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lawsandl
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Are you bearish, bullish or neutral and why?
Seems like there is a lot of concern on the board for the unit.
Seems like there is a lot of concern on the board for the unit.
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Bearish
We haven’t recruited a true defensive tackle since Jordon Scott. -
Bullish.
My favorite unit on the team, rather easily. -
Scott was pretty ineffective his last two years and he brings less utility when you have 250 pound linebackers. Scott was great for ILBs like Dye, Apelu, Niu and even ISM. Avalos went away from the true nose tackle. I think DeRuyter is in the same mold - he wants long-levered DL.greenblood said:Bearish
We haven’t recruited a true defensive tackle since Jordon Scott.
I think if you're going to go out and get linebackers like Sewell, Flowe, LaDuke and Brown that can stack up the OL, you can afford quick twitch DL instead of a true nose tackle. Dorlus will probably end up close to 300 and 6'4" and he's probably the prototype 3 tech. Jaylen Smith is in that mold too. I think you see them paired with a long-levered player like Jayson Jones and Keanu Williams.
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I think we are better off than most people think. We have POPO, Freshmen Keanu Williams and massive 4 star Jayson Jones from Alabama, Austin Faoliu and Kyron-Ware Hudson. Could we improve? Of course. But I feel pretty good about this group.. I’m anxious to see how the youngsters perform.
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I'd agree on Scott, but disagree on DeRuyter. From the initial press conferences, it sounds like what he wants to do is more like Leavitt (D-Line occupies blockers to open space for the linebackers to wreak havoc), where what Avalotti wanted to do was more in line with Aliotti (using length on the D-Line to create disruption).lawsandl said:
Scott was pretty ineffective his last two years and he brings less utility when you have 250 pound linebackers. Scott was great for ILBs like Dye, Apelu, Niu and even ISM. Avalos went away from the true nose tackle. I think DeRuyter is in the same mold - he wants long-levered DL.greenblood said:Bearish
We haven’t recruited a true defensive tackle since Jordon Scott.
I think if you're going to go out and get linebackers like Sewell, Flowe, LaDuke and Brown that can stack up the OL, you can afford quick twitch DL instead of a true nose tackle. Dorlus will probably end up close to 300 and 6'4" and he's probably the prototype 3 tech. Jaylen Smith is in that mold too. I think you see them paired with a long-levered player like Jayson Jones and Keanu Williams.
Moving Thibodeaux out to a Von Miller role makes sense (think of how Leavitt used Justin Hollins, now with a bigger body type player). You'll probably see "breakout years" from Adrian Jackson and Steve Stephens simply because the position they were recruited to play is now back on the table. The flip side is some players are also not going to adjust well to the new scheme. My concern is that Avalotti spent two years stocking the shelves with his version of OKG on the D-line and now DeRuyter is going to come in and shift what OKG means again. The more telling feature (and take it with a grain of salt, because Cal wasn't offering the South) is that Keanu Williams and Shipley are the only two Oregon D-Linemen that Cal offered. -
I recall hearing him say he likes length and long-levered DL. We have linebackers that can dump linemen on their ass, so I am hoping he let's the. work downhill. Leavitt liked his ILBs deep.IPukeOregonGrellow said:
I'd agree on Scott, but disagree on DeRuyter. From the initial press conferences, it sounds like what he wants to do is more like Leavitt (D-Line occupies blockers to open space for the linebackers to wreak havoc), where what Avalotti wanted to do was more in line with Aliotti (using length on the D-Line to create disruption).lawsandl said:
Scott was pretty ineffective his last two years and he brings less utility when you have 250 pound linebackers. Scott was great for ILBs like Dye, Apelu, Niu and even ISM. Avalos went away from the true nose tackle. I think DeRuyter is in the same mold - he wants long-levered DL.greenblood said:Bearish
We haven’t recruited a true defensive tackle since Jordon Scott.
