Grade the position groups... reasonable expectations for next year
OFFENSE: B+
QB: B Yeah he doesn’t have the strongest arm and he’s not the most athletic guy but he actually has some pocket presence and showed that he doesn’t wilt under pressure.
Rotation: Morris
RB: C+/B- I don’t like how many guys we have in the rotation but all of them are solid and have game experience. Pleasant and McGrew are gone after this year so start thinking about the future and get Davis, the player who you’ll need to lean on going forward and the player with the highest ceiling, the most touches out of that group.
Rotation: McGrew, Pleasant, Cam Davis
OL: A The deepest position group on the team. One thing I worry about is with guys like Kirkland and Wattenburg coming back that some of the younger players lose out on reps that they should be getting had Kirkland and Wattenburg left for the NFL. Fautanu and Murao are two of the more impressive recruits we’ve gotten in the past 15-20 years and they need to play. Huff is going to have some delicate roster management issues to deal with.
Rotation: Kirkland, Ale, Wattenburg, Bainavalu, Curne, Fautanu, Murao
WR/TE: B+ With Puka this position group moves up to an A. McMillan and Odunze are as advertised athletically but dropped too many passes last year. The Texas Tech transfer Polk had a productive freshman year and is the most physically imposing of all our receivers. Otton is a beast.
WR Rotation: Bynum, Polk, Odunze, McMillan
TE Rotation: Otton, Westover, Culp, Redman
DEFENSE: B+
DL: B My suspicion is that this group finishes the season higher than a B but there is a lot of unproven talent that will be playing for the first time this year. If Tuli can stay healthy I think he proves to be as good as Levi or Gaines at the nose tackle spot. Tuitele and Bandes were elite recruits with tons of potential. Taimani played decent last year but has a lot to prove.
Rotation: Tuli, Taimani, Bandes, Tuitele
ILB: B This position group should be higher but Bob can’t find someone to play opposite of Ulofoshio. Despite Sirmon being very average none of the big name recruits have been able to break through. There’s plenty of talent on the roster who should be able to fill that spot but Bob always seems to fuck up the roster management.
Rotation: Ulofoshio, Sirmon, Tuputala, Heimuli, Calvert
OLB: A This is the most talent we’ve had at this position in the last 15 years or so. If ZTF can become more than just a pass rusher then he’s a first or second team All American candidate. As good as ZTF is Latu was the guy who was getting all the hype last fall before his injury. Bowman is solid and Smalls and McDonald both played well last year as true freshman.
Rotation: ZTF, Latu, Bowman, Smalls, McDonald
Secondary: B This position group not being rated higher is a huge indictment on the coaching staff given how much talent is on the roster. McDuffie is a legit superstar but behind him are a bunch of guys who haven’t lived up to the hype.
Rotation: McDuffie, Kyler Gordon, Cam Williams, Asa Turner, Alex Cook, Dom Hampton, Jacobe Covington, Julius Irvin
Comments
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Excellent
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Should be fine
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Someone will need to step up
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Imo RB position will determine UWs success this year. We will have 7 scholarship RBs. Find one or two that can get the job done. If we run out that Mickey Mouse JV everyone gets a turn bullshit, we're not gonna be successful -
So you’re thinking 8-4 or 7-5?
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Don't rule out 2-2LawDawg1 said:So you’re thinking 8-4 or 7-5?
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The RBs will be great if the OL can run block. They were good in Pass blocking but kind of crap on the runs.
But then I am an idiot and usually drunk by the end of the game so am not really sure what I saw -
RB really needs two guys to get 90% of the carries. McGrew should probably be one of them. Develop the other guy.bananasnblondes said:Excellent
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Imo RB position will determine UWs success this year. We will have 7 scholarship RBs. Find one or two that can get the job done. If we run out that Mickey Mouse JV everyone gets a turn bullshit, we're not gonna be successful -
I don’t understand what is happening.
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What’s with Rosengarden?
No snaps in year 2? Wanted that meathead badly in Eugene when he was a croot.... -
I've heard he will start at LT. He was a 4* recruit with an amazing HUDL. Our returning left tackle was only a 3* and his HUDL wasn't as impressivethechatch said:What’s with Rosengarden?
No snaps in year 2? Wanted that meathead badly in Eugene when he was a croot.... -
He's a redshirt freshman this year with 3 guys(Kirkland, Fautanu and Kalepo) in front of him.thechatch said:What’s with Rosengarden?
No snaps in year 2? Wanted that meathead badly in Eugene when he was a croot.... -
Rosengarten is a stud but came in weighing like 275 or less. Teams with desperately thin OL rooms play guys like him in year two. He was never going to be a second year contributor.thechatch said:What’s with Rosengarden?
No snaps in year 2? Wanted that meathead badly in Eugene when he was a croot....
