It's hard for some to understand this, but some of us like projecting players' futures based on what we can see now. It's nice, but unnecessary, of some of you fucktards to remind us that they haven't actually done what we're predicting they will do. That's why it's called a prediction you fucking retards.
I only have a problem with it when the high school predictions turn into excuse making and playing favorites. You gotta stop giving a fuck about their HUDL’s once you watch them play in college games.
Agree. I do refer to the hudl at times for 2nd year guys who haven't seen the field yet. It would probably be in defense of someone that is being dismissed as a bust. Highlight tape value is diminished quite a bit by that point, but it's still all the video I have to go on. It's a way to estimate their one time potential.
Came here to point out exactly this. Browning did not play in a fourth quarter his entire senior year, including the state championship game, a game in which he went 27-35 for 445 and 6 TDs against Oceanside. They won 68-7 and forced a running clock (35 point or greater margin) in a fucking championship game! In fact, that team forced running clock finishes in 16 straight games his senior season.
I was there!
That Folsom team was next level, the coaching and organization was clearly superior to any high school team.
I'm not surprised that guy was picked up to run Utah's offense.
Also where I saw that 5star OL Jonah guy who ended up at Bama and a 1st rounder. I had no clue he was a national recruit and an amateur like me me noticed he was special (probably step 1 to being a true 5-star)
It's hard for some to understand this, but some of us like projecting players' futures based on what we can see now. It's nice, but unnecessary, of some of you fucktards to remind us that they haven't actually done what we're predicting they will do. That's why it's called a prediction you fucking retards.
I only have a problem with it when the high school predictions turn into excuse making and playing favorites. You gotta stop giving a fuck about their HUDL’s once you watch them play in college games.
It's hard for some to understand this, but some of us like projecting players' futures based on what we can see now. It's nice, but unnecessary, of some of you fucktards to remind us that they haven't actually done what we're predicting they will do. That's why it's called a prediction you fucking retards.
I only have a problem with it when the high school predictions turn into excuse making and playing favorites. You gotta stop giving a fuck about their HUDL’s once you watch them play in college games.
Case in point: Asa Turner
I remember the Asa recruitment because it was peak Jimmy worship for always beating Notre Dame for recruits on the back end
There’s 4 general skills a QB can be judged on: 1) Arm talent 2) Ability to read defenses and make good decisions 3) Pocket mobility and not Browsocking under pressure 4) Ability to take off and run when the defense leaves a lane open
Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers are examples of what happens when you’re elite at all 4.
All we know about Sam Huard right now is that he’s elite at #1. High school defenses are bullshit, so it’s impossible to say anything about #2-4 except that he doesn’t have any red flags in those areas.
Sirmon had a red flag at #2. You could probably say that Eason was in the same boat as Huard coming out... but he ended up being questionable at #2, terrible at #3 and 4. Morris is average at #1/#2 but elite at #3.
TL;DR LIPO with Sam Huard cause we don’t know enough yet
There’s 4 general skills a QB can be judged on: 1) Arm talent 2) Ability to read defenses and make good decisions 3) Pocket mobility and not Browsocking under pressure 4) Ability to take off and run when the defense leaves a lane open
Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers are examples of what happens when you’re elite at all 4.
All we know about Sam Huard right now is that he’s elite at #1. High school defenses are bullshit, so it’s impossible to say anything about #2-4 except that he doesn’t have any red flags in those areas.
Sirmon had a red flag at #2. You could probably say that Eason was in the same boat as Huard coming out... but he ended up being questionable at #2, terrible at #3 and 4. Morris is average at #1/#2 but elite at #3.
TL;DR LIPO with Sam Huard cause we don’t know enough yet
Pretty good post but you're either missing accuracy or you've rolled it into arm talent which I think is a separate category.
