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  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,635 Founders Club
    edited May 2021
    So he wrote about the wonders of socialism then?
  • EsophagealFeces
    EsophagealFeces Member Posts: 13,101
    Agree. Liberals definitely seem to hate actual science and logical thought.
  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,425 Founders Club
    edited May 2021
    The right isn't going back through the history of "the arts" and canceling people. Dr Suess say HI!


    Glen thinks 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 12, 13 & 14 apply to you.

    You monkey fucking idiot @TheKobeStopper.

  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,691 Founders Club
    That group is talented and has a valuable perspective, no doubt. But that is also the group that has no problem printing money to achieve their own ends, which are often selfish.

    Not sure you've read 1984 (I personally think you haven't) but that book was 100% about the individual, and abhorred the collective and troglodytes. The first third of the book focused on nothing else in fact.

    Maybe he was a socialist, but he wouldn't stood for the last year of bullshit in any way.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    pawz said:

    The right isn't going back through the history of "the arts" and canceling people. Dr Suess say HI!


    Glen thinks 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 12, 13 & 14 apply to you.

    You monkey fucking idiot @TheKobeStopper.

    The observant among us have poonted out the flipped of the TLAs for 4.5 years. It's bizarre.
  • TheKobeStopper
    TheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959
    pawz said:

    The right isn't going back through the history of "the arts" and canceling people. Dr Suess say HI!


    Glen thinks 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 12, 13 & 14 apply to you.

    You monkey fucking idiot @TheKobeStopper.

    The Seuss estate chose to stop printing racist books that no one ever bought anyways. But you know that and continue to lie about it, it speaks volumes.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,662 Standard Supporter
    Fuck commies, socialists, anarchists, democrats etc. Fuck 'em all!

    Get the revolution going youngster I ain't getting any younger!
  • TheKobeStopper
    TheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959
    haie said:

    That group is talented and has a valuable perspective, no doubt. But that is also the group that has no problem printing money to achieve their own ends, which are often selfish.

    Not sure you've read 1984 (I personally think you haven't) but that book was 100% about the individual, and abhorred the collective and troglodytes. The first third of the book focused on nothing else in fact.

    Maybe he was a socialist, but he wouldn't stood for the last year of bullshit in any way.
    It’s not “maybe”, he was a socialist.

    If you ever let that into your tiny little brains, we might be able to do something. Instead, you’ll continue to call capitalists using capitalism
    to centralize power “communism”.

    Orwell had what you’re looking for.

    Capitalism is disappearing, but Socialism is not replacing it. What is now arising is a new kind of planned, centralised society which will be neither capitalist nor, in any accepted sense of the word, democratic. The rulers of this new society will be the people who effectively control the means of production: that is, business executives, technicians, bureaucrats and soldiers, lumped together by Burnham, under the name of ‘managers’. These people will eliminate the old capitalist class, crush the working class, and so organise society that all power and economic privilege remain in their own hands. Private property rights will be abolished, but common ownership will not be established. The new ‘managerial’ societies will not consist of a patchwork of small, independent states, but of great super-states grouped round the main industrial centres in Europe, Asia, and America. These super-states will fight among themselves for possession of the remaining uncaptured portions of the earth, but will probably be unable to conquer one another completely. Internally, each society will be hierarchical, with an aristocracy of talent at the top and a mass of semi-slaves at the bottom.

    But as long as you insist on fighting the culture war and Medicare For All, you’re the problem.
  • LebamDawg
    LebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,782 Swaye's Wigwam
    the one defining characteristic of fascism

    1- a post by TKS aka a helicopter
  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    No one less self aware than someone who thinks socialism is a good thing.
  • Bendintheriver
    Bendintheriver Member Posts: 7,001
    I always laugh when rats post this list. It was written in 2003 by some guy who is not a historian or a particularly good or trained writer, he is a liberal businessman.

    In other words, his extremely biased and contrived list is billion dollar bullshit. A joke. It is a joke but evidently very effective with light thinkers like Kobe. It assures him that rats attempting to reprogram our young, teach hatred for this country, certify that everyone but white liberals are racists, enslave the masses to government handouts, increase debt past bankruptcy levels so they can justify taxing the workers up to 75% so they can "pay the debt down", support violent groups like BLM, antifa, etc, kill small businesses and destroy the nuclear family are just good things to do.
  • TheKobeStopper
    TheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959

    I always laugh when rats post this list. It was written in 2003 by some guy who is not a historian or a particularly good or trained writer, he is a liberal businessman.

    In other words, his extremely biased and contrived list is billion dollar bullshit. A joke. It is a joke but evidently very effective with light thinkers like Kobe. It assures him that rats attempting to reprogram our young, teach hatred for this country, certify that everyone but white liberals are racists, enslave the masses to government handouts, increase debt past bankruptcy levels so they can justify taxing the workers up to 75% so they can "pay the debt down", support violent groups like BLM, antifa, etc, kill small businesses and destroy the nuclear family are just good things to do.
    “Umberto Eco[a] OMRI (5 January 1932 – 19 February 2016) was an Italian medievalist, philosopher, semiotician, cultural critic, political and social commentator, and novelist“

    You want to try that again? Oh and I’d check the dob and cross reference it with what may have been going on in Italy at the time.
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781


    Thanks for letting us know you still don’t know what fascism is.
  • TheKobeStopper
    TheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959

    Talk to people who escaped communism or go to a former communist country and talk people, then pop off.

    Talk to people like Umberto Eco who escaped fascism.
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    Talk to people who escaped communism or go to a former communist country and talk people, then pop off.

    Talk to people like Umberto Eco who escaped fascism.
    Italy in the 1930s and 1940s was Fascist. So? Saying that the USA is Fascist is TKS FS.

