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Can Someone Explain "Wallets" Please?

creepycoug
creepycoug Member Posts: 24,068
edited May 2022 in Tug Tavern
For those of us who need the help.

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  • Sources
    Sources Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 4,347 Founders Club
    edited April 2021
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_wallet

    This is actually a pretty good source.

    A digital wallet also known as "e-Wallet" is an electronic device, online service, or software program that allows one party to make electronic transactions with another party bartering digital currency units for goods and services. This can include purchasing items on-line with a computer or using a smartphone to purchase something at a store. Money can be deposited in the digital wallet prior to any transactions or, in other cases, an individual's bank account can be linked to the digital wallet. Users might also have their driver's license, health card, loyalty card(s) and other ID documents stored within the wallet. The credentials can be passed to a merchant's terminal wirelessly via near field communication (NFC). Increasingly, digital wallets are being made not just for basic financial transactions but to also authenticate the holder's credentials. For example, a digital wallet could verify the age of the buyer to the store while purchasing alcohol. The system has already gained popularity in Japan, where digital wallets are known as "wallet mobiles".[1] A cryptocurrency wallet is a digital wallet where private keys are stored for cryptocurrencies like bitcoin.

    ...

    There are two types of digital wallets: hot wallets and cold wallets. Hot wallets are connected to the internet while cold wallets are not. Most digital wallet holders hold both a hot wallet and a cold wallet. Hot wallets are most often used to make quick payments, while a cold wallet is generally used for storing and holding your money, and has no connection to the internet.[citation needed] Another difference that is apparent when comparing the types of digital wallets, or e-Wallets, is the price. While most hot wallets are free, cold wallets can be expensive.[citation needed]

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    I think one of the more important things to realize is that while many wallets are used to store crypto, others can have other applications like you'll see on your phone, where it stores info for passes (boarding passes, gym passes, etc.), credit cards, and other info unique to you
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,068
    Very helpful, thanks. So like the Apple Wallet on my phone.

    Is a crypto wallet a hot or cold wallet? Or is it an entirely specialized wallet?
  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,678 Standard Supporter
    Fuck having some psychotic nerd tracking my finances
  • UWerentThereMan
    UWerentThereMan Member Posts: 3,475

    Very helpful, thanks. So like the Apple Wallet on my phone.

    Is a crypto wallet a hot or cold wallet? Or is it an entirely specialized wallet?

    Both. There are hot software wallets on mobile phone, pc, or web application where the private keys are stored, and there are cold wallets like Ledger or Trezor that are USB devices that hold the private keys and have a software application on the PC they interface with. I like the cold wallet so I don’t have to worry about my laptop crashing or getting stolen.
  • Sources
    Sources Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 4,347 Founders Club
    If you really want to understand wallets, understanding public and private keys is helpful. I think people generally underestimate how ubiquitous encryption is these days.
  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,807 Founders Club

    For those of us who need the help.

    Sources said:

    If you really want to understand wallets, understanding public and private keys is helpful. I think people generally underestimate how ubiquitous encryption is these days.

    Do not use them. The end.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,068
    haie said:

    For those of us who need the help.

    Sources said:

    If you really want to understand wallets, understanding public and private keys is helpful. I think people generally underestimate how ubiquitous encryption is these days.

    Do not use them. The end.
    @haie

    I trust @haie . Q: do you have to have a wallet to buy crypto? Or are the trading platforms otherwise available?
  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,807 Founders Club
    edited April 2021

    haie said:

    For those of us who need the help.

    Sources said:

    If you really want to understand wallets, understanding public and private keys is helpful. I think people generally underestimate how ubiquitous encryption is these days.

    Do not use them. The end.
    @haie

    I trust @haie . Q: do you have to have a wallet to buy crypto? Or are the trading platforms otherwise available?
    Thought you meant Apple Pay kind of wallets.

    I understand block chain but do not mess with crypto atm.

    Like the above poster said, if crypto wallets just go off of RSA or some other private/public set up, that is a decent starting point. Tons of articles explain that really well.

