibson and Noah clogging up the paint.
In 2015 Andre Igoudala won the Finals MVP for guarding Lebron and holding him to 39% shooting. The next year Lebron shot 50% against the same team. You want to know why?
Because in 2015 Kevin Love was hurt and the Cavs played Mozgov and Tristan Thompson a ton. In 2016 those minutes were replaced with Kevin Love and Richard Jefferson. Shooters.
And like I said, you just named outliers. Most defense back then was standing around and watching. I’m not taking anything away from the great defenders but the “nobody cares” narrative is bullshit. Good defense now bust their asses running around.
I've watched enough games the past couple months of the regular season to see that players don't care about defense. In the playoffs they try harder, and the teams are generally better.
Teams regularly scoring in the 130's and 140's is not reflective of good defense and "good offense" does not account for all of that increase. The lack of caring is also reflected by star players sitting out 10-15 games a year, load managing, etc. The league is soft. -
It rarely works when teams try to turn it on for the playoffs.TheKobeStopper said:
I will say I agree that players and coaches care less about the regular season now than ever before. But that’s always been a thing to some degree. Jordan’s whole thing and why they won 72 games was because he brought it every night and that was unique.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Wouldn't it be harder to play defense when double teams were illegal until a player had the ball? Think about that sentence again.RoadDawg55 said:
So much easier to play defense back then. Tons of standing around, double teams were illegal until a player had the ball, and there were always multiple non shooters to sag off of. There were also dinosaur coaches that wouldn’t slow a player to shoot three’s off the dribble. Now with a premium on shooting and ball handling, it’s harder to defend.TheKobeStopper said:
Ok and I could name Kawhi, Lebron and Chris Paul who were lockdown guys in their prime. You’re just naming outlier defenders.PurpleThrobber said:
Pippen and Jordan are laughing their asses off at @TheKobeStopper assertion.BleachedAnusDawg said:
They don't play defense, and the league has changed the rules to inhibit a defender's ability to stop penetration. Guys walk down the lane unimpeded because you can't hand check anymore. Guys play harder on defense than ever before...LMAO. Okay, dude.TheKobeStopper said:
This is such a dumb take. Scoring isn’t up because guys don’t play defense, it’s up because teams realized how valuable 3 point shots are and that more 3 point shooters creates space. Guys play harder on defense than ever before with having to rotate around to shooters.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Captive of the moment. Luka is playing in the 1st round of the playoffs in a league where everyone is allergic to playing defense and the rules are geared towards offense. Bird could post up and was a million times better shooter from distance than Luka. He also won championships and mvps (and was even all-defense a few times). Hell, he still scored 20 a game as a 35 year old cripple.RoadDawg55 said:
Luka is better.RaceBannon said:
People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23DerekJohnson said:
You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPORaceBannon said:
I think its close at 23. LIPOKaepsknee said:
Larry.RaceBannon said:You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.
Pick
And it’s not close.
@WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
Inconsistent messaging
Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ
To say its not close is not right
At all
Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.
We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now.
Save the Luka is better stuff for 10 years from now when he has a body of work to compare.
The glory teams of yesteryear played great defense because there were always two giant oafs standing in the paint. Not because they tried harder or cared more.
Dudes got out and flat locked opponents down.
See also Gary Payton.
Nobody defends like that today. The defensive player of the year this season was Rudy fucking Gobert, for Christ’s sake.
In 2011 Lebron would guard reigning MVP Derrick Rose at the end of games and Rose couldn’t do shit. Do you know why? Because the Bulls had Gibson and Noah clogging up the paint.
In 2015 Andre Igoudala won the Finals MVP for guarding Lebron and holding him to 39% shooting. The next year Lebron shot 50% against the same team. You want to know why?
Because in 2015 Kevin Love was hurt and the Cavs played Mozgov and Tristan Thompson a ton. In 2016 those minutes were replaced with Kevin Love and Richard Jefferson. Shooters.
And like I said, you just named outliers. Most defense back then was standing around and watching. I’m not taking anything away from the great defenders but the “nobody cares” narrative is bullshit. Good defense now bust their asses running around.
I've watched enough games the past couple months of the regular season to see that players don't care about defense. In the playoffs they try harder, and the teams are generally better.
