A Q for the bored
I wonder because obviously child molesters are vilified and we wish nothing but a cruel and painful death for them, and their victims are treated very sympathetically and with great care. When victim turns into victimizer due to the abuse, is sympathy given to the victim negated?
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that is a great question and speaks to the need to discern truth rather than to judge it.
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Sounds to me like you're being a twister
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You forgot to add "asking for a fren."
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I didn't forget...Swaye said:You forgot to add "asking for a fren."
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MikeDamone said:
I didn't forget...Swaye said:You forgot to add "asking for a fren."
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But seriously, I feel bad for you if you get molestered. Really bad. I would even offer to shoot the molester, and mean it. However, if you then go molest a child, knowing how it fucked your entire world up, then I have little sympathy for you. And, I would shoot them as well. But, I'm an asshole.
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Then you would go to jail for shooting someone....Swaye said:But seriously, I feel bad for you if you get molestered. Really bad. I would even offer to shoot the molester, and mean it. However, if you then go molest a child, knowing how it fucked your entire world up, then I have little sympathy for you. And, I would shoot them as well. But, I'm an asshole.
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There isn't anything lower than hurting a child. But if you follow the same path and you know the pain and trauma it causes.....then I hope you DIAFF.
That being said....My Doog quote of the day....I'd rather my 4 year old son showers at Penn State then go to UO. -
So no sympathy if the trauma caused by the molestation caused the victim to become a molester?HuskyJW said:There isn't anything lower than hurting a child. But if you follow the same path and you know the pain and trauma it causes.....then I hope you DIAFF.
That being said....My Doog quote of the day....I'd rather my 4 year old son showers at Penn State then go to UO.
What should be done with molestation victims?
I found this in a study
"Among 747 males the risk of being a perpetrator was positively correlated with reported sexual abuse victim experiences. The overall rate of having been a victim was 35% for perpetrators and 11% for non-perpetrators. Of the 96 females, 43% had been victims but only one was a perpetrator. A high percentage of male subjects abused in childhood by a female relative became perpetrators. Having been a victim was a strong predictor of becoming a perpetrator, as was an index of parental loss in childhood."
bjp.rcpsych.org/content/179/6/482.full
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What about HH members who are abused by other poasters and then become abusive poasters themselves? Do you feel any sympathy for them?
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No. They should be shot.oregonblitzkrieg said:What about HH members who are abused by other poasters and then become abusive poasters themselves? Do you feel any sympathy for them?
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I'm sure there might be some that have the sentiment "poor kid never stood a chance." Maybe even a grain of truth to it.....but you're older now and you know it's wrong.MikeDamone said:
So no sympathy if the trauma caused by the molestation caused the victim to become a molester?HuskyJW said:There isn't anything lower than hurting a child. But if you follow the same path and you know the pain and trauma it causes.....then I hope you DIAFF.
That being said....My Doog quote of the day....I'd rather my 4 year old son showers at Penn State then go to UO.
What should be done with molestation victims?
I found this in a study
"Among 747 males the risk of being a perpetrator was positively correlated with reported sexual abuse victim experiences. The overall rate of having been a victim was 35% for perpetrators and 11% for non-perpetrators. Of the 96 females, 43% had been victims but only one was a perpetrator. A high percentage of male subjects abused in childhood by a female relative became perpetrators. Having been a victim was a strong predictor of becoming a perpetrator, as was an index of parental loss in childhood."
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Does this mean they are less valuable than rhinos? Or are you saying that some of them need to be shot in order to ensure that a healthy herd of abusive posters survives?MikeDamone said:
No. They should be shot.oregonblitzkrieg said:What about HH members who are abused by other poasters and then become abusive poasters themselves? Do you feel any sympathy for them?
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I would invoke the "Stand Your Ground Law," whether it existed in that State or not.MikeDamone said:
Then you would go to jail for shooting someone....Swaye said:But seriously, I feel bad for you if you get molestered. Really bad. I would even offer to shoot the molester, and mean it. However, if you then go molest a child, knowing how it fucked your entire world up, then I have little sympathy for you. And, I would shoot them as well. But, I'm an asshole.