    My general thought was to not trust mobile app security and have as few apps installed as possible. It's not that security isn't implemented correctly initially so much as irresponsible/constant changes in software are not worth the convenience of most apps.

    As to your actual question I would use Coinbase assuming they have a web app you can use on a desktop.

    Guess I should read the thread next time.
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
    Sounds like a bunch of voodoo shit to me
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
    haie said:

    haie said:

    For those of us who need the help.

    Sources said:

    If you really want to understand wallets, understanding public and private keys is helpful. I think people generally underestimate how ubiquitous encryption is these days.

    Do not use them. The end.
    @haie

    I trust @haie . Q: do you have to have a wallet to buy crypto? Or are the trading platforms otherwise available?
    Thought you meant Apple Pay kind of wallets.

    I understand block chain but do not mess with crypto atm.

    Like the above poster said, if crypto wallets just go off of RSA or some other private/public set up, that is a decent starting point. Tons of articles explain that really well.

    My general thought was to not trust mobile app security and have as few apps installed as possible. It's not that security isn't implemented correctly initially so much as irresponsible/constant changes in software are not worth the convenience of most apps.

    As to your actual question I would use Coinbase assuming they have a web app you can use on a desktop.

    Guess I should read the thread next time.
    I was at a bar on Sunday and some dude was chatting me up about how he's all into crypto. So we got to talking and I was bitching about how our company pays cheap and he's like how much? Then he asked me for a job lol

    That's what I think of crypto bros.
  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,807 Founders Club
    edited April 2021

    haie said:

    haie said:

    For those of us who need the help.

    Sources said:

    If you really want to understand wallets, understanding public and private keys is helpful. I think people generally underestimate how ubiquitous encryption is these days.

    Do not use them. The end.
    @haie

    I trust @haie . Q: do you have to have a wallet to buy crypto? Or are the trading platforms otherwise available?
    Thought you meant Apple Pay kind of wallets.

    I understand block chain but do not mess with crypto atm.

    Like the above poster said, if crypto wallets just go off of RSA or some other private/public set up, that is a decent starting point. Tons of articles explain that really well.

    My general thought was to not trust mobile app security and have as few apps installed as possible. It's not that security isn't implemented correctly initially so much as irresponsible/constant changes in software are not worth the convenience of most apps.

    As to your actual question I would use Coinbase assuming they have a web app you can use on a desktop.

    Guess I should read the thread next time.
    I was at a bar on Sunday and some dude was chatting me up about how he's all into crypto. So we got to talking and I was bitching about how our company pays cheap and he's like how much? Then he asked me for a job lol

    That's what I think of crypto bros.
    This week, I just fired a 20 year .NET dev who commanded 92k. We are being cool and are trying to get him his old job back, but still.

    Work or fuck off.

  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    haie said:

    haie said:

    haie said:

    For those of us who need the help.

    Sources said:

    If you really want to understand wallets, understanding public and private keys is helpful. I think people generally underestimate how ubiquitous encryption is these days.

    Do not use them. The end.
    @haie

    I trust @haie . Q: do you have to have a wallet to buy crypto? Or are the trading platforms otherwise available?
    Thought you meant Apple Pay kind of wallets.

    I understand block chain but do not mess with crypto atm.

    Like the above poster said, if crypto wallets just go off of RSA or some other private/public set up, that is a decent starting point. Tons of articles explain that really well.

    My general thought was to not trust mobile app security and have as few apps installed as possible. It's not that security isn't implemented correctly initially so much as irresponsible/constant changes in software are not worth the convenience of most apps.

    As to your actual question I would use Coinbase assuming they have a web app you can use on a desktop.

    Guess I should read the thread next time.
    I was at a bar on Sunday and some dude was chatting me up about how he's all into crypto. So we got to talking and I was bitching about how our company pays cheap and he's like how much? Then he asked me for a job lol

    That's what I think of crypto bros.
    This week, I just fired a 20 year .NET dev who commanded 92k. We are being cool and are trying to get him his old job back, but still.

    Work or fuck off.