    No comment on the greatness of communism that Orwell loved as you claim?
  • Bendintheriver
    Bendintheriver Member Posts: 7,001

    I always laugh when rats post this list. It was written in 2003 by some guy who is not a historian or a particularly good or trained writer, he is a liberal businessman.

    In other words, his extremely biased and contrived list is billion dollar bullshit. A joke. It is a joke but evidently very effective with light thinkers like Kobe. It assures him that rats attempting to reprogram our young, teach hatred for this country, certify that everyone but white liberals are racists, enslave the masses to government handouts, increase debt past bankruptcy levels so they can justify taxing the workers up to 75% so they can "pay the debt down", support violent groups like BLM, antifa, etc, kill small businesses and destroy the nuclear family are just good things to do.
    “Umberto Eco[a] OMRI (5 January 1932 – 19 February 2016) was an Italian medievalist, philosopher, semiotician, cultural critic, political and social commentator, and novelist“

    You want to try that again? Oh and I’d check the dob and cross reference it with what may have been going on in Italy at the time.
    So you aren't even going to attempt to defend some no name business mans list of bullshit? Now you want me to look up some guy named Umberto?

    Jeezus you are weak.
  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,635 Founders Club

    Agree. Liberals definitely seem to hate actual science and logical thought.
    Sounds like what China has evolved into more than anything. Basically Orwell’s entire point that socialism is a step along the way to get to the end goal of fascism.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,015
    edited May 2021
    It's funny if you even think you fall in that category.

    Actually kind of sad.

  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    That list is the democrat party playbook. Also Pol Pot. Nice own goal, kobe.
  • Bendintheriver
    Bendintheriver Member Posts: 7,001
    Bob_C said:

    Agree. Liberals definitely seem to hate actual science and logical thought.
    Sounds like what China has evolved into more than anything. Basically Orwell’s entire point that socialism is a step along the way to get to the end goal of fascism.
    When I think of fascism I think of the Nazi's. And when I think of the Nazi's I think of their racism and bigotry. The left is full of racism and bigotry. The dem party and their low expectations for minorities is the worst kind of racism. When I think of Nazi's I think of Hitler Youth brigades beating, burning and falsely accusing people who were different than them of some made up atrocity. This is antifa and BLM in spades. I think of indoctrination, the mocking and condemnation of religion, the celebration of everyone thinking exactly alike and the willingness to ruin people, corporations and families that don't follow their party line. I think of the Nazi's invading the property and homes of innocent Germans, harassing innocent people who are different than they were when just walking down the street or eating on a sidewalk café. Everything I have just mentioned is the democrat party and their supporters. There is more. The Nazi's quickly usurped the police force in Germany. Exactly what the left is trying to do in many rat run cities across the nation. They immediately changed the educational curriculum to indoctrinate children, to force them to believe only in what they believed in. This is happening now in this country. The German press was all in. Just like they are here, today.

    I don't like the Nazi comparison to anything in this country. Nazi's to me mean the death of millions. Jews being exterminated. We don't have that here at this time thank God although I do find it particularly evil and black hearted that rats don't care about blacks killing blacks. They only want to use the black population as a tool to get elected. That is seriously fucked up and racist. So I don't do the Nazi comparison lightly even in this instance. However, in the context of fascism and its commonalities with what is happening right now in this country, the comparison is warranted.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    Of course not, that has never been tried.
  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,691 Founders Club

    haie said:

    That group is talented and has a valuable perspective, no doubt. But that is also the group that has no problem printing money to achieve their own ends, which are often selfish.

    Not sure you've read 1984 (I personally think you haven't) but that book was 100% about the individual, and abhorred the collective and troglodytes. The first third of the book focused on nothing else in fact.

    Maybe he was a socialist, but he wouldn't stood for the last year of bullshit in any way.
    It’s not “maybe”, he was a socialist.

    If you ever let that into your tiny little brains, we might be able to do something. Instead, you’ll continue to call capitalists using capitalism
    to centralize power “communism”.

    Orwell had what you’re looking for.

    Capitalism is disappearing, but Socialism is not replacing it. What is now arising is a new kind of planned, centralised society which will be neither capitalist nor, in any accepted sense of the word, democratic. The rulers of this new society will be the people who effectively control the means of production: that is, business executives, technicians, bureaucrats and soldiers, lumped together by Burnham, under the name of ‘managers’. These people will eliminate the old capitalist class, crush the working class, and so organise society that all power and economic privilege remain in their own hands. Private property rights will be abolished, but common ownership will not be established. The new ‘managerial’ societies will not consist of a patchwork of small, independent states, but of great super-states grouped round the main industrial centres in Europe, Asia, and America. These super-states will fight among themselves for possession of the remaining uncaptured portions of the earth, but will probably be unable to conquer one another completely. Internally, each society will be hierarchical, with an aristocracy of talent at the top and a mass of semi-slaves at the bottom.

    But as long as you insist on fighting the culture war and Medicare For All, you’re the problem.
    He's just talking about crony capitalism here. Which I agree, that is a problem but not caused by capitalism itself.

    He also had no way of knowing how current technology would affect all of this. Microsoft isn't preventing anyone from producing in the very technology they build and fund. As a matter of fact, they encourage it. It's free to anyone with an internet connection.

    The last part of your quote sounds like it could eventually happen. But again, not because of capitalism.
  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165

    pawz said:

    The right isn't going back through the history of "the arts" and canceling people. Dr Suess say HI!


    Glen thinks 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 12, 13 & 14 apply to you.

    You monkey fucking idiot @TheKobeStopper.

    The observant among us have poonted out the flipped of the TLAs for 4.5 years. It's bizarre.
    How old are those numbers? The CDC being unanimously approved of by both parties is odd, to say the least.