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Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.Swaye said:But seriously, I feel bad for you if you get molestered. Really bad. I would even offer to shoot the molester, and mean it. However, if you then go molest a child, knowing how it fucked your entire world up, then I have little sympathy for you. And, I would shoot them as well. But, I'm an asshole.
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If he shot someone (and then went to jail)... will the shooting victim have a higher chance of becoming a shooter? And if so, if caught, would that victim, turned shooter, get some sympathy for first being a shooting victim?MikeDamone said:
Then you would go to jail for shooting someone....Swaye said:But seriously, I feel bad for you if you get molestered. Really bad. I would even offer to shoot the molester, and mean it. However, if you then go molest a child, knowing how it fucked your entire world up, then I have little sympathy for you. And, I would shoot them as well. But, I'm an asshole.
Almost reminds me of one of the secular theories behind the idea of original sin. -
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I have sympathy for the abusers. Whether they were abused or not. There is something wrong them.
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Explaining why someone did something and feeling bad for them doesn't excuse it. You need to learn the difference.dflea said:
Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.Swaye said:But seriously, I feel bad for you if you get molestered. Really bad. I would even offer to shoot the molester, and mean it. However, if you then go molest a child, knowing how it fucked your entire world up, then I have little sympathy for you. And, I would shoot them as well. But, I'm an asshole.
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I haven't totally thought through how I feel about this. In general, I think yes, the molester should be held accountable and be punished. But knowing the reason he became a molester in the first place was his inability to deal with the trauma of being a victim, I think makes me less to jump on the typical profiles in courage response to shoot him or say that he should be put in prison and chained to a wall so he can be raped daily like you read so many people say and post in comments sections.
The real question is once someone is a victim, what could be done to prevent them from being a perpetrator?
I just find it ironic how the victim garners so much sympathy, but if that same victim turn perpetrator, so many advocate the most cruel and violent punishment.
It seems most often people just react to what's in front of them at the moment and then just go about their business without much thought. It's the outrage of the day mentality combined with short attention spans that have taken over. That and if you come express outrage over something on the surface, many people are doing it as a way to create an image of themselves on how they are seen by others...they really don't give a fuck about the issue as much as they are expressing. If you followed up with them 2 months later, you would find that other than being pissed off for 10 minutes at the time, they haven't lifted a finger to help solve the problem.
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sounds like some university needs a grant so they can study the poasters of Hardcore Husky.HuskyJW said:I'm sure there might be some that have the sentiment "poor kid never stood a chance." Maybe even a grain of truth to it.....but you're older now and you know it's wrong.
MikeDamone said:
So no sympathy if the trauma caused by the molestation caused the victim to become a molester?HuskyJW said:There isn't anything lower than hurting a child. But if you follow the same path and you know the pain and trauma it causes.....then I hope you DIAFF.
That being said....My Doog quote of the day....I'd rather my 4 year old son showers at Penn State then go to UO.
What should be done with molestation victims?
I found this in a study
"Among 747 males the risk of being a perpetrator was positively correlated with reported sexual abuse victim experiences. The overall rate of having been a victim was 35% for perpetrators and 11% for non-perpetrators. Of the 96 females, 43% had been victims but only one was a perpetrator. A high percentage of male subjects abused in childhood by a female relative became perpetrators. Having been a victim was a strong predictor of becoming a perpetrator, as was an index of parental loss in childhood."
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I agree that most molesters including the older Sandusky were molested themselves but I don't have sympathy for molesters. They need to learn how to exhibit self control over their urges, no matter how strong. Most if not all molesters know what they are doing is wrong and feel guilt to borderline suicidal after committing the horrific acts.MikeDamone said:I read that Sandusky's son is going go on Oprah and tell about how he was abused by Sandusky. It got me thinking... It is known that victims of abuse often become abusers. Would there be any sympathy if any of Sandusky's victims were ever identified as molesters themselves? If Sandusky was a victim of abuse would there be any sympathy for him?
I wonder because obviously child molesters are vilified and we wish nothing but a cruel and painful death for them, and their victims are treated very sympathetically and with great care. When victim turns into victimizer due to the abuse, is sympathy given to the victim negated?