    What does commanded 92k mean? That's their salary?
  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,807 Founders Club

    haie said:

    haie said:

    haie said:

    For those of us who need the help.

    Sources said:

    If you really want to understand wallets, understanding public and private keys is helpful. I think people generally underestimate how ubiquitous encryption is these days.

    Do not use them. The end.
    @haie

    I trust @haie . Q: do you have to have a wallet to buy crypto? Or are the trading platforms otherwise available?
    Thought you meant Apple Pay kind of wallets.

    I understand block chain but do not mess with crypto atm.

    Like the above poster said, if crypto wallets just go off of RSA or some other private/public set up, that is a decent starting point. Tons of articles explain that really well.

    My general thought was to not trust mobile app security and have as few apps installed as possible. It's not that security isn't implemented correctly initially so much as irresponsible/constant changes in software are not worth the convenience of most apps.

    As to your actual question I would use Coinbase assuming they have a web app you can use on a desktop.

    Guess I should read the thread next time.
    I was at a bar on Sunday and some dude was chatting me up about how he's all into crypto. So we got to talking and I was bitching about how our company pays cheap and he's like how much? Then he asked me for a job lol

    That's what I think of crypto bros.
    This week, I just fired a 20 year .NET dev who commanded 92k. We are being cool and are trying to get him his old job back, but still.

    Work or fuck off.

    What does commanded 92k mean? That's their salary?
    We matched his previous employer, who was apparently doing shitty and having to cut across their company.
  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    I don't think people making $92k are "commanding" anything.
  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,807 Founders Club

    I don't think people making $92k are "commanding" anything.

    That's correct. He was a friend of our VP so I wasn't allowed to give him any kind of an aptitude test. We are trying to get him his old job back.
  • Sources
    Sources Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 4,347 Founders Club
    haie said:

    I don't think people making $92k are "commanding" anything.

    That's correct. He was a friend of our VP so I wasn't allowed to give him any kind of an aptitude test. We are trying to get him his old job back.
    If I was making less than 100k after 20 years (let alone as a dev), I wouldn't want to work either. Entry level FAANG in the Bay is easily over 150k plus equity.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,068
    Sources said:

    haie said:

    I don't think people making $92k are "commanding" anything.

    That's correct. He was a friend of our VP so I wasn't allowed to give him any kind of an aptitude test. We are trying to get him his old job back.
    If I was making less than 100k after 20 years (let alone as a dev), I wouldn't want to work either. Entry level FAANG in the Bay is easily over 150k plus equity.
    True, but one fiddy in the Bay is like poverty level.
  • Doog_de_Jour
    Doog_de_Jour Member Posts: 8,041 Standard Supporter

    haie said:

    haie said:

    For those of us who need the help.

    Sources said:

    If you really want to understand wallets, understanding public and private keys is helpful. I think people generally underestimate how ubiquitous encryption is these days.

    Do not use them. The end.
    @haie

    I trust @haie . Q: do you have to have a wallet to buy crypto? Or are the trading platforms otherwise available?
    Thought you meant Apple Pay kind of wallets.

    I understand block chain but do not mess with crypto atm.

    Like the above poster said, if crypto wallets just go off of RSA or some other private/public set up, that is a decent starting point. Tons of articles explain that really well.

    My general thought was to not trust mobile app security and have as few apps installed as possible. It's not that security isn't implemented correctly initially so much as irresponsible/constant changes in software are not worth the convenience of most apps.

    As to your actual question I would use Coinbase assuming they have a web app you can use on a desktop.

    Guess I should read the thread next time.
    I was at a bar on Sunday and some dude was chatting me up about how he's all into crypto. So we got to talking and I was bitching about how our company pays cheap and he's like how much? Then he asked me for a job lol

    That's what I think of crypto bros.
    Yeah, but the breakroom fridge is always stocked with White Claw, so quit your bitching.


  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club
    I put condoms in mine. Then don't use them.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,112 Founders Club
    Swaye said:

    I put condoms in mine. Then don't use them.