I think if you're going to go out and get linebackers like Sewell, Flowe, LaDuke and Brown that can stack up the OL, you can afford quick twitch DL instead of a true nose tackle. Dorlus will probably end up close to 300 and 6'4" and he's probably the prototype 3 tech. Jaylen Smith is in that mold too. I think you see them paired with a long-levered player like Jayson Jones and Keanu Williams.
Moving Thibodeaux out to a Von Miller role makes sense (think of how Leavitt used Justin Hollins, now with a bigger body type player). You'll probably see "breakout years" from Adrian Jackson and Steve Stephens simply because the position they were recruited to play is now back on the table. The flip side is some players are also not going to adjust well to the new scheme. My concern is that Avalotti spent two years stocking the shelves with his version of OKG on the D-line and now DeRuyter is going to come in and shift what OKG means again. The more telling feature (and take it with a grain of salt, because Cal wasn't offering the South) is that Keanu Williams and Shipley are the only two Oregon D-Linemen that Cal offered.
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Oregon State, UCLA, and Cal ran up your assholes. Sell, sell, sell.lawsandl said:Are you bearish, bullish or neutral and why?
Seems like there is a lot of concern on the board for the unit. -
LOL this just screams "We have no fucking clue what is happening on defense, but just TRUST it'll end up like 2019"IPukeOregonGrellow said:
I'd agree on Scott, but disagree on DeRuyter. From the initial press conferences, it sounds like what he wants to do is more like Leavitt (D-Line occupies blockers to open space for the linebackers to wreak havoc), where what Avalotti wanted to do was more in line with Aliotti (using length on the D-Line to create disruption).lawsandl said:
Scott was pretty ineffective his last two years and he brings less utility when you have 250 pound linebackers. Scott was great for ILBs like Dye, Apelu, Niu and even ISM. Avalos went away from the true nose tackle. I think DeRuyter is in the same mold - he wants long-levered DL.greenblood said:Bearish
We haven’t recruited a true defensive tackle since Jordon Scott.
I think if you're going to go out and get linebackers like Sewell, Flowe, LaDuke and Brown that can stack up the OL, you can afford quick twitch DL instead of a true nose tackle. Dorlus will probably end up close to 300 and 6'4" and he's probably the prototype 3 tech. Jaylen Smith is in that mold too. I think you see them paired with a long-levered player like Jayson Jones and Keanu Williams.
Moving Thibodeaux out to a Von Miller role makes sense (think of how Leavitt used Justin Hollins, now with a bigger body type player). You'll probably see "breakout years" from Adrian Jackson and Steve Stephens simply because the position they were recruited to play is now back on the table. The flip side is some players are also not going to adjust well to the new scheme. My concern is that Avalotti spent two years stocking the shelves with his version of OKG on the D-line and now DeRuyter is going to come in and shift what OKG means again. The more telling feature (and take it with a grain of salt, because Cal wasn't offering the South) is that Keanu Williams and Shipley are the only two Oregon D-Linemen that Cal offered. -
Has UDub hired a DC since Kwiat left for a lateral job at a real football program? Choate used Lake too, along with Ione, for better jobs.haie said:
LOL this just screams "We have no fucking clue what is happening on defense, but just TRUST it'll end up like 2019"IPukeOregonGrellow said:
I'd agree on Scott, but disagree on DeRuyter. From the initial press conferences, it sounds like what he wants to do is more like Leavitt (D-Line occupies blockers to open space for the linebackers to wreak havoc), where what Avalotti wanted to do was more in line with Aliotti (using length on the D-Line to create disruption).lawsandl said:
Scott was pretty ineffective his last two years and he brings less utility when you have 250 pound linebackers. Scott was great for ILBs like Dye, Apelu, Niu and even ISM. Avalos went away from the true nose tackle. I think DeRuyter is in the same mold - he wants long-levered DL.greenblood said:Bearish
We haven’t recruited a true defensive tackle since Jordon Scott.
I think if you're going to go out and get linebackers like Sewell, Flowe, LaDuke and Brown that can stack up the OL, you can afford quick twitch DL instead of a true nose tackle. Dorlus will probably end up close to 300 and 6'4" and he's probably the prototype 3 tech. Jaylen Smith is in that mold too. I think you see them paired with a long-levered player like Jayson Jones and Keanu Williams.
