Any of you Bidentards want to tell us how you grow an economy from the bottom? If trickle down doesn't work explain how trickle up works please
Or just deflect, deny and ignore per usual
#Keynes
#Keynes Marx. Fixed it for you.
Keynes was a capitalist. He even stated, in plain English that he was on the side of the capitalists: ... But he also understood that unfettered capitalism could actually undermine its own existence and lead to socialism.
In your own words, Gasbag, explain how Joe's plan is not Keynsian, but is actually Marxist.
Government control of the economy. That's socialist, not Keynsian. So dazzler, you tell me how having the government control our energy policy, medical policy, our public schools isn't socialist. Don't hurt yourself. Put your mythical MBA to use and tell me how confiscatory taxation won't effect investment decisions.
"Government control of the economy." No. That isn't the case. You're simply getting hysterical.
"Confiscatory taxation." No. Not even close. More hysteria.
And you don't want "government control" of public schools? How does that work?
To the extent you don't want any government energy policy, I disagree. But having one isn't Marxist.
To the extent you are arguing that universal health care is socialist, it can be. But single payer isn't socialist and the first adopter of universal health care on a large scale was Otto Von Bismarck--noted socialist.
creepy's bored has a good healthcare discussion. Even comes without ad hominem attacks.
The 20th Century economic boom didn't begin in 1983, no matter what you all keep telling yourselves. Biden is proposing a return to what became mainstream economics from 1933 through about 1979, a period that saw reasonably prosperous and and large middle class arise in this country and elsewhere.
Of course, Gasbag seems to think that was Marxism.
Biden is pandering to the lowest denominator (that's you) with the usual class envy bullshit.
But here is your chance to line out what he is (isn't) proposing that will take us back to the halcyon days of Jim Crow
I was alive in 1979 and reasonably prosperous was a term you didn't hear. At all
I envy myself and that's why I support me and others like me paying "confiscatory" taxes.
I don't recall saying that we had a perfect society during or after WWII. I said the groundwork had been laid and our tax and spending policies continued to largely encourage the growth of a prosperous middle class.
And regardless of what people said and what challenges we faced in 1979 (inflation, stagflation, etc.), there is a vast body of economic data to support the proposition that the shrinking of the middle class--or at least its share of the economy--begins in the 1980s and has continued unabated.
It took the Great Reset under Reagan to undo the damage of 33-79 where the whole house of cards collapsed leading to Reagan.
By 79 our crappy energy policy along with our economic competitors along with the growing welfare state finally caught up with us. Leftist hadn't killed the golden goose but they certainly had made it very sick and anemic. The growth that Reagan sparked was fueled by lower taxes and less regulation.
I wonder what other areas of Dazzler's life does he need the laws to be changed in order for him to do what he says he is already dying to do.
Everyone thinking that Biden only wants to tax 'the rich' is a retard. "Did we say we want to tax those making $400k? Well, MAYBE, sometimes, that could be lower. We'll let you know." The open hostility from dems towards the middle class is noted.
Any of you Bidentards want to tell us how you grow an economy from the bottom? If trickle down doesn't work explain how trickle up works please
Or just deflect, deny and ignore per usual
#Keynes
#Keynes Marx. Fixed it for you.
Keynes was a capitalist. He even stated, in plain English that he was on the side of the capitalists: ... But he also understood that unfettered capitalism could actually undermine its own existence and lead to socialism.
In your own words, Gasbag, explain how Joe's plan is not Keynsian, but is actually Marxist.
Government control of the economy. That's socialist, not Keynsian. So dazzler, you tell me how having the government control our energy policy, medical policy, our public schools isn't socialist. Don't hurt yourself. Put your mythical MBA to use and tell me how confiscatory taxation won't effect investment decisions.
"Government control of the economy." No. That isn't the case. You're simply getting hysterical.
"Confiscatory taxation." No. Not even close. More hysteria.
And you don't want "government control" of public schools? How does that work?
To the extent you don't want any government energy policy, I disagree. But having one isn't Marxist.
To the extent you are arguing that universal health care is socialist, it can be. But single payer isn't socialist and the first adopter of universal health care on a large scale was Otto Von Bismarck--noted socialist.
The best hysteria is certain posters here whining about 'facism'
Any of you Bidentards want to tell us how you grow an economy from the bottom? If trickle down doesn't work explain how trickle up works please
Or just deflect, deny and ignore per usual
#Keynes
#Keynes Marx. Fixed it for you.
Keynes was a capitalist. He even stated, in plain English that he was on the side of the capitalists: ... But he also understood that unfettered capitalism could actually undermine its own existence and lead to socialism.
