Deathsantis update
lorida Gov. Ron DeSantis this week quietly signed a bill adding sales taxes to online purchases made by Floridians that could cost residents an estimated $1 billion per year, the Sun Sentinel reports.
"Governor just signed a bill into law to increase your taxes and give the new revenue of $1 billion to businesses," tweeted Rep. Anna Eskamani, D-Orlando, on Monday night just after the signing was announced close to midnight.
The legislation, which was widely supported by business groups but opposed by Democrats, is one of five bills that DeSantis signed on Monday, which was the deadline for him to either sign it, veto it, or allow the bill to become law without his signature.
"The use of $1 billion on regressive taxes collected in the middle of a pandemic is not a good idea," said state Rep. Evan Jenne, the House Democrat Co-Leader, according to Florida Politics.
The chief executive of the Florida Retail Federation, Scott Shalley, said in a statement to the News Service of Florida that the law establishes a "level playing field" for businesses, and noted that the funds gained from the tax will help restore the state’s unemployment trust fund that was severely depleted during the COVID-19 pandemic and towards lowering the commercial rent tax.
"Through the passage of SB 50, Gov. DeSantis and legislative leaders have acknowledged the pivotal role that the retail industry plays in supporting Florida’s families," Shalley said, according to Florida Politics. With this measure signed into law, all businesses can compete on a level playing field and continue to support the 2.7 million Floridians who work in the retail industry. Thank you, Gov. DeSantis, for your leadership and for providing meaningful relief to Florida retail businesses."
Anytime the democrats can take the anti tax stance is special. I think the governor took care of businesses over the consumer.
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This is aimed at Amazon. In Florida they don't have state sales tax on out of state internet retailers like Amazon. Blue state democrats have lead the charge on this, they just want the money. In this case, since DeSantis is for it, they are against it. So, now if you buy from Amazon rather than an instate retailer, you pay the Florida sales tax. You think Inslee or Kate Brown are worried about increasing taxes and energy costs in the middle of a pandemic. Leftards lie and love to be lied to.RaceBannon said:https://newsmax.com/us/desantis-florida-online-sales-tax-bill/2021/04/20/id/1018320/
lorida Gov. Ron DeSantis this week quietly signed a bill adding sales taxes to online purchases made by Floridians that could cost residents an estimated $1 billion per year, the Sun Sentinel reports.
"Governor just signed a bill into law to increase your taxes and give the new revenue of $1 billion to businesses," tweeted Rep. Anna Eskamani, D-Orlando, on Monday night just after the signing was announced close to midnight.
The legislation, which was widely supported by business groups but opposed by Democrats, is one of five bills that DeSantis signed on Monday, which was the deadline for him to either sign it, veto it, or allow the bill to become law without his signature.
"The use of $1 billion on regressive taxes collected in the middle of a pandemic is not a good idea," said state Rep. Evan Jenne, the House Democrat Co-Leader, according to Florida Politics.
The chief executive of the Florida Retail Federation, Scott Shalley, said in a statement to the News Service of Florida that the law establishes a "level playing field" for businesses, and noted that the funds gained from the tax will help restore the state’s unemployment trust fund that was severely depleted during the COVID-19 pandemic and towards lowering the commercial rent tax.
"Through the passage of SB 50, Gov. DeSantis and legislative leaders have acknowledged the pivotal role that the retail industry plays in supporting Florida’s families," Shalley said, according to Florida Politics. With this measure signed into law, all businesses can compete on a level playing field and continue to support the 2.7 million Floridians who work in the retail industry. Thank you, Gov. DeSantis, for your leadership and for providing meaningful relief to Florida retail businesses."
Anytime the democrats can take the anti tax stance is special. I think the governor took care of businesses over the consumer. -
Mixed on this whole sales tax thing. On the surface it’s bad for consumers and good for in state businesses in terms of ability to be competitive in price. Wayfair though is a real headache for businesses operating across multiple states, it’s regressive in terms of business scale in that context. My business went from filing sales tax in about 5 states to 40 overnight, requires headcount, ERP development and/or expensive SaaS to manage. Wasn’t aware that Florida had this pure online loophole, my business collects and remits plenty there despite not having a physical or people presence.