After all Many of us non-molesters have about busted our waistbands when being around a hot treat whose 16 going on 25 and a little flirty. But we didn't act upon that urge because a) the potential 15-20 and b) It's just not right in our culture.
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16 is legal is some States. Just sayin'.salemcoog said:
I agree that most molesters including the older Sandusky were molested themselves but I don't have sympathy for molesters. They need to learn how to exhibit self control over their urges, no matter how strong. Most if not all molesters know what they are doing is wrong and feel guilt to borderline suicidal after committing the horrific acts.MikeDamone said:I read that Sandusky's son is going go on Oprah and tell about how he was abused by Sandusky. It got me thinking... It is known that victims of abuse often become abusers. Would there be any sympathy if any of Sandusky's victims were ever identified as molesters themselves? If Sandusky was a victim of abuse would there be any sympathy for him?
I wonder because obviously child molesters are vilified and we wish nothing but a cruel and painful death for them, and their victims are treated very sympathetically and with great care. When victim turns into victimizer due to the abuse, is sympathy given to the victim negated?
After all Many of us non-molesters have about busted our waistbands when being around a hot treat whose 16 going on 25 and a little flirty. But we didn't act upon that urge because a) the potential 15-20 and b) It's just not right in our culture.
For a molester there is help for their urges. They just need to have the guts to face up to their condition and get the help. -
Damone for Governor.
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Serious answer: I think that evidence that a perpetrator was molested as a child should be admitted as "evidence in mitigation" on sentencing and should be considered for that purpose.
The problem is, however, that treatment programs for pedophiles are notoriously ineffective and pedophiles have extremely high recividism rates. So, if you're looking to rehabilitate the offender or protect society, you don't really get much from mitigation for abused pedos.
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Simple solution. Amputate the penis and nutsack after the first offense. Give them to someone who really needs some balls. Problem solved.
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TheGlove said:
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Take this molestor shit to the Jesuit board where it belongs.
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I don't need to do anything because I'm not a judge. The explaining part is for the sentencing phase of the trial. Let's say the perp gets half the sentence he otherwise would is he can produce evidence he was abused.allpurpleallgold said:
Explaining why someone did something and feeling bad for them doesn't excuse it. You need to learn the difference.dflea said:
Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.Swaye said:But seriously, I feel bad for you if you get molestered. Really bad. I would even offer to shoot the molester, and mean it. However, if you then go molest a child, knowing how it fucked your entire world up, then I have little sympathy for you. And, I would shoot them as well. But, I'm an asshole.
Every motherfucker can find an excuse if they need one, and they look hard enough.
Explain it all you want, I don't give a fuck. People get handed baggage every day of their lives - some of it is heavy, some isn't. Whether you carry that baggage with you is your choice. The fact that the majority of those abused DO NOT become abusers proves it. It's just like kids whose parents knocked the crap out of them are more likely to do the same to their kids...........because they're still packing the baggage from their childhood. Well, there are plenty of parents who were knocked around that DON'T knock their kids around. They are parents that set that bag down and did what they knew was right, not what was done to them.
It's like I said...............every motherfucker has an excuse. Just ask them. If you had a kid that was abused, I think your sympathy meter might swing the other way, regardless if the abuser was abused.
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I blame guns.MikeDamone said:
So no sympathy if the trauma caused by the molestation caused the victim to become a molester?HuskyJW said:There isn't anything lower than hurting a child. But if you follow the same path and you know the pain and trauma it causes.....then I hope you DIAFF.
That being said....My Doog quote of the day....I'd rather my 4 year old son showers at Penn State then go to UO.
What should be done with molestation victims?
I found this in a study
"Among 747 males the risk of being a perpetrator was positively correlated with reported sexual abuse victim experiences. The overall rate of having been a victim was 35% for perpetrators and 11% for non-perpetrators. Of the 96 females, 43% had been victims but only one was a perpetrator. A high percentage of male subjects abused in childhood by a female relative became perpetrators. Having been a victim was a strong predictor of becoming a perpetrator, as was an index of parental loss in childhood."
bjp.rcpsych.org/content/179/6/482.full