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Running backs don’t matter, yards created by an average back vs an elite one is minimal. It’s great to a have good one though. Our entire season hinges on the development of the IDL and John Donovan/QB situation.bananasnblondes said:Excellent
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Imo RB position will determine UWs success this year. We will have 7 scholarship RBs. Find one or two that can get the job done. If we run out that Mickey Mouse JV everyone gets a turn bullshit, we're not gonna be successful -
The qb situation is one of the least of my worries. It will either be an improved Morris or a 5* true freshman. Whoever it is between those two, they will struggle in this offense if we can't get a consistent running game going.backthepack said:
Running backs don’t matter, yards created by an average back vs an elite one is minimal. It’s great to a have good one though. Our entire season hinges on the development of the IDL and John Donovan/QB situation.bananasnblondes said:Excellent
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Should be fine
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Someone will need to step up
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Imo RB position will determine UWs success this year. We will have 7 scholarship RBs. Find one or two that can get the job done. If we run out that Mickey Mouse JV everyone gets a turn bullshit, we're not gonna be successful -
I think the RBs are a minimal concern. It would be nice to have someone who could create and make some plays when they shouldn't. I miss Polk-Sankey-Gaskin. The value of guys like that shouldn't be dismissed, but then again they shouldn't be necessary if the other positions, scheme, and play calling are good.backthepack said:
Running backs don’t matter, yards created by an average back vs an elite one is minimal. It’s great to a have good one though. Our entire season hinges on the development of the IDL and John Donovan/QB situation.bananasnblondes said:Excellent
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Should be fine
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Someone will need to step up
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Imo RB position will determine UWs success this year. We l have 7 scholarship RBs. Find one or two that can get the job done. If we run out that Mickey Mouse JV everyone gets a turn bullshit, we're not gonna be successful -
Make any argument you want, but what we? saw out of Morris last year was... underwhelming? average? complacent due to the offense? Either way a 60% completion rate and a 4:3 TD to INT ratio doesn't give me a ton of confidence. It screams average. So we must pray to the holiest of holies, the poontang pie in the sky, that the running backs find a hoss or two to carry the offense. And when those prayers are answered with soiled disappointment, we get... 7-5.
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He was pretty damn good considering he was. RS freshman operating a new offense. There were multiple, huge drops that directly hurt his stats but also took the ball out of his hands and limited opportunities to put up more stats.LB_33 said:Make any argument you want, but what we? saw out of Morris last year was... underwhelming? average? complacent due to the offense? Either way a 60% completion rate and a 4:3 TD to INT ratio doesn't give me a ton of confidence. It screams average. So we must pray to the holiest of holies, the poontang pie in the sky, that the running backs find a hoss or two to carry the offense. And when those prayers are answered with soiled disappointment, we get... 7-5.
Like others I'm not worried about QB. I like Morris and love Huard. If Huard beats him out then my expectations are extremely high for him. -
Morris lol.bananasnblondes said:
The qb situation is one of the least of my worries. It will either be an improved Morris or a 5* true freshman. Whoever it is between those two, they will struggle in this offense if we can't get a consistent running game going.backthepack said:
Running backs don’t matter, yards created by an average back vs an elite one is minimal. It’s great to a have good one though. Our entire season hinges on the development of the IDL and John Donovan/QB situation.bananasnblondes said:Excellent
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Should be fine
QB
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Someone will need to step up
DB
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Imo RB position will determine UWs success this year. We will have 7 scholarship RBs. Find one or two that can get the job done. If we run out that Mickey Mouse JV everyone gets a turn bullshit, we're not gonna be successful
OL play and OC scheme/play sequencing is a much better indicator of how successful you are in the run game. The OL is the least of my worries. John Don’s insist on running tight formations (i-form) and running the ball into stacked boxes has me extremely worried. -
How in the world could you watch Myles Gaskin play for UW for four years and still come to this conclusion?backthepack said:
Running backs don’t matter, yards created by an average back vs an elite one is minimal. It’s great to a have good one though. Our entire season hinges on the development of the IDL and John Donovan/QB situation.bananasnblondes said:Excellent
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Should be fine
QB
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Someone will need to step up
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Imo RB position will determine UWs success this year. We will have 7 scholarship RBs. Find one or two that can get the job done. If we run out that Mickey Mouse JV everyone gets a turn bullshit, we're not gonna be successful -
Fudgie likes WRs. Weº all got our thing I suppose.1to392831weretaken said:
How in the world could you watch Myles Gaskin play for UW for four years and still come to this conclusion?backthepack said:
Running backs don’t matter, yards created by an average back vs an elite one is minimal. It’s great to a have good one though. Our entire season hinges on the development of the IDL and John Donovan/QB situation.bananasnblondes said:Excellent
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Should be fine
QB
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Someone will need to step up
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Imo RB position will determine UWs success this year. We will have 7 scholarship RBs. Find one or two that can get the job done. If we run out that Mickey Mouse JV everyone gets a turn bullshit, we're not gonna be successful -
Well he is correct that you don't need anyone special at running back in a good offense. Timely calls and solid blocking can all but guarantee 5-6 ypc.1to392831weretaken said:
How in the world could you watch Myles Gaskin play for UW for four years and still come to this conclusion?backthepack said:
Running backs don’t matter, yards created by an average back vs an elite one is minimal. It’s great to a have good one though. Our entire season hinges on the development of the IDL and John Donovan/QB situation.bananasnblondes said:Excellent
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OLB
Should be fine
QB
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Someone will need to step up
DB
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Imo RB position will determine UWs success this year. We will have 7 scholarship RBs. Find one or two that can get the job done. If we run out that Mickey Mouse JV everyone gets a turn bullshit, we're not gonna be successful
What he is discounting is how often a great back can save your ass. If UW hadn't had guys as good as Sankey and Gaskin the running game would have taken. Big step back under both Sark and Pete. The blocking and play calling just weren't great on their own.