Back to your point, regressive taxes are totally acceptable to leftists in the form of purchasing power and regulation. -
I am a fan of less taxes, but all retailers should be treated the same.
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This is pretty standard and it really eliminates a loophole
If there are taxes for buying in a brick and mortar store, there should be taxes for it being online
Good though to see Dems only for taxes that they are behind creating -
Just so we’re clear, there are now situations where raising taxes is cool and sometimes the free market isn’t enough and the government needs to step in?
You know how I say you guys don’t believe in anything? How you have no ideology? This is it, this is why. -
Who are you addressing?TheKobeStopper said:Just so we’re clear, there are now situations where raising taxes is cool and sometimes the free market isn’t enough and the government needs to step in?
You know how I say you guys don’t believe in anything? How you have no ideology? This is it, this is why.
And are you against raising taxes now?
Ideology is for small minds anyway
Its why you live in it. Like Hitler -
You buy that strawman dinner before the ass phucking began? Who argued that we shouldn't have any taxes? That would be no one. Who argues that sellers should be treated equally regardless of a physical store or an out of state internet company? All the dem blue states except the dems in Florida. Pointing out the hypocrisy to someone who loves taxes shows what you believe in. Florida doesn't waste money like Washington, Oregon, California or New York. Florida needed its unemployment fund restored. So, go after Amazon. Sounds good to me. Sounded good to DeSantis.TheKobeStopper said:Just so we’re clear, there are now situations where raising taxes is cool and sometimes the free market isn’t enough and the government needs to step in?
You know how I say you guys don’t believe in anything? How you have no ideology? This is it, this is why.
PS You know the name of the deep blue state that won the lead Supreme Court case allowing states to tax out of state internet companies? Try South Dakota v Wayfair.
PPS You suck at this. -
Free market would have taxes be the same on both groups, not give an advantage to one by not having the same playing field... you clearly failed economicsTheKobeStopper said:Just so we’re clear, there are now situations where raising taxes is cool and sometimes the free market isn’t enough and the government needs to step in?
You know how I say you guys don’t believe in anything? How you have no ideology? This is it, this is why. -
Free market doesn't solve everything, but if you think a government controlled economy is better for people, then you are delusional.TheKobeStopper said:Just so we’re clear, there are now situations where raising taxes is cool and sometimes the free market isn’t enough and the government needs to step in?
You know how I say you guys don’t believe in anything? How you have no ideology? This is it, this is why. -
Wayfair happened whether people like it or not, so there's really no reason for individual states to not tap into the tax revenue. And yeah, it helps level the playing field for small businesses against giant online retailers. It's a no-brainer policy decision.Bob_C said:Mixed on this whole sales tax thing. On the surface it’s bad for consumers and good for in state businesses in terms of ability to be competitive in price. Wayfair though is a real headache for businesses operating across multiple states, it’s regressive in terms of business scale in that context. My business went from filing sales tax in about 5 states to 40 overnight, requires headcount, ERP development and/or expensive SaaS to manage. Wasn’t aware that Florida had this pure online loophole, my business collects and remits plenty there despite not having a physical or people presence.
Back to your point, regressive taxes are totally acceptable to leftists in the form of purchasing power and regulation. -
greenblood said:
Free market doesn't solve everything, but if you think a government controlled economy is better for people, then you are delusional.TheKobeStopper said:Just so we’re clear, there are now situations where raising taxes is cool and sometimes the free market isn’t enough and the government needs to step in?
You know how I say you guys don’t believe in anything? How you have no ideology? This is it, this is why.Goduckies said:
Free market would have taxes be the same on both groups, not give an advantage to one by not having the same playing field... you clearly failed economicsTheKobeStopper said:Just so we’re clear, there are now situations where raising taxes is cool and sometimes the free market isn’t enough and the government needs to step in?
You know how I say you guys don’t believe in anything? How you have no ideology? This is it, this is why.
