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creepy's bored has a good healthcare discussion. Even comes without ad hominem attacks.HHusky said:
"Government control of the economy." No. That isn't the case. You're simply getting hysterical.WestlinnDuck said:
Government control of the economy. That's socialist, not Keynsian. So dazzler, you tell me how having the government control our energy policy, medical policy, our public schools isn't socialist. Don't hurt yourself. Put your mythical MBA to use and tell me how confiscatory taxation won't effect investment decisions.HHusky said:
In your own words, Gasbag, explain how Joe's plan is not Keynsian, but is actually Marxist.WestlinnDuck said:HHusky said:
#KeynesRaceBannon said:
Any of you Bidentards want to tell us how you grow an economy from the bottom? If trickle down doesn't work explain how trickle up works please
Or just deflect, deny and ignore per usual#KeynesMarx. Fixed it for you.
Keynes was a capitalist. He even stated, in plain English that he was on the side of the capitalists: ... But he also understood that unfettered capitalism could actually undermine its own existence and lead to socialism.
"Confiscatory taxation." No. Not even close. More hysteria.
And you don't want "government control" of public schools? How does that work?
To the extent you don't want any government energy policy, I disagree. But having one isn't Marxist.
To the extent you are arguing that universal health care is socialist, it can be. But single payer isn't socialist and the first adopter of universal health care on a large scale was Otto Von Bismarck--noted socialist. -
I envy myself and that's why I support me and others like me paying "confiscatory" taxes.RaceBannon said:
Biden is pandering to the lowest denominator (that's you) with the usual class envy bullshit.HHusky said:
The 20th Century economic boom didn't begin in 1983, no matter what you all keep telling yourselves. Biden is proposing a return to what became mainstream economics from 1933 through about 1979, a period that saw reasonably prosperous and and large middle class arise in this country and elsewhere.RaceBannon said:Right. No answer. It was a stupid tweet. Got it
Of course, Gasbag seems to think that was Marxism.
But here is your chance to line out what he is (isn't) proposing that will take us back to the halcyon days of Jim Crow
I was alive in 1979 and reasonably prosperous was a term you didn't hear. At all
I don't recall saying that we had a perfect society during or after WWII. I said the groundwork had been laid and our tax and spending policies continued to largely encourage the growth of a prosperous middle class.
And regardless of what people said and what challenges we faced in 1979 (inflation, stagflation, etc.), there is a vast body of economic data to support the proposition that the shrinking of the middle class--or at least its share of the economy--begins in the 1980s and has continued unabated. -
By 79 our crappy energy policy along with our economic competitors along with the growing welfare state finally caught up with us. Leftist hadn't killed the golden goose but they certainly had made it very sick and anemic. The growth that Reagan sparked was fueled by lower taxes and less regulation.RaceBannon said:It took the Great Reset under Reagan to undo the damage of 33-79 where the whole house of cards collapsed leading to Reagan.
I wonder what other areas of Dazzler's life does he need the laws to be changed in order for him to do what he says he is already dying to do. -
Everyone thinking that Biden only wants to tax 'the rich' is a retard. "Did we say we want to tax those making $400k? Well, MAYBE, sometimes, that could be lower. We'll let you know." The open hostility from dems towards the middle class is noted.
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The best hysteria is certain posters here whining about 'facism'HHusky said:
"Government control of the economy." No. That isn't the case. You're simply getting hysterical.WestlinnDuck said:
Government control of the economy. That's socialist, not Keynsian. So dazzler, you tell me how having the government control our energy policy, medical policy, our public schools isn't socialist. Don't hurt yourself. Put your mythical MBA to use and tell me how confiscatory taxation won't effect investment decisions.HHusky said:
In your own words, Gasbag, explain how Joe's plan is not Keynsian, but is actually Marxist.WestlinnDuck said:HHusky said:
#KeynesRaceBannon said:
Any of you Bidentards want to tell us how you grow an economy from the bottom? If trickle down doesn't work explain how trickle up works please
Or just deflect, deny and ignore per usual#KeynesMarx. Fixed it for you.
Keynes was a capitalist. He even stated, in plain English that he was on the side of the capitalists: ... But he also understood that unfettered capitalism could actually undermine its own existence and lead to socialism.
"Confiscatory taxation." No. Not even close. More hysteria.
And you don't want "government control" of public schools? How does that work?
To the extent you don't want any government energy policy, I disagree. But having one isn't Marxist.