    Remember the condom circle in the back pocket of jeans? I do
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662

    haie said:

    haie said:

    For those of us who need the help.

    Sources said:

    If you really want to understand wallets, understanding public and private keys is helpful. I think people generally underestimate how ubiquitous encryption is these days.

    Do not use them. The end.
    @haie

    I trust @haie . Q: do you have to have a wallet to buy crypto? Or are the trading platforms otherwise available?
    Thought you meant Apple Pay kind of wallets.

    I understand block chain but do not mess with crypto atm.

    Like the above poster said, if crypto wallets just go off of RSA or some other private/public set up, that is a decent starting point. Tons of articles explain that really well.

    My general thought was to not trust mobile app security and have as few apps installed as possible. It's not that security isn't implemented correctly initially so much as irresponsible/constant changes in software are not worth the convenience of most apps.

    As to your actual question I would use Coinbase assuming they have a web app you can use on a desktop.

    Guess I should read the thread next time.
    I was at a bar on Sunday and some dude was chatting me up about how he's all into crypto. So we got to talking and I was bitching about how our company pays cheap and he's like how much? Then he asked me for a job lol

    That's what I think of crypto bros.
    Yeah, but the breakroom fridge is always stocked with White Claw, so quit your bitching.


    But whats a white claw without a wallet? Ya know? Its only like half the equation
  • Sources
    Sources Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 4,347 Founders Club

    Sources said:

    haie said:

    I don't think people making $92k are "commanding" anything.

    That's correct. He was a friend of our VP so I wasn't allowed to give him any kind of an aptitude test. We are trying to get him his old job back.
    If I was making less than 100k after 20 years (let alone as a dev), I wouldn't want to work either. Entry level FAANG in the Bay is easily over 150k plus equity.
    True, but one fiddy in the Bay is like poverty level.
    Even if 150k (notwithstanding equity) were the same as 100k anywhere else, that's still a very good wage for a new grad. It's a terrible wage for anyone with 2 decades of software development experience.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,068
    Sources said:

    Sources said:

    haie said:

    I don't think people making $92k are "commanding" anything.

    That's correct. He was a friend of our VP so I wasn't allowed to give him any kind of an aptitude test. We are trying to get him his old job back.
    If I was making less than 100k after 20 years (let alone as a dev), I wouldn't want to work either. Entry level FAANG in the Bay is easily over 150k plus equity.
    True, but one fiddy in the Bay is like poverty level.
    Even if 150k (notwithstanding equity) were the same as 100k anywhere else, that's still a very good wage for a new grad. It's a terrible wage for anyone with 2 decades of software development experience.
    Agreed. It's actually a fantastic wage for most Americans.
  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,807 Founders Club
    edited April 2021
    Sources said:

    Sources said:

    haie said:

    I don't think people making $92k are "commanding" anything.

    That's correct. He was a friend of our VP so I wasn't allowed to give him any kind of an aptitude test. We are trying to get him his old job back.
    If I was making less than 100k after 20 years (let alone as a dev), I wouldn't want to work either. Entry level FAANG in the Bay is easily over 150k plus equity.
    True, but one fiddy in the Bay is like poverty level.
    Even if 150k (notwithstanding equity) were the same as 100k anywhere else, that's still a very good wage for a new grad. It's a terrible wage for anyone with 2 decades of software development experience.
    Which is why I stopped wasting my lead dev's time on this guy. That was the point. I built our platform 6 years ago so I haven't realized that we actually have to pull real talent now, not just friends of the owners.

    Not a great example for this bored, what with all the beavlets and quooks that pretend that they have the education to reach anything beyond middle management.

    You Bay bros also need to understand that if you work for a Bay software company and still live in the Bay at this point, you might be fucking retarded.
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
    edited April 2021
    haie said:

    Sources said:

    Sources said:

    haie said:

    I don't think people making $92k are "commanding" anything.