Teams regularly scoring in the 130's and 140's is not reflective of good defense and "good offense" does not account for all of that increase. The lack of caring is also reflected by star players sitting out 10-15 games a year, load managing, etc. The league is soft. -
Yeah, dumb point by me. The rest is valid. It was easier to play defense when 3-4 non shooters were on the floor. They didn’t have to worry about PG’s pulling 3’s off the dribble. The offense is way better now and I’m not sure how that can be argued.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Wouldn't it be harder to play defense when double teams were illegal until a player had the ball? Think about that sentence again.RoadDawg55 said:
So much easier to play defense back then. Tons of standing around, double teams were illegal until a player had the ball, and there were always multiple non shooters to sag off of. There were also dinosaur coaches that wouldn’t slow a player to shoot three’s off the dribble. Now with a premium on shooting and ball handling, it’s harder to defend.TheKobeStopper said:
Ok and I could name Kawhi, Lebron and Chris Paul who were lockdown guys in their prime. You’re just naming outlier defenders.PurpleThrobber said:
Pippen and Jordan are laughing their asses off at @TheKobeStopper assertion.BleachedAnusDawg said:
They don't play defense, and the league has changed the rules to inhibit a defender's ability to stop penetration. Guys walk down the lane unimpeded because you can't hand check anymore. Guys play harder on defense than ever before...LMAO. Okay, dude.TheKobeStopper said:
This is such a dumb take. Scoring isn’t up because guys don’t play defense, it’s up because teams realized how valuable 3 point shots are and that more 3 point shooters creates space. Guys play harder on defense than ever before with having to rotate around to shooters.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Captive of the moment. Luka is playing in the 1st round of the playoffs in a league where everyone is allergic to playing defense and the rules are geared towards offense. Bird could post up and was a million times better shooter from distance than Luka. He also won championships and mvps (and was even all-defense a few times). Hell, he still scored 20 a game as a 35 year old cripple.RoadDawg55 said:
Luka is better.RaceBannon said:
People forget that Larry Bird was at Indiana State losing to Magic when he was 23DerekJohnson said:
You tell people to pick and then when they do you tell them to LIPORaceBannon said:
I think its close at 23. LIPOKaepsknee said:
Larry.RaceBannon said:You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.
Pick
And it’s not close.
@WilburHooksHands in 3....2.....
Inconsistent messaging
Luka has been a pro since he was 14 and is in his second playoff run with historical numbers that compare to players like MJ
To say its not close is not right
At all
Whoever thinks he will have a short prime hasn’t watched him play. His game isn’t based on athleticism. The size, strength, and skill aren’t going anywhere. If anything, they will continue to improve.
We are watching a potentially all time great. Nobody that is currently in the league, including LeBron was as good at 22 as Doncic is now.
Save the Luka is better stuff for 10 years from now when he has a body of work to compare.
The glory teams of yesteryear played great defense because there were always two giant oafs standing in the paint. Not because they tried harder or cared more.
Dudes got out and flat locked opponents down.
See also Gary Payton.
Nobody defends like that today. The defensive player of the year this season was Rudy fucking Gobert, for Christ’s sake.
In 2011 Lebron would guard reigning MVP Derrick Rose at the end of games and Rose couldn’t do shit. Do you know why? Because the Bulls had Gibson and Noah clogging up the paint.
In 2015 Andre Igoudala won the Finals MVP for guarding Lebron and holding him to 39% shooting. The next year Lebron shot 50% against the same team. You want to know why?
Because in 2015 Kevin Love was hurt and the Cavs played Mozgov and Tristan Thompson a ton. In 2016 those minutes were replaced with Kevin Love and Richard Jefferson. Shooters.
And like I said, you just named outliers. Most defense back then was standing around and watching. I’m not taking anything away from the great defenders but the “nobody cares” narrative is bullshit. Good defense now bust their asses running around.
I've watched enough games the past couple months of the regular season to see that players don't care about defense. In the playoffs they try harder, and the teams are generally better.
Teams regularly scoring in the 130's and 140's is not reflective of good defense and "good offense" does not account for all of that increase. The lack of caring is also reflected by star players sitting out 10-15 games a year, load managing, etc. The league is soft.
The league is softer and friendlier but I don’t think defense has gotten markedly worse. -
This is how I know the correct answer is LUKA.PurpleThrobber said:
Larry Fucking Bird. All day, every day.RaceBannon said:You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.
Pick -
Because at age 23, Larry Bird was in the most watched NCAA title game ever.EwaDawg said:
This is how I know the correct answer is LUKA.PurpleThrobber said:
Larry Fucking Bird. All day, every day.RaceBannon said:You can start a team with 23 year old Luka or 23 year old Larry.
Pick
At 24 Larry Bird won a division title.
At 25 Larry Bird won an NBA title
You’re fucking insane if you thing Luka is going to win a title in the next two years.
Dallas lost in the first round as Luka disappeared in every fourth quarter.