@GrundleStiltzkin we’ll never try and erase your existence in the libertarian left. The whole libertarian thing was always just a ruse for them anyways, plenty of room for you over here.WestlinnDuck said:
You buy that strawman dinner before the ass phucking began? Who argued that we shouldn't have any taxes? That would be no one. Who argues that sellers should be treated equally regardless of a physical store or an out of state internet company? All the dem blue states except the dems in Florida. Pointing out the hypocrisy to someone who loves taxes shows what you believe in. Florida doesn't waste money like Washington, Oregon, California or New York. Florida needed its unemployment fund restored. So, go after Amazon. Sounds good to me. Sounded good to DeSantis.TheKobeStopper said:Just so we’re clear, there are now situations where raising taxes is cool and sometimes the free market isn’t enough and the government needs to step in?
You know how I say you guys don’t believe in anything? How you have no ideology? This is it, this is why.
PS You know the name of the deep blue state that won the lead Supreme Court case allowing states to tax out of state internet companies? Try South Dakota v Wayfair.
PPS You suck at this. -
I don’t see this example as raising taxesTheKobeStopper said:Just so we’re clear, there are now situations where raising taxes is cool and sometimes the free market isn’t enough and the government needs to step in?
You know how I say you guys don’t believe in anything? How you have no ideology? This is it, this is why.
What I see is closing a loophole on taxes based on WHERE and HOW you do business
Perhaps I’ve interpreted what has happened here incorrectly ... but this as I see it is just making sure everything is treated equally -
Taxation is theft. I want less of it, you want more. Sounds like you have an ally in DeSantis.TheKobeStopper said:greenblood said:
Free market doesn't solve everything, but if you think a government controlled economy is better for people, then you are delusional.TheKobeStopper said:Just so we’re clear, there are now situations where raising taxes is cool and sometimes the free market isn’t enough and the government needs to step in?
You know how I say you guys don’t believe in anything? How you have no ideology? This is it, this is why.Goduckies said:
Free market would have taxes be the same on both groups, not give an advantage to one by not having the same playing field... you clearly failed economicsTheKobeStopper said:Just so we’re clear, there are now situations where raising taxes is cool and sometimes the free market isn’t enough and the government needs to step in?
You know how I say you guys don’t believe in anything? How you have no ideology? This is it, this is why.
@GrundleStiltzkin we’ll never try and erase your existence in the libertarian left. The whole libertarian thing was always just a ruse for them anyways, plenty of room for you over here.WestlinnDuck said:
You buy that strawman dinner before the ass phucking began? Who argued that we shouldn't have any taxes? That would be no one. Who argues that sellers should be treated equally regardless of a physical store or an out of state internet company? All the dem blue states except the dems in Florida. Pointing out the hypocrisy to someone who loves taxes shows what you believe in. Florida doesn't waste money like Washington, Oregon, California or New York. Florida needed its unemployment fund restored. So, go after Amazon. Sounds good to me. Sounded good to DeSantis.TheKobeStopper said:Just so we’re clear, there are now situations where raising taxes is cool and sometimes the free market isn’t enough and the government needs to step in?
You know how I say you guys don’t believe in anything? How you have no ideology? This is it, this is why.
PS You know the name of the deep blue state that won the lead Supreme Court case allowing states to tax out of state internet companies? Try South Dakota v Wayfair.
PPS You suck at this.
Per a NPR story this morning, Florida has more malarkey afoot with protest laws and shit. Burning shit and hurting people is illegal. Enforce the laws on the books, don't make more. The one part that did sound reasonable was getting people out of the fucking roads. I'm comfortable with my authoritarian hypocrisy there. -
I hope you're just trolling here. I reject any candidate for any party that is motivated by ideology instead of what is right. Which ideology is ruining cities and public education?TheKobeStopper said:Just so we’re clear, there are now situations where raising taxes is cool and sometimes the free market isn’t enough and the government needs to step in?
You know how I say you guys don’t believe in anything? How you have no ideology? This is it, this is why. -
Ze's trolling.hardhat said:
I hope you're just trolling here. I reject any candidate for any party that is motivated by ideology instead of what is right. Which ideology is ruining cities and public education?TheKobeStopper said:Just so we’re clear, there are now situations where raising taxes is cool and sometimes the free market isn’t enough and the government needs to step in?
You know how I say you guys don’t believe in anything? How you have no ideology? This is it, this is why. -
CHRISTTequilla said:
I don’t see this example as raising taxesTheKobeStopper said:Just so we’re clear, there are now situations where raising taxes is cool and sometimes the free market isn’t enough and the government needs to step in?