In your own words, Gasbag, explain how Joe's plan is not Keynsian, but is actually Marxist.
I believe the jury is still waiting on how we build the economy from the bottom up. Raise taxes on the poor? Enlighten us
You should have listened to the rest of the speech.
Your taxes wouldn't rise. Mine would.
Interesting how you need a change in the tax law in order to do something that you claim you already want to do.
If I want to play a basketball game, I don't try to play it by myself.
It's never been my goal to raise only my own taxes.
Any of you Bidentards want to tell us how you grow an economy from the bottom? If trickle down doesn't work explain how trickle up works please
Or just deflect, deny and ignore per usual
#Keynes
#Keynes Marx. Fixed it for you.
Keynes was a capitalist. He even stated, in plain English that he was on the side of the capitalists: ... But he also understood that unfettered capitalism could actually undermine its own existence and lead to socialism.
In your own words, Gasbag, explain how Joe's plan is not Keynsian, but is actually Marxist.
I believe the jury is still waiting on how we build the economy from the bottom up. Raise taxes on the poor? Enlighten us
You should have listened to the rest of the speech.
Your taxes wouldn't rise. Mine would.
Interesting how you need a change in the tax law in order to do something that you claim you already want to do.
If I want to play a basketball game, I don't try to play it by myself.
It's never been my goal to raise only my own taxes.
Do you donate any money or volunteer for any charities or causes?
The 20th Century economic boom didn't begin in 1983, no matter what you all keep telling yourselves. Biden is proposing a return to what became mainstream economics from 1933 through about 1979, a period that saw reasonably prosperous and and large middle class arise in this country and elsewhere.
Of course, Gasbag seems to think that was Marxism.
Yeah, all we need to do in order to return to those glory days is use the military to destroy the industrial capacity of every major economic competitor. Of course Dazzler is so fucking stupid he think our tax policy explains our post WWII economic growth.
We also massively assisted the rebuilding of those competitors. Their industrial base was more modern than ours at that point. But this was about broadly distributed prosperity vs. trickle down economics. Our middle class didn't become suddenly prosperous in 1946 and stand pat. The middle class in this country became more prosperous and numerous for about 35 years after the war ended. Bombing Hamburg doesn't explain that--West Germany's middle class also became more prosperous and numerous over those years.
Any of you Bidentards want to tell us how you grow an economy from the bottom? If trickle down doesn't work explain how trickle up works please
Or just deflect, deny and ignore per usual
#Keynes
#Keynes Marx. Fixed it for you.
Keynes was a capitalist. He even stated, in plain English that he was on the side of the capitalists: ... But he also understood that unfettered capitalism could actually undermine its own existence and lead to socialism.
In your own words, Gasbag, explain how Joe's plan is not Keynsian, but is actually Marxist.
I believe the jury is still waiting on how we build the economy from the bottom up. Raise taxes on the poor? Enlighten us
You should have listened to the rest of the speech.
Your taxes wouldn't rise. Mine would.
Interesting how you need a change in the tax law in order to do something that you claim you already want to do.
If I want to play a basketball game, I don't try to play it by myself.
It's never been my goal to raise only my own taxes.
Do you donate any money or volunteer for any charities or causes?
Any of you Bidentards want to tell us how you grow an economy from the bottom? If trickle down doesn't work explain how trickle up works please
Or just deflect, deny and ignore per usual
#Keynes
#Keynes Marx. Fixed it for you.
Keynes was a capitalist. He even stated, in plain English that he was on the side of the capitalists: ... But he also understood that unfettered capitalism could actually undermine its own existence and lead to socialism.
In your own words, Gasbag, explain how Joe's plan is not Keynsian, but is actually Marxist.
I believe the jury is still waiting on how we build the economy from the bottom up. Raise taxes on the poor? Enlighten us
You should have listened to the rest of the speech.
Your taxes wouldn't rise. Mine would.
Interesting how you need a change in the tax law in order to do something that you claim you already want to do.
If I want to play a basketball game, I don't try to play it by myself.
It's never been my goal to raise only my own taxes.
There are plenty of people just like you who claim they want higher taxes. You don't need to play it by yourself. But nice try dumbfuck.
Any of you Bidentards want to tell us how you grow an economy from the bottom? If trickle down doesn't work explain how trickle up works please
Or just deflect, deny and ignore per usual
#Keynes
#Keynes Marx. Fixed it for you.
Keynes was a capitalist. He even stated, in plain English that he was on the side of the capitalists: ... But he also understood that unfettered capitalism could actually undermine its own existence and lead to socialism.
In your own words, Gasbag, explain how Joe's plan is not Keynsian, but is actually Marxist.
