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Crime of the Century HBO

RaceBannon
RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,705 Founders Club
Just watched part 1 of 2. Wow. Imagine being able to sell pills more addictive than heroin legally.

Nobody looks good in this. Big Pharma, Congress, the DOJ, Clinton, Bush, Chris Dodds, Rudy G.

Legal drug cartel raking in billions. I know this isn't new but I never really cared quite honestly.

I should have.


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  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    I had a pretty major medical issue right on the eve of oxys being a thing. I got a lot of them for about a month. I get the allure. They’re pretty awesome, quite honestly.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,705 Founders Club
    I was fond of vicodin
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,009

    I was fond of vicodin

    @BrettFavreDawg, true?
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,641 Standard Supporter
    Had a former co-workers son die of an OD recently. Sad. But drugs on every corner and in vending machines will fix it.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    Holy shit, the sales song.
  • huskyhooligan
    huskyhooligan Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,920 Swaye's Wigwam
    Relative went to W-BY GOD-VU and got hooked and fortunately got off. Noted the amount of oxy's flooding Morgantown, and witnessed box trucks full of them being offloaded to be distributed around campus and the rest of the area.
  • Bendintheriver
    Bendintheriver Member Posts: 6,999
    Swaye said:

    I somehow managed to avoid the Oxy thing, and also managed to get off the hard stuff. As we can see in my OCD bottle arranging picture the red mans poison is the only habit I can't kick. Firewater, why do I love you so?


    You certainly have excellent taste in rum. Front left bottle is awesome. Can't find it anywhere here where I live.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    Race's rec was enough. However to sweeten the pot for anyone else, it's an Alex Gibney joint. I got about an hour into it before nodding off, really good.

    Another blast from past, 2002 news clip I think: "Rudy Giuliana has agreed to lend his considerable credibility to help Purdue Pharma..."
  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165
    Arguably the most perverse incentive structure we have in today's American economy. Rake in billions by pushing this shit and creating an epidemic, then say sorry by paying a few million in fines. Andrew Yang's proposal of jail time for the CEO and largest shareholder seems to be the only thing that could curb such a lucrative and devastating venture.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    “The only traditions of the Royal Navy are rum, sodomy, and the lash”. Winston Churchill
  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,148 Standard Supporter
    Never taken a pain pill outside of tylenol or ibuprofen. Hope to never have to. Got a prescription for them once for wisdom teeth and I threw it away.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    Cliff notes

    Opioids designed for end of life cancer so it doesn't matter if you got hooked were repackaged with a time release coating and the FDA allowed language in the package that says addiction is unlikely and can be used for all pain.

    The FDA guy that did that got a job with Big Pharm shortly thereafter. Sales force was unleashed to get doctors to buy buy buy. This was in 1995

    Within a year everyone knew that it was highly addictive, people were dying and it was being sold on the street as well as from pill mills like you saw on TV in Justified

    The DOJ finally gets a trial by 2007 and at this point the company had made around 10 billion dollars. The DOJ slapped their wrist with a 600 million dollar fine and no jail

    Congressmen like Dodd and paid guys like Rudy blamed drug addicts not the company pushing the shit on patients and telling them it isn't addictive

    That was part 1. Part 2 is Fentanyl

    Probably the biggest mindblown.jif for me in Part 1, was seeing combines harvesting fields of poppies in Tasmania. I sorta had a thought in the last decade regarding the @Logistics of opioid production, thinking "Damn, that's got to be a lotta Afghani 3rd graders out harvesting with a razor blade." You know, old NatGeo stylee. Turns out, that was neanderthal thinking.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,705 Founders Club

    Cliff notes

    Opioids designed for end of life cancer so it doesn't matter if you got hooked were repackaged with a time release coating and the FDA allowed language in the package that says addiction is unlikely and can be used for all pain.

    The FDA guy that did that got a job with Big Pharm shortly thereafter. Sales force was unleashed to get doctors to buy buy buy. This was in 1995

    Within a year everyone knew that it was highly addictive, people were dying and it was being sold on the street as well as from pill mills like you saw on TV in Justified

    The DOJ finally gets a trial by 2007 and at this point the company had made around 10 billion dollars. The DOJ slapped their wrist with a 600 million dollar fine and no jail

    Congressmen like Dodd and paid guys like Rudy blamed drug addicts not the company pushing the shit on patients and telling them it isn't addictive

    That was part 1. Part 2 is Fentanyl

    Probably the biggest mindblown.jif for me in Part 1, was seeing combines harvesting fields of poppies in Tasmania. I sorta had a thought in the last decade regarding the @Logistics of opioid production, thinking "Damn, that's got to be a lotta Afghani 3rd graders out harvesting with a razor blade." You know, old NatGeo stylee. Turns out, that was neanderthal thinking.
    And baby soft Johnson and Johnson owned the poppy fields and supplied all the manufacturers

    The Mexican Cartels are small tim compared to the full might of American Corporations and Government

    We have all this regulation, allegedly, of the greedy corporations who only care about money but who is regulating the regulators? Congress was bought off as usual
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    Cliff notes

    Opioids designed for end of life cancer so it doesn't matter if you got hooked were repackaged with a time release coating and the FDA allowed language in the package that says addiction is unlikely and can be used for all pain.

