Sam Huard
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dnc said:
Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. You will hear of woofs and rumors of woofs, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Program will rise against program, and conference against conference. There will be sanctions and firings in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains. At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false messiahs and false dawgfathers will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.YellowSnow said:
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Sam has superior arm talent. It’s not that hard to see that.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Browning threw for the most TDs ever in HS
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Did you know Powerball has really high odds? Almost impossible to winchuck said:It's hard for some to understand this, but some of us like projecting players' futures based on what we can see now. It's nice, but unnecessary, of some of you fucktards to remind us that they haven't actually done what we're predicting they will do. That's why it's called a prediction you fucking retards.
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HH is not for sermon seekers.dnc said:
Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. You will hear of woofs and rumors of woofs, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Program will rise against program, and conference against conference. There will be sanctions and firings in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains. At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false messiahs and false dawgfathers will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.YellowSnow said: -
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Won't matter how good he is if we don't have a competent offense. And we won't, as always.
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as always the great debate about the highly ranked QB arrives at UW with Great Expectations.
Rarely does the QB play well 3/3 and never 4/4 years while we suffer liver damage. Bad enough that those that don't drink get damaged livers.
Sam hopefully will be able to connect with Otton I and hopefully version II. The other WRs will still be trying to break free at the LOS when Otton is 20 yds downfield.
His failure will fall upon the coaches to give him supporting cast. I base this on how Browning/Eason got worse as the career/season went on. -
Thisjecornel said:
Sam lives up to the hype....COOK IT.
Look at the people surrounding him the last 17 years.
He’s all purple and gold. HE WANTS TO BE HERE. -
The rumor is that Sam wants to red shirt.
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I only have a problem with it when the high school predictions turn into excuse making and playing favorites. You gotta stop giving a fuck about their HUDL’s once you watch them play in college games.chuck said:It's hard for some to understand this, but some of us like projecting players' futures based on what we can see now. It's nice, but unnecessary, of some of you fucktards to remind us that they haven't actually done what we're predicting they will do. That's why it's called a prediction you fucking retards.
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Huard's film is absolutely fucking gorgeous.
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Agree. I do refer to the hudl at times for 2nd year guys who haven't seen the field yet. It would probably be in defense of someone that is being dismissed as a bust. Highlight tape value is diminished quite a bit by that point, but it's still all the video I have to go on. It's a way to estimate their one time potential.RoadDawg55 said:
I only have a problem with it when the high school predictions turn into excuse making and playing favorites. You gotta stop giving a fuck about their HUDL’s once you watch them play in college games.chuck said:It's hard for some to understand this, but some of us like projecting players' futures based on what we can see now. It's nice, but unnecessary, of some of you fucktards to remind us that they haven't actually done what we're predicting they will do. That's why it's called a prediction you fucking retards.
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I was there!1to392831weretaken said:
Came here to point out exactly this. Browning did not play in a fourth quarter his entire senior year, including the state championship game, a game in which he went 27-35 for 445 and 6 TDs against Oceanside. They won 68-7 and forced a running clock (35 point or greater margin) in a fucking championship game! In fact, that team forced running clock finishes in 16 straight games his senior season.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Browning threw for the most TDs ever in HS
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That Folsom team was next level, the coaching and organization was clearly superior to any high school team.
I'm not surprised that guy was picked up to run Utah's offense.
Also where I saw that 5star OL Jonah guy who ended up at Bama and a 1st rounder. I had no clue he was a national recruit and an amateur like me me noticed he was special (probably step 1 to being a true 5-star) -
Case in point: Asa TurnerRoadDawg55 said:
I only have a problem with it when the high school predictions turn into excuse making and playing favorites. You gotta stop giving a fuck about their HUDL’s once you watch them play in college games.chuck said:It's hard for some to understand this, but some of us like projecting players' futures based on what we can see now. It's nice, but unnecessary, of some of you fucktards to remind us that they haven't actually done what we're predicting they will do. That's why it's called a prediction you fucking retards.
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I remember the Asa recruitment because it was peak Jimmy worship for always beating Notre Dame for recruits on the back endNEsnake12 said:
Case in point: Asa TurnerRoadDawg55 said:
I only have a problem with it when the high school predictions turn into excuse making and playing favorites. You gotta stop giving a fuck about their HUDL’s once you watch them play in college games.chuck said:It's hard for some to understand this, but some of us like projecting players' futures based on what we can see now. It's nice, but unnecessary, of some of you fucktards to remind us that they haven't actually done what we're predicting they will do. That's why it's called a prediction you fucking retards.
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There’s is no way Jimmy Doesn’t start this guy as a true frosh. It’s basically his guy, like Jake was Pete’s guy.
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A lot of PTSD in the husky fan base but we’ve never landed a qb recruit like Sam.