Moving Thibodeaux out to a Von Miller role makes sense (think of how Leavitt used Justin Hollins, now with a bigger body type player). You'll probably see "breakout years" from Adrian Jackson and Steve Stephens simply because the position they were recruited to play is now back on the table. The flip side is some players are also not going to adjust well to the new scheme. My concern is that Avalotti spent two years stocking the shelves with his version of OKG on the D-line and now DeRuyter is going to come in and shift what OKG means again. The more telling feature (and take it with a grain of salt, because Cal wasn't offering the South) is that Keanu Williams and Shipley are the only two Oregon D-Linemen that Cal offered.
7-5 will be a good season for MontLake Helfrich and his Top 40 recruiting classes by 2023.
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Agree. They will struggle to be Bowl eligible. Hell the North Division Champs actually have to play football games away from home this year.NorthwestFresh said:
Has UDub hired a DC since Kwiat left for a lateral job at a real football program? Choate used Lake too, along with Ione, for better jobs.haie said:
LOL this just screams "We have no fucking clue what is happening on defense, but just TRUST it'll end up like 2019"IPukeOregonGrellow said:
I'd agree on Scott, but disagree on DeRuyter. From the initial press conferences, it sounds like what he wants to do is more like Leavitt (D-Line occupies blockers to open space for the linebackers to wreak havoc), where what Avalotti wanted to do was more in line with Aliotti (using length on the D-Line to create disruption).lawsandl said:
Scott was pretty ineffective his last two years and he brings less utility when you have 250 pound linebackers. Scott was great for ILBs like Dye, Apelu, Niu and even ISM. Avalos went away from the true nose tackle. I think DeRuyter is in the same mold - he wants long-levered DL.greenblood said:Bearish
We haven’t recruited a true defensive tackle since Jordon Scott.
I think if you're going to go out and get linebackers like Sewell, Flowe, LaDuke and Brown that can stack up the OL, you can afford quick twitch DL instead of a true nose tackle. Dorlus will probably end up close to 300 and 6'4" and he's probably the prototype 3 tech. Jaylen Smith is in that mold too. I think you see them paired with a long-levered player like Jayson Jones and Keanu Williams.
Moving Thibodeaux out to a Von Miller role makes sense (think of how Leavitt used Justin Hollins, now with a bigger body type player). You'll probably see "breakout years" from Adrian Jackson and Steve Stephens simply because the position they were recruited to play is now back on the table. The flip side is some players are also not going to adjust well to the new scheme. My concern is that Avalotti spent two years stocking the shelves with his version of OKG on the D-line and now DeRuyter is going to come in and shift what OKG means again. The more telling feature (and take it with a grain of salt, because Cal wasn't offering the South) is that Keanu Williams and Shipley are the only two Oregon D-Linemen that Cal offered.
7-5 will be a good season for MontLake Helfrich and his Top 40 recruiting classes by 2023.
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Oregon is in good hands on both sides of the ball. We’ll see massive improvement on the OL.
On the DL, Dorlus will be the key. Any top end consistency from him and the PAC 12 can quit. -
Dorlus is a friggin stud.
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I don’t expect you to understand any of the following, it’s pretty advanced stuff for Vancouver residents.haie said:
Oregon State, UCLA, and Cal ran up your assholes. Sell, sell, sell.lawsandl said:Are you bearish, bullish or neutral and why?
Seems like there is a lot of concern on the board for the unit.
Oregon’s defense sucked. Yet they allowed fewer rushing yards per game and a lower yards per carry than Washington in Pac-12 play. They held 5/7 opponents under their season average in YPC.
Cal had 88 yards on 47 carries. 21 of those came on a broken play scramble by the QB.