I believe the jury is still waiting on how we build the economy from the bottom up. Raise taxes on the poor? Enlighten us
You should have listened to the rest of the speech.
Your taxes wouldn't rise. Mine would.
Interesting how you need a change in the tax law in order to do something that you claim you already want to do.
If I want to play a basketball game, I don't try to play it by myself.
It's never been my goal to raise only my own taxes.
There are plenty of people just like you who claim they want higher taxes. You don't need to play it by yourself. But nice try dumbfuck.
So you're proposing that we all subsidize the people who earn as much or more than we do. Maybe we do that to some extent through charitable donations, but people earning the kind of money we're talking about should be paying at a higher marginal tax rate.
The 20th Century economic boom didn't begin in 1983, no matter what you all keep telling yourselves. Biden is proposing a return to what became mainstream economics from 1933 through about 1979, a period that saw reasonably prosperous and and large middle class arise in this country and elsewhere.
Of course, Gasbag seems to think that was Marxism.
Yeah, all we need to do in order to return to those glory days is use the military to destroy the industrial capacity of every major economic competitor. Of course Dazzler is so fucking stupid he think our tax policy explains our post WWII economic growth.
We also massively assisted the rebuilding of those competitors. Their industrial base was more modern than ours at that point. But this was about broadly distributed prosperity vs. trickle down economics. Our middle class didn't become suddenly prosperous in 1946 and stand pat. The middle class in this country became more prosperous and numerous for about 35 years after the war ended. Bombing Hamburg doesn't explain that--West Germany's middle class also became more prosperous and numerous over those years.
lol
Got stuck in the deep end again *gurgle*
Was this "broadly distributed prosperity" from the "bottom up" as Biden proposes? And how does that work?
Because you are describing trickle down.
The country was a shambles in 1979. Then the Great Reset and the lowering of the tax rates and the Roaring 80's were born that lasted through the 90's with Bubba being convinced to stay the fuck out of the way
Even Obama kept the "Bush Tax Cuts" that he ran against
The we had yet another boom happening under Trump until your ilk decided electing a dementia patient was more important
The 20th Century economic boom didn't begin in 1983, no matter what you all keep telling yourselves. Biden is proposing a return to what became mainstream economics from 1933 through about 1979, a period that saw reasonably prosperous and and large middle class arise in this country and elsewhere.
Of course, Gasbag seems to think that was Marxism.
Yeah, all we need to do in order to return to those glory days is use the military to destroy the industrial capacity of every major economic competitor. Of course Dazzler is so fucking stupid he think our tax policy explains our post WWII economic growth.
We also massively assisted the rebuilding of those competitors. Their industrial base was more modern than ours at that point. But this was about broadly distributed prosperity vs. trickle down economics. Our middle class didn't become suddenly prosperous in 1946 and stand pat. The middle class in this country became more prosperous and numerous for about 35 years after the war ended. Bombing Hamburg doesn't explain that--West Germany's middle class also became more prosperous and numerous over those years.
We now spend far, far more on our current welfare state than we ever did rebuilding our competitors. We had little to no competition in automobiles, electronics, personal consumer goods like refrigerators, washing machines and televisions you name it for nearly 30 years after the war had ended. The destruction of the industrial base of every world competitor we had had everything to do with this. No one claimed the middle class "suddenly" became prosperous in 1946. That's the standard Dazzler strawman ass fuck. The growth and prosperity of our middle class had everything to do with the lack of competition.
Take commercial airlines. Other than the British, there was no other competition out there and the Brits cratered their aviation industry by the late 50s. If you wanted to purchase a commercial aircraft the US was the only game in town. Same with construction equipment and automobiles. We didn't even have any real competition in that field until the late 60s early 70s.
Your claim that our tax rates had something to do with our post WWII prosperity is pure bullshit.
Any of you Bidentards want to tell us how you grow an economy from the bottom? If trickle down doesn't work explain how trickle up works please
Or just deflect, deny and ignore per usual
#Keynes
#Keynes Marx. Fixed it for you.
Keynes was a capitalist. He even stated, in plain English that he was on the side of the capitalists: ... But he also understood that unfettered capitalism could actually undermine its own existence and lead to socialism.
In your own words, Gasbag, explain how Joe's plan is not Keynsian, but is actually Marxist.
I believe the jury is still waiting on how we build the economy from the bottom up. Raise taxes on the poor? Enlighten us
You should have listened to the rest of the speech.
Your taxes wouldn't rise. Mine would.
I specifically asked how the economy will be grown with trickle up referring to Biden's retarded tweet that wasn't mean. As I suspected there is no answer but that doesn't slow you down does it?