Maybe he will bust but it certainly won’t have anything to do with Jake Browning. -
Just like Jake was Ty's guy.NeGgaPlEaSe said:There’s is no way Jimmy Doesn’t start this guy as a true frosh. It’s basically his guy, like Jake was Pete’s guy.
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Not sure about rankings back in the day but we used to land a lot of big fish like Uncle Brock. Billy Joe, Chris Chandler and the likeFremontTroll said:A lot of PTSD in the husky fan base but we’ve never landed a qb recruit like Sam.
Maybe he will bust but it certainly won’t have anything to do with Jake Browning.
Brock was central casting.
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Brock could have QB’d 1991 to a Natty.RaceBannon said:
Not sure about rankings back in the day but we used to land a lot of big fish like Uncle Brock. Billy Joe, Chris Chandler and the likeFremontTroll said:A lot of PTSD in the husky fan base but we’ve never landed a qb recruit like Sam.
Maybe he will bust but it certainly won’t have anything to do with Jake Browning.
Brock was central casting.
This century I agree with you -
Eason was a transfer, but he was the #1 QB in his class.
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There’s 4 general skills a QB can be judged on:
1) Arm talent
2) Ability to read defenses and make good decisions
3) Pocket mobility and not Browsocking under pressure
4) Ability to take off and run when the defense leaves a lane open
Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers are examples of what happens when you’re elite at all 4.
All we know about Sam Huard right now is that he’s elite at #1. High school defenses are bullshit, so it’s impossible to say anything about #2-4 except that he doesn’t have any red flags in those areas.
Sirmon had a red flag at #2. You could probably say that Eason was in the same boat as Huard coming out... but he ended up being questionable at #2, terrible at #3 and 4. Morris is average at #1/#2 but elite at #3.
TL;DR LIPO with Sam Huard cause we don’t know enough yet -
HeresyYellowSnow said:
Brock could have QB’d 1991 to a Natty.RaceBannon said:
Not sure about rankings back in the day but we used to land a lot of big fish like Uncle Brock. Billy Joe, Chris Chandler and the likeFremontTroll said:A lot of PTSD in the husky fan base but we’ve never landed a qb recruit like Sam.
Maybe he will bust but it certainly won’t have anything to do with Jake Browning.
Brock was central casting.
This century I agree with you
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True. But we’re in some doldrums here.RaceBannon said:
HeresyYellowSnow said:
Brock could have QB’d 1991 to a Natty.RaceBannon said:
Not sure about rankings back in the day but we used to land a lot of big fish like Uncle Brock. Billy Joe, Chris Chandler and the likeFremontTroll said:A lot of PTSD in the husky fan base but we’ve never landed a qb recruit like Sam.
Maybe he will bust but it certainly won’t have anything to do with Jake Browning.
Brock was central casting.
This century I agree with you
Only Billy beats Nebraska -
True, but once you’ve already started for a full mediocre season and then lost your job you can throw that ranking out the window.1to392831weretaken said:Eason was a transfer, but he was the #1 QB in his class.
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Pretty good post but you're either missing accuracy or you've rolled it into arm talent which I think is a separate category.NEsnake12 said:There’s 4 general skills a QB can be judged on:
1) Arm talent
2) Ability to read defenses and make good decisions
3) Pocket mobility and not Browsocking under pressure
4) Ability to take off and run when the defense leaves a lane open
Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers are examples of what happens when you’re elite at all 4.
All we know about Sam Huard right now is that he’s elite at #1. High school defenses are bullshit, so it’s impossible to say anything about #2-4 except that he doesn’t have any red flags in those areas.
Sirmon had a red flag at #2. You could probably say that Eason was in the same boat as Huard coming out... but he ended up being questionable at #2, terrible at #3 and 4. Morris is average at #1/#2 but elite at #3.
TL;DR LIPO with Sam Huard cause we don’t know enough yet
Sam has like A- arm talent (he can't make some of the throws Eason could) but A++ accuracy which is the massive differentiator between him and basically all the highly rated local QB's of the past 15 years. Nobody else was an A in both:
Locker A+ arm talent D+ accuracy
Heaps C arm talent A- accuracy
Eason A+ arm talent C accuracy
Max Brown fuck if I remember anything about that guy
Sam's accuracy gives him a higher floor than any of them and combined with his arm talent gives him a ceiling higher than any of them aside from maybe Lockner (Jack was absolutely elite at both 3 and 4 on your list and Sam is unlikely to be elite at either though probably pretty good at both).
The real question is what Sam can do in your category 2? Yet given his bloodlines, family resources and the fact he picked Kennedy over the other powers like EC specifically for the QB coaching, I would guess he's at least decent with a real shot at exceptional in that category as well.