To the extent you are arguing that universal health care is socialist, it can be. But single payer isn't socialist and the first adopter of universal health care on a large scale was Otto Von Bismarck--noted socialist. -
If I want to play a basketball game, I don't try to play it by myself.SFGbob said:
Interesting how you need a change in the tax law in order to do something that you claim you already want to do.HHusky said:
You should have listened to the rest of the speech.RaceBannon said:
I believe the jury is still waiting on how we build the economy from the bottom up. Raise taxes on the poor? Enlighten usHHusky said:
In your own words, Gasbag, explain how Joe's plan is not Keynsian, but is actually Marxist.WestlinnDuck said:HHusky said:
#KeynesRaceBannon said:
Any of you Bidentards want to tell us how you grow an economy from the bottom? If trickle down doesn't work explain how trickle up works please
Or just deflect, deny and ignore per usual#KeynesMarx. Fixed it for you.
Keynes was a capitalist. He even stated, in plain English that he was on the side of the capitalists: ... But he also understood that unfettered capitalism could actually undermine its own existence and lead to socialism.
Your taxes wouldn't rise. Mine would.
It's never been my goal to raise only my own taxes. -
Do you donate any money or volunteer for any charities or causes?HHusky said:
If I want to play a basketball game, I don't try to play it by myself.SFGbob said:
Interesting how you need a change in the tax law in order to do something that you claim you already want to do.HHusky said:
You should have listened to the rest of the speech.RaceBannon said:
I believe the jury is still waiting on how we build the economy from the bottom up. Raise taxes on the poor? Enlighten usHHusky said:
In your own words, Gasbag, explain how Joe's plan is not Keynsian, but is actually Marxist.WestlinnDuck said:HHusky said:
#KeynesRaceBannon said:
Any of you Bidentards want to tell us how you grow an economy from the bottom? If trickle down doesn't work explain how trickle up works please
Or just deflect, deny and ignore per usual#KeynesMarx. Fixed it for you.
Keynes was a capitalist. He even stated, in plain English that he was on the side of the capitalists: ... But he also understood that unfettered capitalism could actually undermine its own existence and lead to socialism.
Your taxes wouldn't rise. Mine would.
It's never been my goal to raise only my own taxes. -
Liberal activists do...HHusky said:
Guns don't kill people, Race.RaceBannon said:
Which is one more gun than was found Jan 6HHusky said:
Mob of one.RaceBannon said:Shooting up the softball game was worse than JANUARY 6
Thanks for playing
You know that. -
We also massively assisted the rebuilding of those competitors. Their industrial base was more modern than ours at that point. But this was about broadly distributed prosperity vs. trickle down economics. Our middle class didn't become suddenly prosperous in 1946 and stand pat. The middle class in this country became more prosperous and numerous for about 35 years after the war ended. Bombing Hamburg doesn't explain that--West Germany's middle class also became more prosperous and numerous over those years.SFGbob said:
Yeah, all we need to do in order to return to those glory days is use the military to destroy the industrial capacity of every major economic competitor. Of course Dazzler is so fucking stupid he think our tax policy explains our post WWII economic growth.HHusky said:
The 20th Century economic boom didn't begin in 1983, no matter what you all keep telling yourselves. Biden is proposing a return to what became mainstream economics from 1933 through about 1979, a period that saw reasonably prosperous and and large middle class arise in this country and elsewhere.RaceBannon said:Right. No answer. It was a stupid tweet. Got it
Of course, Gasbag seems to think that was Marxism.
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Yeshardhat said:
Do you donate any money or volunteer for any charities or causes?HHusky said:
If I want to play a basketball game, I don't try to play it by myself.SFGbob said:
Interesting how you need a change in the tax law in order to do something that you claim you already want to do.HHusky said:
You should have listened to the rest of the speech.RaceBannon said:
I believe the jury is still waiting on how we build the economy from the bottom up. Raise taxes on the poor? Enlighten usHHusky said:
In your own words, Gasbag, explain how Joe's plan is not Keynsian, but is actually Marxist.WestlinnDuck said:HHusky said:
#KeynesRaceBannon said:
Any of you Bidentards want to tell us how you grow an economy from the bottom? If trickle down doesn't work explain how trickle up works please
Or just deflect, deny and ignore per usual#KeynesMarx. Fixed it for you.
Keynes was a capitalist. He even stated, in plain English that he was on the side of the capitalists: ... But he also understood that unfettered capitalism could actually undermine its own existence and lead to socialism.
Your taxes wouldn't rise. Mine would.
It's never been my goal to raise only my own taxes.