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RBs have low value in the NFL but high value in college.
The first reason is that you can ride a good #1 back hard in the college run game. A guy like Sankey posted multiple 25+ carry games whereas you won't see that in the pros. Reason: injuries, wear and tear.
A very good RB adds more value than a very good WR in college. Because the QB can't fuck up the opportunities for a very good RB but he can for a WR.
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Every group should be A and we butt slam the Pac 12.
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QB: C, Upside is good college QB (ironically, Trace McSorley type). No depth.
RB: B-, A lot of guys. But mainly just decent college backs. Great stable of horses, but no studs.
WR: C+, A handful of guys with potential who haven't done anything.
TE: A-, We provincials overrate Otten but there is a ton of depth and potential in the group.
OL: A, Good production, good depth, a lot of options and versatility.
DT: B-, Potential has to turn into production.
DE/OLB: A-, ZTF, Latu and Smalls could all be stars, others provide solid depth/rotation. Would be A to A+ if we had Latu healthy all last year and he performed as expected
ILB: C+, Eddie and depth. Other spot is a drag on the grade until somebody really steps up.
DB: B-, I love Trent, and the bodies and numbers are certainly there, but somebody has to actually do it before the grade goes up. Safety was a disappointment and there were even times where our CBs were underwhelming, lacked fire.
IF DMo makes a little improvement and the young WR take ownership and make plays, the offense could hum. As long as we aren't as stupid as we were last year trying to run into heavy boxes with JAGs.
IF the DT group does a better job of keeping the LBs clean and we get a little more passion from the back end about stopping the run, the defense could be great.
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Wait you mean it’s better to always recruit the best players? No way! They just add less value than every other position on offense via the nature of the position. It’s not the NFL where you have to worry about spending cap money.1to392831weretaken said:
How in the world could you watch Myles Gaskin play for UW for four years and still come to this conclusion?backthepack said:
Running backs don’t matter, yards created by an average back vs an elite one is minimal. It’s great to a have good one though. Our entire season hinges on the development of the IDL and John Donovan/QB situation.bananasnblondes said:Excellent
OL
TE
OLB
Should be fine
QB
WR
DL
ILB
Someone will need to step up
DB
RB
Imo RB position will determine UWs success this year. We will have 7 scholarship RBs. Find one or two that can get the job done. If we run out that Mickey Mouse JV everyone gets a turn bullshit, we're not gonna be successful
RB is not close the position that will make or break our season. It’s QB play and it’s not really even close. -
It's also not the NFL where everyone on defense is a robot, etc. Running back still matters in college BIGLY. Case in point: The consensus here is that Browning (your QB play you mention there) sucked (he didn't, but let's go with it). Yet, with Gaskin, that team won 10 games three seasons in a row. Gaskin was also the biggest reason for the biggest win the prior year, was pretty much the only thing that kept the Huskies in the Oregon game, and was the singular difference between a win and a loss in several other games through that stretch. He wasn't just exploiting huge holes his OL was making, he was often making something out of nothing or getting 10 yards and moving the chains when only 5 were really there.backthepack said:
Wait you mean it’s better to always recruit the best players? No way! They just add less value than every other position on offense via the nature of the position. It’s not the NFL where you have to worry about spending cap money.1to392831weretaken said:
How in the world could you watch Myles Gaskin play for UW for four years and still come to this conclusion?backthepack said:
Running backs don’t matter, yards created by an average back vs an elite one is minimal. It’s great to a have good one though. Our entire season hinges on the development of the IDL and John Donovan/QB situation.bananasnblondes said:Excellent
OL
TE
OLB
Should be fine
QB
WR
DL
ILB
Someone will need to step up
DB
RB
Imo RB position will determine UWs success this year. We will have 7 scholarship RBs. Find one or two that can get the job done. If we run out that Mickey Mouse JV everyone gets a turn bullshit, we're not gonna be successful
RB is not close the position that will make or break our season. It’s QB play and it’s not really even close.
You want to tell me that the Huskies can be fine without that kind of difference maker at a position that touches the ball on 50% of plays in this system because the #2 receiver or Center had an amazing Hudl, you haven't been watching.
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The OL is a C until they can actually physically dominate someone worth a fuck.
Beav and couglit dont count HTFH