You know how I say you guys don’t believe in anything? How you have no ideology? This is it, this is why.
What I see is closing a loophole on taxes based on WHERE and HOW you do business
Perhaps I’ve interpreted what has happened here incorrectly ... but this as I see it is just making sure everything is treated equally -
Yeah, more than anything I just wanted to highlight that they don’t give two fucks about libertarianism. But I understand why you would think the same of me.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Taxation is theft. I want less of it, you want more. Sounds like you have an ally in DeSantis.TheKobeStopper said:greenblood said:
Free market doesn't solve everything, but if you think a government controlled economy is better for people, then you are delusional.TheKobeStopper said:Just so we’re clear, there are now situations where raising taxes is cool and sometimes the free market isn’t enough and the government needs to step in?
You know how I say you guys don’t believe in anything? How you have no ideology? This is it, this is why.Goduckies said:
Free market would have taxes be the same on both groups, not give an advantage to one by not having the same playing field... you clearly failed economicsTheKobeStopper said:Just so we’re clear, there are now situations where raising taxes is cool and sometimes the free market isn’t enough and the government needs to step in?
You know how I say you guys don’t believe in anything? How you have no ideology? This is it, this is why.
@GrundleStiltzkin we’ll never try and erase your existence in the libertarian left. The whole libertarian thing was always just a ruse for them anyways, plenty of room for you over here.WestlinnDuck said:
You buy that strawman dinner before the ass phucking began? Who argued that we shouldn't have any taxes? That would be no one. Who argues that sellers should be treated equally regardless of a physical store or an out of state internet company? All the dem blue states except the dems in Florida. Pointing out the hypocrisy to someone who loves taxes shows what you believe in. Florida doesn't waste money like Washington, Oregon, California or New York. Florida needed its unemployment fund restored. So, go after Amazon. Sounds good to me. Sounded good to DeSantis.TheKobeStopper said:Just so we’re clear, there are now situations where raising taxes is cool and sometimes the free market isn’t enough and the government needs to step in?
You know how I say you guys don’t believe in anything? How you have no ideology? This is it, this is why.
PS You know the name of the deep blue state that won the lead Supreme Court case allowing states to tax out of state internet companies? Try South Dakota v Wayfair.
PPS You suck at this.
Per a NPR story this morning, Florida has more malarkey afoot with protest laws and shit. Burning shit and hurting people is illegal. Enforce the laws on the books, don't make more. The one part that did sound reasonable was getting people out of the fucking roads. I'm comfortable with my authoritarian hypocrisy there. -
I hate trolls.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Ze's trolling.hardhat said:
I hope you're just trolling here. I reject any candidate for any party that is motivated by ideology instead of what is right. Which ideology is ruining cities and public education?TheKobeStopper said:Just so we’re clear, there are now situations where raising taxes is cool and sometimes the free market isn’t enough and the government needs to step in?
You know how I say you guys don’t believe in anything? How you have no ideology? This is it, this is why. -
Seems like a logical move to make to protect your home-grown businesses against online retailers. Selling widgets in-person or online, if there's a sales tax it should apply equally to either retailer.
That is not the same debate as whether or not sales taxes are good/bad/fair/unfair. -
I get the unequal footing part of that. However, flicking an arbitrary switch on the gubment cash vacuum helps the state first. Realistically, all this is inevitable in the Great SALT Wars of this Republic.BleachedAnusDawg said:Seems like a logical move to make to protect your home-grown businesses against online retailers. Selling widgets in-person or online, if there's a sales tax it should apply equally to either retailer.
That is not the same debate as whether or not sales taxes are good/bad/fair/unfair.
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The state benefits, they literally do nothing to suck in that revenue. I don’t know what the right answer is on all this, can confirm that small/medium business is greatly hurt by having to collect all these taxes.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I get the unequal footing part of that. However, flicking an arbitrary switch on the gubment cash vacuum helps the state first. Realistically, all this is inevitable in the Great SALT Wars of this Republic.BleachedAnusDawg said:Seems like a logical move to make to protect your home-grown businesses against online retailers. Selling widgets in-person or online, if there's a sales tax it should apply equally to either retailer.