    That's correct. He was a friend of our VP so I wasn't allowed to give him any kind of an aptitude test. We are trying to get him his old job back.
    If I was making less than 100k after 20 years (let alone as a dev), I wouldn't want to work either. Entry level FAANG in the Bay is easily over 150k plus equity.
    True, but one fiddy in the Bay is like poverty level.
    Even if 150k (notwithstanding equity) were the same as 100k anywhere else, that's still a very good wage for a new grad. It's a terrible wage for anyone with 2 decades of software development experience.
    Which is why I stopped wasting my lead dev's time on this guy. That was the point. I built our platform 6 years ago so I haven't realized that we actually have to pull real talent now, not just friends of the owners.

    Not a great example for this bored, what with all the beavlets and quooks that pretend that they have the education to reach anything beyond middle management.

    You Bay bros also need to understand that if you work for a Bay software company and still live in the Bay at this point, you might be fucking retarded.
    I gave my dude who didn't know shit a little love today. He built 2 nextjs simple ass sites and deployed on netlify. And our marketer can now do the content.

    I was like bro take off the day. Here's 1k. Work on that portfolio. You can now make like double the amount of money somewhere else.


    I am what's referred to as a cool boss. I hired him for shit with the promise I'd get his portfolio going so he can make money.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,068

    haie said:

    Sources said:

    Sources said:

    haie said:

    I don't think people making $92k are "commanding" anything.

    That's correct. He was a friend of our VP so I wasn't allowed to give him any kind of an aptitude test. We are trying to get him his old job back.
    If I was making less than 100k after 20 years (let alone as a dev), I wouldn't want to work either. Entry level FAANG in the Bay is easily over 150k plus equity.
    True, but one fiddy in the Bay is like poverty level.
    Even if 150k (notwithstanding equity) were the same as 100k anywhere else, that's still a very good wage for a new grad. It's a terrible wage for anyone with 2 decades of software development experience.
    Which is why I stopped wasting my lead dev's time on this guy. That was the point. I built our platform 6 years ago so I haven't realized that we actually have to pull real talent now, not just friends of the owners.

    Not a great example for this bored, what with all the beavlets and quooks that pretend that they have the education to reach anything beyond middle management.

    You Bay bros also need to understand that if you work for a Bay software company and still live in the Bay at this point, you might be fucking retarded.
    I gave my dude who didn't know shit a little love today. He built 2 nextjs simple ass sites and deployed on netlify. And our marketer can now do the content.

    I was like bro take off the day. Here's 1k. Work on that portfolio. You can now make like double the amount of money somewhere else.


    I am what's referred to as a cool boss. I hired him for shit with the promise I'd get his portfolio going so he can make money.
    Good man. A Club man.
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662

    haie said:

    Sources said:

    Sources said:

    haie said:

    I don't think people making $92k are "commanding" anything.

    That's correct. He was a friend of our VP so I wasn't allowed to give him any kind of an aptitude test. We are trying to get him his old job back.
    If I was making less than 100k after 20 years (let alone as a dev), I wouldn't want to work either. Entry level FAANG in the Bay is easily over 150k plus equity.
    True, but one fiddy in the Bay is like poverty level.
    Even if 150k (notwithstanding equity) were the same as 100k anywhere else, that's still a very good wage for a new grad. It's a terrible wage for anyone with 2 decades of software development experience.
    Which is why I stopped wasting my lead dev's time on this guy. That was the point. I built our platform 6 years ago so I haven't realized that we actually have to pull real talent now, not just friends of the owners.

    Not a great example for this bored, what with all the beavlets and quooks that pretend that they have the education to reach anything beyond middle management.

    You Bay bros also need to understand that if you work for a Bay software company and still live in the Bay at this point, you might be fucking retarded.
    I gave my dude who didn't know shit a little love today. He built 2 nextjs simple ass sites and deployed on netlify. And our marketer can now do the content.

    I was like bro take off the day. Here's 1k. Work on that portfolio. You can now make like double the amount of money somewhere else.


    I am what's referred to as a cool boss. I hired him for shit with the promise I'd get his portfolio going so he can make money.
    Good man. A Club man.
    Hey I work with what I got. If my owner gives me a shit budget either I can teach a good dude or hire a shit asshole and fire him