Any of you Bidentards want to tell us how you grow an economy from the bottom? If trickle down doesn't work explain how trickle up works please
Or just deflect, deny and ignore per usual
#Keynes
#Keynes Marx. Fixed it for you.
Keynes was a capitalist. He even stated, in plain English that he was on the side of the capitalists: ... But he also understood that unfettered capitalism could actually undermine its own existence and lead to socialism.
In your own words, Gasbag, explain how Joe's plan is not Keynsian, but is actually Marxist.
I believe the jury is still waiting on how we build the economy from the bottom up. Raise taxes on the poor? Enlighten us
You should have listened to the rest of the speech.
Your taxes wouldn't rise. Mine would.
Interesting how you need a change in the tax law in order to do something that you claim you already want to do.
If I want to play a basketball game, I don't try to play it by myself.
It's never been my goal to raise only my own taxes.
There are plenty of people just like you who claim they want higher taxes. You don't need to play it by yourself. But nice try dumbfuck.
So you're proposing that we all subsidize the people who earn as much or more than we do. Maybe we do that to some extent through charitable donations, but people earning the kind of money we're talking about should be paying at a higher marginal tax rate.
Letting people keep more of the money they earn only qualifies as a "subsidy" to people who believe every dollar really belongs to the government.
but people earning the kind of money we're talking about should be paying at a higher marginal tax rate.
They already are. But with leftist it's never enough. Because as we can see with Biden's spending, they can never spend enough.
You know what's going to happen after all this spending. All the "inequality" that Biden says he wants to address is still going to be there because the reasons for the inequality have nothing to do with a lack of money. We are going to piss away trillions and every problem the left bitches about now will still be there after we've done so.
Providing "free" daycare isn't going get rid of inequality. All it will do is piss away Billions on daycare/childcare centers that most successful people wouldn't put their dogs into.
Any of you Bidentards want to tell us how you grow an economy from the bottom? If trickle down doesn't work explain how trickle up works please
Or just deflect, deny and ignore per usual
#Keynes
#Keynes Marx. Fixed it for you.
Keynes was a capitalist. He even stated, in plain English that he was on the side of the capitalists: ... But he also understood that unfettered capitalism could actually undermine its own existence and lead to socialism.
In your own words, Gasbag, explain how Joe's plan is not Keynsian, but is actually Marxist.
I believe the jury is still waiting on how we build the economy from the bottom up. Raise taxes on the poor? Enlighten us
You should have listened to the rest of the speech.
Your taxes wouldn't rise. Mine would.
I specifically asked how the economy will be grown with trickle up referring to Biden's retarded tweet that wasn't mean. As I suspected there is no answer but that doesn't slow you down does it?
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I don't recall saying that we had a perfect society during or after WWII. I said the groundwork had been laid and our tax and spending policies continued to largely encourage the growth of a prosperous middle class.
And regardless of what people said and what challenges we faced in 1979 (inflation, stagflation, etc.), there is a vast body of economic data to support the proposition that the shrinking of the middle class--or at least its share of the economy--begins in the 1980s and has continued unabated.
I wonder what other areas of Dazzler's life does he need the laws to be changed in order for him to do what he says he is already dying to do.
It's never been my goal to raise only my own taxes.
Got stuck in the deep end again *gurgle*
Was this "broadly distributed prosperity" from the "bottom up" as Biden proposes? And how does that work?
Because you are describing trickle down.
The country was a shambles in 1979. Then the Great Reset and the lowering of the tax rates and the Roaring 80's were born that lasted through the 90's with Bubba being convinced to stay the fuck out of the way
Even Obama kept the "Bush Tax Cuts" that he ran against
The we had yet another boom happening under Trump until your ilk decided electing a dementia patient was more important
Take commercial airlines. Other than the British, there was no other competition out there and the Brits cratered their aviation industry by the late 50s. If you wanted to purchase a commercial aircraft the US was the only game in town. Same with construction equipment and automobiles. We didn't even have any real competition in that field until the late 60s early 70s.
Your claim that our tax rates had something to do with our post WWII prosperity is pure bullshit.
Worker coops.
but people earning the kind of money we're talking about should be paying at a higher marginal tax rate.
They already are. But with leftist it's never enough. Because as we can see with Biden's spending, they can never spend enough.
You know what's going to happen after all this spending. All the "inequality" that Biden says he wants to address is still going to be there because the reasons for the inequality have nothing to do with a lack of money. We are going to piss away trillions and every problem the left bitches about now will still be there after we've done so.
Providing "free" daycare isn't going get rid of inequality. All it will do is piss away Billions on daycare/childcare centers that most successful people wouldn't put their dogs into.
but my taxes would rise under the proposal I heard Joe make last night