Sam has like A- arm talent (he can't make some of the throws Eason could) but A++ accuracy which is the massive differentiator between him and basically all the highly rated local QB's of the past 15 years. Nobody else was an A in both:
Locker A+ arm talent D+ accuracy Heaps C arm talent A- accuracy Eason A+ arm talent C accuracy Max Brown fuck if I remember anything about that guy
Sam's accuracy gives him a higher floor than any of them and combined with his arm talent gives him a ceiling higher than any of them aside from maybe Lockner (Jack was absolutely elite at both 3 and 4 on your list and Sam is unlikely to be elite at either though probably pretty good at both).
The real question is what Sam can do in your category 2? Yet given his bloodlines, family resources and the fact he picked Kennedy over the other powers like EC specifically for the QB coaching, I would guess he's at least decent with a real shot at exceptional in that category as well.
If Sam busts it will be the biggest surprise of my 23ish years of TBS'ing.
There’s 4 general skills a QB can be judged on: 1) Arm talent 2) Ability to read defenses and make good decisions 3) Pocket mobility and not Browsocking under pressure 4) Ability to take off and run when the defense leaves a lane open
Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers are examples of what happens when you’re elite at all 4.
All we know about Sam Huard right now is that he’s elite at #1. High school defenses are bullshit, so it’s impossible to say anything about #2-4 except that he doesn’t have any red flags in those areas.
Sirmon had a red flag at #2. You could probably say that Eason was in the same boat as Huard coming out... but he ended up being questionable at #2, terrible at #3 and 4. Morris is average at #1/#2 but elite at #3.
TL;DR LIPO with Sam Huard cause we don’t know enough yet
Pretty good post but you're either missing accuracy or you've rolled it into arm talent which I think is a separate category.
Sam has like A- arm talent (he can't make some of the throws Eason could) but A++ accuracy which is the massive differentiator between him and basically all the highly rated local QB's of the past 15 years. Nobody else was an A in both:
Locker A+ arm talent D+ accuracy Heaps C arm talent A- accuracy Eason A+ arm talent C accuracy Max Brown fuck if I remember anything about that guy
Sam's accuracy gives him a higher floor than any of them and combined with his arm talent gives him a ceiling higher than any of them aside from maybe Lockner (Jack was absolutely elite at both 3 and 4 on your list and Sam is unlikely to be elite at either though probably pretty good at both).
The real question is what Sam can do in your category 2? Yet given his bloodlines, family resources and the fact he picked Kennedy over the other powers like EC specifically for the QB coaching, I would guess he's at least decent with a real shot at exceptional in that category as well.
If Sam busts it will be the biggest surprise of my 23ish years of TBS'ing.
Not that I am one to defend Brownsocks, but he really had 2 different careers. Before the shoulder injury at Oregon and after. Before he was elite and after he was average. Affected his accuracy and time in pocket significantly.
As for Huard, I alway thought Jughead Brock and his ilk were overrated. Same opinion of Sam until proven otherwise. And I don’t give a damn about running at QB. No QB should run, except to draw a defender to open a receiver.
Not that I am one to defend Brownsocks, but he really had 2 different careers. Before the shoulder injury at Oregon and after. Before he was elite and after he was average. Affected his accuracy and time in pocket significantly.
As for Huard, I alway thought Jughead Brock and his ilk were overrated. Same opinion of Sam until proven otherwise. And I don’t give a damn about running at QB. No QB should run, except to draw a defender to open a receiver.
Jake was never elite. He may have been above average before the injury (against Oregon State), but that requires the qualifiers of "as a sophomore". He most certainly wasn't elite as a freshman.
The problem with that is we're now talking 6 and a half games which is not only a really small sample but a sample in which he only played one close game (Arizona) and never threw more than 28 passes.
I don't think 6 1/2 games where he averaged 24 passes a game is enough to declare someone "elite".
There’s 4 general skills a QB can be judged on: 1) Arm talent 2) Ability to read defenses and make good decisions 3) Pocket mobility and not Browsocking under pressure 4) Ability to take off and run when the defense leaves a lane open
Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers are examples of what happens when you’re elite at all 4.
All we know about Sam Huard right now is that he’s elite at #1. High school defenses are bullshit, so it’s impossible to say anything about #2-4 except that he doesn’t have any red flags in those areas.