That is not the same debate as whether or not sales taxes are good/bad/fair/unfair.
Wayfair helped the states, not the small businesses so much. People shop on Amazon for convenience and logistics more so than price. I just approved a purchase order for $75k for Avalara for the next 12 months of service.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Wayfair happened whether people like it or not, so there's really no reason for individual states to not tap into the tax revenue. And yeah, it helps level the playing field for small businesses against giant online retailers. It's a no-brainer policy decision.Bob_C said:Mixed on this whole sales tax thing. On the surface it’s bad for consumers and good for in state businesses in terms of ability to be competitive in price. Wayfair though is a real headache for businesses operating across multiple states, it’s regressive in terms of business scale in that context. My business went from filing sales tax in about 5 states to 40 overnight, requires headcount, ERP development and/or expensive SaaS to manage. Wasn’t aware that Florida had this pure online loophole, my business collects and remits plenty there despite not having a physical or people presence.
Back to your point, regressive taxes are totally acceptable to leftists in the form of purchasing power and regulation.
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In today's world the out of state internet companies are conducting business in the state given the size of their economic presence. What sucks is our Congress. They should have an interstate commerce act that there should be one federal filing (on behalf of the states) and that it would have all 50 states with one composite state sales tax rate. The states then would get there cut from the IRS administered program. The seller would have all the addresses for state filing purposes and file quarterly with the feds. But, no one in Congress understands anything, they always assume its simple - like banning internal combustion engines.Bob_C said:
The state benefits, they literally do nothing to suck in that revenue. I don’t know what the right answer is on all this, can confirm that small/medium business is greatly hurt by having to collect all these taxes.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I get the unequal footing part of that. However, flicking an arbitrary switch on the gubment cash vacuum helps the state first. Realistically, all this is inevitable in the Great SALT Wars of this Republic.BleachedAnusDawg said:Seems like a logical move to make to protect your home-grown businesses against online retailers. Selling widgets in-person or online, if there's a sales tax it should apply equally to either retailer.
That is not the same debate as whether or not sales taxes are good/bad/fair/unfair.
Wayfair helped the states, not the small businesses so much. People shop on Amazon for convenience and logistics more so than price. I just approved a purchase order for $75k for Avalara for the next 12 months of service.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Wayfair happened whether people like it or not, so there's really no reason for individual states to not tap into the tax revenue. And yeah, it helps level the playing field for small businesses against giant online retailers. It's a no-brainer policy decision.Bob_C said:Mixed on this whole sales tax thing. On the surface it’s bad for consumers and good for in state businesses in terms of ability to be competitive in price. Wayfair though is a real headache for businesses operating across multiple states, it’s regressive in terms of business scale in that context. My business went from filing sales tax in about 5 states to 40 overnight, requires headcount, ERP development and/or expensive SaaS to manage. Wasn’t aware that Florida had this pure online loophole, my business collects and remits plenty there despite not having a physical or people presence.
Back to your point, regressive taxes are totally acceptable to leftists in the form of purchasing power and regulation. -
That's a fair point - the cost of compliance is certainly a force working the wrong direction.Bob_C said:
The state benefits, they literally do nothing to suck in that revenue. I don’t know what the right answer is on all this, can confirm that small/medium business is greatly hurt by having to collect all these taxes.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I get the unequal footing part of that. However, flicking an arbitrary switch on the gubment cash vacuum helps the state first. Realistically, all this is inevitable in the Great SALT Wars of this Republic.BleachedAnusDawg said:Seems like a logical move to make to protect your home-grown businesses against online retailers. Selling widgets in-person or online, if there's a sales tax it should apply equally to either retailer.
That is not the same debate as whether or not sales taxes are good/bad/fair/unfair.
Wayfair helped the states, not the small businesses so much. People shop on Amazon for convenience and logistics more so than price. I just approved a purchase order for $75k for Avalara for the next 12 months of service.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Wayfair happened whether people like it or not, so there's really no reason for individual states to not tap into the tax revenue. And yeah, it helps level the playing field for small businesses against giant online retailers. It's a no-brainer policy decision.Bob_C said:Mixed on this whole sales tax thing. On the surface it’s bad for consumers and good for in state businesses in terms of ability to be competitive in price. Wayfair though is a real headache for businesses operating across multiple states, it’s regressive in terms of business scale in that context. My business went from filing sales tax in about 5 states to 40 overnight, requires headcount, ERP development and/or expensive SaaS to manage. Wasn’t aware that Florida had this pure online loophole, my business collects and remits plenty there despite not having a physical or people presence.