    The FDA guy that did that got a job with Big Pharm shortly thereafter. Sales force was unleashed to get doctors to buy buy buy. This was in 1995

    Within a year everyone knew that it was highly addictive, people were dying and it was being sold on the street as well as from pill mills like you saw on TV in Justified

    The DOJ finally gets a trial by 2007 and at this point the company had made around 10 billion dollars. The DOJ slapped their wrist with a 600 million dollar fine and no jail

    Congressmen like Dodd and paid guys like Rudy blamed drug addicts not the company pushing the shit on patients and telling them it isn't addictive

    That was part 1. Part 2 is Fentanyl

    Probably the biggest mindblown.jif for me in Part 1, was seeing combines harvesting fields of poppies in Tasmania. I sorta had a thought in the last decade regarding the @Logistics of opioid production, thinking "Damn, that's got to be a lotta Afghani 3rd graders out harvesting with a razor blade." You know, old NatGeo stylee. Turns out, that was neanderthal thinking.
    And baby soft Johnson and Johnson owned the poppy fields and supplied all the manufacturers

    The Mexican Cartels are small tim compared to the full might of American Corporations and Government

    We have all this regulation, allegedly, of the greedy corporations who only care about money but who is regulating the regulators? Congress was bought off as usual
    Trust the experts.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,881
    edited May 2021
    Most people won't become addicted. Some people even become nauseated by these drugs. But for those with the unlucky genetics (ballpark 10% of the population), they are life altering.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    Didn’t watch whole clip yet, but first few minutes are indistinguishable from interviews in Crime. Just a different drug.
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,661
    I got some Percocet when I got my wisdom teeth out. Made me nauseous so I didn't use em. Was gonna sell them to my aunt one day so when she called to pick them up I couldnt find them. My roommate is like are you serious? I sold that shit months ago? What, you thought I paid for all the booze we drank?
  • RoadTrip
    RoadTrip Member Posts: 8,145

    I was fond of vicodin

    With a couple glasses of wine it's a great buzz.
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913

    Just watched part 1 of 2. Wow. Imagine being able to sell pills more addictive than heroin legally.

    Nobody looks good in this. Big Pharma, Congress, the DOJ, Clinton, Bush, Chris Dodds, Rudy G.

    Legal drug cartel raking in billions. I know this isn't new but I never really cared quite honestly.

    I should have.


    Melania gave a shit.


  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913
    HHusky said:

    Most people won't become addicted. Some people even become nauseated by these drugs. But for those with the unlucky genetics (ballpark 10% of the population), they are life altering.


    You should probably sit this one out.
  • LebamDawg
    LebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,782 Swaye's Wigwam
    I was more a valium kind of guy - but just two years ago they gave me oxy after shoulder surgery - one week and stopped that crap (which was about 4 days too late) hydrocodone is what I use - prescription gives me 20 once a year - I am kind of abusive when it comes to drugs.

    must admit I have used lots of drugs - legal and illegal, but coke and smack was a one time better not do that again. That is life and death in south Seattle when you are young- some stop some don't
  • Goduckies
    Goduckies Member Posts: 7,965
    I had to take percocet when I tore my knee and got an ear and Mrsa infection... I was a mess lol that stuff saved me, but also got me.fired from my job as I was high while working and not my best. But as a branch manager I didn't have a choice. Worked out though, went back to my former employer and had a great career until I got burned out. Be careful of that stuff!
  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165
    Part 2 update - even more infuriating that part 1. Doc does a great job of laying out the supply chain of prescription opioids (shoutout @Logistics) and highlights the DEAs successful efforts to block negligent and greedy distributors from flooding the market with painkillers.

    Enter Reps Marsha Blackburn and Tom Marino, who are spoonfed a bill by big pharma to stop the DEA and allow the distributors to continue to fill absurd pharmacy orders that are beyond the pale of reason, all under the guise of "patient access". Despite dogged protest from the DEA brass on the case, the bill gets nearly unanimous bipartisan support from a sleepwalking congress and gets signed by Obama with almost no public controversy. No one from the DOJ, congress, or Obama ever answer for why they let this lobbyist-drafted bill sweep through. Trump gets elected. His first drug czar? Tom Marino.

    The swamp is alive and well.
  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,537 Standard Supporter

    Oxy and synthetic opiates are bad shit. Have known more than a couple friends who got sucked down that path.

    The throbber flat out refuses to take them. Just not gonna deal with the temptation - and quite honestly, they don't do shit to me compared to smoking weed or getting fucked up drunk. So what's the point?

    Easy to be a saint if you are never tempted. Maybe genetic, but I don't like being stoned. Either maryjane or oxy, percocet or vicodin. On the other hand, ethanol alcohol may be mankind's greatest invention.