Sirmon had a red flag at #2. You could probably say that Eason was in the same boat as Huard coming out... but he ended up being questionable at #2, terrible at #3 and 4. Morris is average at #1/#2 but elite at #3.
TL;DR LIPO with Sam Huard cause we don’t know enough yet
Pretty good post but you're either missing accuracy or you've rolled it into arm talent which I think is a separate category.
Sam has like A- arm talent (he can't make some of the throws Eason could) but A++ accuracy which is the massive differentiator between him and basically all the highly rated local QB's of the past 15 years. Nobody else was an A in both:
Locker A+ arm talent D+ accuracy Heaps C arm talent A- accuracy Eason A+ arm talent C accuracy Max Brown fuck if I remember anything about that guy
Sam's accuracy gives him a higher floor than any of them and combined with his arm talent gives him a ceiling higher than any of them aside from maybe Lockner (Jack was absolutely elite at both 3 and 4 on your list and Sam is unlikely to be elite at either though probably pretty good at both).
The real question is what Sam can do in your category 2? Yet given his bloodlines, family resources and the fact he picked Kennedy over the other powers like EC specifically for the QB coaching, I would guess he's at least decent with a real shot at exceptional in that category as well.
If Sam busts it will be the biggest surprise of my 23ish years of TBS'ing.
I guess I should have defined the difference here. To me arm talent is "what throws can you make" and accuracy is "how frequently can you make them".
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That Folsom team was next level, the coaching and organization was clearly superior to any high school team.
I'm not surprised that guy was picked up to run Utah's offense.
Also where I saw that 5star OL Jonah guy who ended up at Bama and a 1st rounder. I had no clue he was a national recruit and an amateur like me me noticed he was special (probably step 1 to being a true 5-star)
Just adds to the disappointment
Maybe he will bust but it certainly won’t have anything to do with Jake Browning.
Brock was central casting.
This century I agree with you
1) Arm talent
2) Ability to read defenses and make good decisions
3) Pocket mobility and not Browsocking under pressure
4) Ability to take off and run when the defense leaves a lane open
Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers are examples of what happens when you’re elite at all 4.
All we know about Sam Huard right now is that he’s elite at #1. High school defenses are bullshit, so it’s impossible to say anything about #2-4 except that he doesn’t have any red flags in those areas.
Sirmon had a red flag at #2. You could probably say that Eason was in the same boat as Huard coming out... but he ended up being questionable at #2, terrible at #3 and 4. Morris is average at #1/#2 but elite at #3.
TL;DR LIPO with Sam Huard cause we don’t know enough yet
Only Billy beats Nebraska
Sam has like A- arm talent (he can't make some of the throws Eason could) but A++ accuracy which is the massive differentiator between him and basically all the highly rated local QB's of the past 15 years. Nobody else was an A in both:
Locker A+ arm talent D+ accuracy
Heaps C arm talent A- accuracy
Eason A+ arm talent C accuracy
Max Brown fuck if I remember anything about that guy
Sam's accuracy gives him a higher floor than any of them and combined with his arm talent gives him a ceiling higher than any of them aside from maybe Lockner (Jack was absolutely elite at both 3 and 4 on your list and Sam is unlikely to be elite at either though probably pretty good at both).
The real question is what Sam can do in your category 2? Yet given his bloodlines, family resources and the fact he picked Kennedy over the other powers like EC specifically for the QB coaching, I would guess he's at least decent with a real shot at exceptional in that category as well.
If Sam busts it will be the biggest surprise of my 23ish years of TBS'ing.
Never felt better about him.
As for Huard, I alway thought Jughead Brock and his ilk were overrated. Same opinion of Sam until proven otherwise. And I don’t give a damn about running at QB. No QB should run, except to draw a defender to open a receiver.
The problem with that is we're now talking 6 and a half games which is not only a really small sample but a sample in which he only played one close game (Arizona) and never threw more than 28 passes.
I don't think 6 1/2 games where he averaged 24 passes a game is enough to declare someone "elite".