UCLA ran it on everyone. Including 290 yards on that tuff Stanford team that Washington struggled with. -
There is a lot of concern because Big Joe Salave’a has done jack shit to recruit or coach that group. We were promised Hercules Ma’ta’fuckas and instead we get Fat Jordon Scott and the even worse slightly less fat but still fat Jordon Scott.
The only reason to be neutral is that both Scott and Austin Faoliu are gone. Although Faoliu remembered at the end of the season he wants to have coffee in the NFL and played well enough to score a combine invite to the virtual combine.
I’ve thought for two years that Popo is better than Scott. I don’t think I’m alone in that thought, Popo actually moves people. Depending on what front they use either Popo or Kristian Williams or both will be starting.
Brandon Dorlus and Kristian Williams are the bright spots. Thanks to Gemon Eaford for the contribution of his 600 spots lower ranked teammate, his biggest impact on Oregon football, because Dorlus is legit. Kristian Williams started the last two games instead of Scott and he’s looking like a major steal for late in that recruiting cycle.
2020 diamond in the rough, because that’s how Oregon recruits DL now: Jaylen Smith. He was with the OL because he’s decent at both and they needed him for Covid roster minimums to avoid having to forfeit games to your rivals. He actually played in almost every game. Explosive, and he’s the best athlete in the group. Listed at 292 lbs and they’re playing him as an edge like KT or Bradyn Swinson - but I bet he winds up with this interior group.
As for the other guys: Ware-Hudson is a rotation guy at both spots, and too early to say bust but I think I noticed him twice all season even on re-watch when trying to find him. Jayson Jones and Maceal Afaese are projects, and if the team didn’t suck as much ass and there was more garbage time they could have played. Jayson Jones can actually play just by using his arms to keep blockers away from his body but he would be better off for his sake as an OT, he’s got good feet. Jake Shipley is behind all of those. Sua’ava Poti supposedly gets worked. Hopefully Keanu Williams isn’t a bust, pretty wild that they only signed one big DL when this is all they have. -
Shipley played well on the scout team last year. The only bust on the roster is Poti. Also, Cristobal doesn’t know if McNeil ends up inside. He was already 250 pounds last year.
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Oregon allowed 169 yds rushing per game. Washington gave up 161 yds per game. Oregon played UCLA the #12 best rushing team in the nation and beat them. The Huskies did not play UCLA in their home only schedule.haie said:
Oregon State, UCLA, and Cal ran up your assholes. Sell, sell, sell.lawsandl said:Are you bearish, bullish or neutral and why?
Seems like there is a lot of concern on the board for the unit.
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While Oregon was playing UCLA #12 rushing team in the nation as their Southern division opponent.......
Washington was playing Arizona #71 rushing team in the nation as their southern division opponent. -
In conference play Oregon gave up 159 rushing per game. They also played the four worst rushing teams in the conference, let’s be fair.DJDuck said:
Oregon allowed 169 yds rushing per game. Washington gave up 161 yds per game. Oregon played UCLA the #12 best rushing team in the nation and beat them. The Huskies did not play UCLA in their home only schedule.haie said:
Oregon State, UCLA, and Cal ran up your assholes. Sell, sell, sell.lawsandl said:Are you bearish, bullish or neutral and why?
Seems like there is a lot of concern on the board for the unit.
The Fiesta Bowel drove that average up, although it was Iowa State’s third lowest YPC game. They also held those corn retards to their second worst passing game. In their worst Big-12 game they averaged 1.1 yards per play more, but none of that matters when you allow the other team to run 39 more plays. -
Of course he’s not a bust. Yet. That takes at least two years.lawsandl said:Shipley played well on the scout team last year. The only bust on the roster is Poti. Also, Cristobal doesn’t know if McNeil ends up inside. He was already 250 pounds last year.
McNeil’s brother was a 320 pound All-American DT for NC State this season who left early for the draft. He was also 270 pounds as a freshman, so yeah... Get McNeil down on the line if he has the fat gene. I liked seeing DJ Johnson at TE, and he can be great if he ever learns the second route, but he should have stayed fat and played DT like his brother, those are more rare than TEs.