Back to your point, regressive taxes are totally acceptable to leftists in the form of purchasing power and regulation. -
What exactly do you disagree with?TheKobeStopper said:
CHRISTTequilla said:
I don’t see this example as raising taxesTheKobeStopper said:Just so we’re clear, there are now situations where raising taxes is cool and sometimes the free market isn’t enough and the government needs to step in?
You know how I say you guys don’t believe in anything? How you have no ideology? This is it, this is why.
What I see is closing a loophole on taxes based on WHERE and HOW you do business
Perhaps I’ve interpreted what has happened here incorrectly ... but this as I see it is just making sure everything is treated equally
As I said previously, this is closing a loophole where local businesses that are in traditional brick & mortar's are at a competitive disadvantage to online retailers who are able (apparently under Florida law to date) avoid charging sales taxes on products because their physical location isn't in Florida.
This loophole closing has been common in many states and I'm somewhat surprised that this hasn't been closed in Florida until now.
As others noted, closing loopholes doesn't mean that taxes are good or whatever in general.
The reality is that there's always going to be some level of taxes. Where there's room and reason to debate is how much to tax (aligned to government spending), how/what to tax, and ensuring that the way that taxes are applied is equitable (in other words I'm not for finding ways to tax disproportionately those that can least afford the tax). I'm also not for taxing items because from a government perspective that you're trying to dictate behavior (i.e. the sugar tax in Seattle that isn't applied in any way, shape, or form consistently). -
Only ideologues have ideologies. And ideologues can't be persuaded by facts.TheKobeStopper said:Just so we’re clear, there are now situations where raising taxes is cool and sometimes the free market isn’t enough and the government needs to step in?
You know how I say you guys don’t believe in anything? How you have no ideology? This is it, this is why.
So who the hell wants to be an ideologue? A dummy, that's who. -
I just finished implementing avalara.Bob_C said:
The state benefits, they literally do nothing to suck in that revenue. I don’t know what the right answer is on all this, can confirm that small/medium business is greatly hurt by having to collect all these taxes.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I get the unequal footing part of that. However, flicking an arbitrary switch on the gubment cash vacuum helps the state first. Realistically, all this is inevitable in the Great SALT Wars of this Republic.BleachedAnusDawg said:Seems like a logical move to make to protect your home-grown businesses against online retailers. Selling widgets in-person or online, if there's a sales tax it should apply equally to either retailer.
That is not the same debate as whether or not sales taxes are good/bad/fair/unfair.
Wayfair helped the states, not the small businesses so much. People shop on Amazon for convenience and logistics more so than price. I just approved a purchase order for $75k for Avalara for the next 12 months of service.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Wayfair happened whether people like it or not, so there's really no reason for individual states to not tap into the tax revenue. And yeah, it helps level the playing field for small businesses against giant online retailers. It's a no-brainer policy decision.Bob_C said:Mixed on this whole sales tax thing. On the surface it’s bad for consumers and good for in state businesses in terms of ability to be competitive in price. Wayfair though is a real headache for businesses operating across multiple states, it’s regressive in terms of business scale in that context. My business went from filing sales tax in about 5 states to 40 overnight, requires headcount, ERP development and/or expensive SaaS to manage. Wasn’t aware that Florida had this pure online loophole, my business collects and remits plenty there despite not having a physical or people presence.
Back to your point, regressive taxes are totally acceptable to leftists in the form of purchasing power and regulation.
Holy fuck man. The slowest implementation of all time for like a day totals worth of work. Took like 4 months.
Hour long meeting, 10 mins of work. Following week hour long meeting, 10 mins of work.