If Sam busts it will be the biggest surprise of my 23ish years of TBS'ing. -
dnc said:
Pretty good post but you're either missing accuracy or you've rolled it into arm talent which I think is a separate category.NEsnake12 said:There’s 4 general skills a QB can be judged on:
1) Arm talent
2) Ability to read defenses and make good decisions
3) Pocket mobility and not Browsocking under pressure
4) Ability to take off and run when the defense leaves a lane open
Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers are examples of what happens when you’re elite at all 4.
All we know about Sam Huard right now is that he’s elite at #1. High school defenses are bullshit, so it’s impossible to say anything about #2-4 except that he doesn’t have any red flags in those areas.
Sirmon had a red flag at #2. You could probably say that Eason was in the same boat as Huard coming out... but he ended up being questionable at #2, terrible at #3 and 4. Morris is average at #1/#2 but elite at #3.
TL;DR LIPO with Sam Huard cause we don’t know enough yet
Sam has like A- arm talent (he can't make some of the throws Eason could) but A++ accuracy which is the massive differentiator between him and basically all the highly rated local QB's of the past 15 years. Nobody else was an A in both:
Locker A+ arm talent D+ accuracy
Heaps C arm talent A- accuracy
Eason A+ arm talent C accuracy
Max Brown fuck if I remember anything about that guy
Sam's accuracy gives him a higher floor than any of them and combined with his arm talent gives him a ceiling higher than any of them aside from maybe Lockner (Jack was absolutely elite at both 3 and 4 on your list and Sam is unlikely to be elite at either though probably pretty good at both).
The real question is what Sam can do in your category 2? Yet given his bloodlines, family resources and the fact he picked Kennedy over the other powers like EC specifically for the QB coaching, I would guess he's at least decent with a real shot at exceptional in that category as well.
If Sam busts it will be the biggest surprise of my 23ish years of TBS'ing.
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Not that I am one to defend Brownsocks, but he really had 2 different careers. Before the shoulder injury at Oregon and after. Before he was elite and after he was average. Affected his accuracy and time in pocket significantly.
As for Huard, I alway thought Jughead Brock and his ilk were overrated. Same opinion of Sam until proven otherwise. And I don’t give a damn about running at QB. No QB should run, except to draw a defender to open a receiver. -
Jake was never elite. He may have been above average before the injury (against Oregon State), but that requires the qualifiers of "as a sophomore". He most certainly wasn't elite as a freshman.StlouisDawg said:Not that I am one to defend Brownsocks, but he really had 2 different careers. Before the shoulder injury at Oregon and after. Before he was elite and after he was average. Affected his accuracy and time in pocket significantly.
As for Huard, I alway thought Jughead Brock and his ilk were overrated. Same opinion of Sam until proven otherwise. And I don’t give a damn about running at QB. No QB should run, except to draw a defender to open a receiver.
The problem with that is we're now talking 6 and a half games which is not only a really small sample but a sample in which he only played one close game (Arizona) and never threw more than 28 passes.
I don't think 6 1/2 games where he averaged 24 passes a game is enough to declare someone "elite". -
I guess I should have defined the difference here. To me arm talent is "what throws can you make" and accuracy is "how frequently can you make them".dnc said:
Pretty good post but you're either missing accuracy or you've rolled it into arm talent which I think is a separate category.NEsnake12 said:There’s 4 general skills a QB can be judged on:
1) Arm talent
2) Ability to read defenses and make good decisions
3) Pocket mobility and not Browsocking under pressure
4) Ability to take off and run when the defense leaves a lane open
Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers are examples of what happens when you’re elite at all 4.
All we know about Sam Huard right now is that he’s elite at #1. High school defenses are bullshit, so it’s impossible to say anything about #2-4 except that he doesn’t have any red flags in those areas.
Sirmon had a red flag at #2. You could probably say that Eason was in the same boat as Huard coming out... but he ended up being questionable at #2, terrible at #3 and 4. Morris is average at #1/#2 but elite at #3.
TL;DR LIPO with Sam Huard cause we don’t know enough yet
Sam has like A- arm talent (he can't make some of the throws Eason could) but A++ accuracy which is the massive differentiator between him and basically all the highly rated local QB's of the past 15 years. Nobody else was an A in both:
Locker A+ arm talent D+ accuracy
Heaps C arm talent A- accuracy
Eason A+ arm talent C accuracy
Max Brown fuck if I remember anything about that guy
Sam's accuracy gives him a higher floor than any of them and combined with his arm talent gives him a ceiling higher than any of them aside from maybe Lockner (Jack was absolutely elite at both 3 and 4 on your list and Sam is unlikely to be elite at either though probably pretty good at both).
The real question is what Sam can do in your category 2? Yet given his bloodlines, family resources and the fact he picked Kennedy over the other powers like EC specifically for the QB coaching, I would guess he's at least decent with a real shot at exceptional in that category as well.
If Sam busts it will be the biggest surprise of my 23ish years of TBS'ing.