They have no clue what they are doing. The product itself is fine but God damn it was brutal. -
Similar experience. They want to make you suffer on implementations as a deterrent to changing out vendors later.Pitchfork51 said:
I just finished implementing avalara.Bob_C said:
The state benefits, they literally do nothing to suck in that revenue. I don’t know what the right answer is on all this, can confirm that small/medium business is greatly hurt by having to collect all these taxes.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I get the unequal footing part of that. However, flicking an arbitrary switch on the gubment cash vacuum helps the state first. Realistically, all this is inevitable in the Great SALT Wars of this Republic.BleachedAnusDawg said:Seems like a logical move to make to protect your home-grown businesses against online retailers. Selling widgets in-person or online, if there's a sales tax it should apply equally to either retailer.
That is not the same debate as whether or not sales taxes are good/bad/fair/unfair.
Wayfair helped the states, not the small businesses so much. People shop on Amazon for convenience and logistics more so than price. I just approved a purchase order for $75k for Avalara for the next 12 months of service.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Wayfair happened whether people like it or not, so there's really no reason for individual states to not tap into the tax revenue. And yeah, it helps level the playing field for small businesses against giant online retailers. It's a no-brainer policy decision.Bob_C said:Mixed on this whole sales tax thing. On the surface it’s bad for consumers and good for in state businesses in terms of ability to be competitive in price. Wayfair though is a real headache for businesses operating across multiple states, it’s regressive in terms of business scale in that context. My business went from filing sales tax in about 5 states to 40 overnight, requires headcount, ERP development and/or expensive SaaS to manage. Wasn’t aware that Florida had this pure online loophole, my business collects and remits plenty there despite not having a physical or people presence.
Back to your point, regressive taxes are totally acceptable to leftists in the form of purchasing power and regulation.
Holy fuck man. The slowest implementation of all time for like a day totals worth of work. Took like 4 months.
Hour long meeting, 10 mins of work. Following week hour long meeting, 10 mins of work.
They have no clue what they are doing. The product itself is fine but God damn it was brutal. -
They also like only sold avatax first then when I got involved I'm like wtf we need certcapture dude. That's the main attraction.Bob_C said:
Similar experience. They want to make you suffer on implementations as a deterrent to changing out vendors later.Pitchfork51 said:
I just finished implementing avalara.Bob_C said:
The state benefits, they literally do nothing to suck in that revenue. I don’t know what the right answer is on all this, can confirm that small/medium business is greatly hurt by having to collect all these taxes.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I get the unequal footing part of that. However, flicking an arbitrary switch on the gubment cash vacuum helps the state first. Realistically, all this is inevitable in the Great SALT Wars of this Republic.BleachedAnusDawg said:Seems like a logical move to make to protect your home-grown businesses against online retailers. Selling widgets in-person or online, if there's a sales tax it should apply equally to either retailer.
That is not the same debate as whether or not sales taxes are good/bad/fair/unfair.
Wayfair helped the states, not the small businesses so much. People shop on Amazon for convenience and logistics more so than price. I just approved a purchase order for $75k for Avalara for the next 12 months of service.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Wayfair happened whether people like it or not, so there's really no reason for individual states to not tap into the tax revenue. And yeah, it helps level the playing field for small businesses against giant online retailers. It's a no-brainer policy decision.Bob_C said:Mixed on this whole sales tax thing. On the surface it’s bad for consumers and good for in state businesses in terms of ability to be competitive in price. Wayfair though is a real headache for businesses operating across multiple states, it’s regressive in terms of business scale in that context. My business went from filing sales tax in about 5 states to 40 overnight, requires headcount, ERP development and/or expensive SaaS to manage. Wasn’t aware that Florida had this pure online loophole, my business collects and remits plenty there despite not having a physical or people presence.
Back to your point, regressive taxes are totally acceptable to leftists in the form of purchasing power and regulation.
Holy fuck man. The slowest implementation of all time for like a day totals worth of work. Took like 4 months.
Hour long meeting, 10 mins of work. Following week hour long meeting, 10 mins of work.
They have no clue what they are doing. The product itself is fine but God damn it was brutal.
So of course you can't do one without the other. They had a meeting on Monday that I joined basically bitching at us for starting the campaign without them lol. I was like I don't give a fuck. I'll let the project lead deal with that.
I just cared about being able to set up new customers from the crm through their api.
Existing ones can go fuck themselves. Now that we're charging tax they can give the damn tax exempt shit that they ignored us asking for for the past year. -
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