After seeing how Dorlus, K Williams, Jamal Hill, DJ James, Swinson, Jaylen Smith, etc have fared I think it’s time Mario takes more kids from the SE and Mid-Atlantic states over soft West Coast kids who are rated a few hundred spots higher. -
Seems like there is a lot of concern on the board for the unit.
Pretty much from you and your ilk. I have very little concern. I think your time would be better spent trying to figure out why your football program is imploding.
Oregon State, UCLA, and Cal ran up your assholes. Sell, sell, sell.
Oregon allowed 169 yds rushing per game. Washington gave up 161 yds per game. Oregon played UCLA the #12 best rushing team in the nation and beat them. The Huskies did not play UCLA in their home only schedule.
In conference play Oregon gave up 159 rushing per game. They also played the four worst rushing teams in the conference, let’s be fair.
The Fiesta Bowel drove that average up, although it was Iowa State’s third lowest YPC game. They also held those corn retards to their second worst passing game. In their worst Big-12 game they averaged 1.1 yards per play more, but none of that matters when you allow the other team to run 39 more plays.
We didn’t play Washington which was one of the four worst rushing teams. 😂
But we did play UCLA from the South while you played the 71st best rushing team in the nation Arizona.
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Oregon allowed 169 yds rushing per game. Washington gave up 161 yds per game. Oregon played UCLA the #12 best rushing team in the nation and beat them. The Huskies did not play UCLA in their home only schedule.DJDuck said:Seems like there is a lot of concern on the board for the unit.
Pretty much from you and your ilk. I have very little concern. I think your time would be better spent trying to figure out why your football program is imploding.
Oregon State, UCLA, and Cal ran up your assholes. Sell, sell, sell.
In conference play Oregon gave up 159 rushing per game. They also played the four worst rushing teams in the conference, let’s be fair.
The Fiesta Bowel drove that average up, although it was Iowa State’s third lowest YPC game. They also held those corn retards to their second worst passing game. In their worst Big-12 game they averaged 1.1 yards per play more, but none of that matters when you allow the other team to run 39 more plays.
We didn’t play Washington which was one of the four worst rushing teams. 😂
But we did play UCLA from the South while you played the 71st best rushing team in the nation Arizona.
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I agree. The rotation players and busts so far are the west coast kids. I do think Shipley will be a decent player. A lot people gush about Keanu Williams, so I think we strike a balance. KWH and Poti were from pipeline schools. Afaese was about giving the islands some love. We absolutely need more though east of the Rockies.RatherBeBrewing said:
Of course he’s not a bust. Yet. That takes at least two years.lawsandl said:Shipley played well on the scout team last year. The only bust on the roster is Poti. Also, Cristobal doesn’t know if McNeil ends up inside. He was already 250 pounds last year.
McNeil’s brother was a 320 pound All-American DT for NC State this season who left early for the draft. He was also 270 pounds as a freshman, so yeah... Get McNeil down on the line if he has the fat gene. I liked seeing DJ Johnson at TE, and he can be great if he ever learns the second route, but he should have stayed fat and played DT like his brother, those are more rare than TEs.
After seeing how Dorlus, K Williams, Jamal Hill, DJ James, Swinson, Jaylen Smith, etc have fared I think it’s time Mario takes more kids from the SE and Mid-Atlantic states over soft West Coast kids who are rated a few hundred spots higher. -
This was posted on Scoopduck:
“ There are 71 four-star DL in the 2022 class per the 247 composite. Five of them are west of Texas:
Cyrus Moss
Anthony Lucas
Gracen Halton
Nathan Burrell
Zac Swanson
Covid might be partly responsible, but it's clear that recruiting nationally is critical given the lack of talented depth out West. Any P12 program without a national brand is gonna have tough time.”
Our reach into the Southeast and Carolinas will pay dividends. We just won’t get the full effect until we’re 5 cycles in. However, I have no doubt we’ll level up until then. -
I usually take it easy on you because you’re old and easily confused. Figure out the damn quote feature. If you mess it up you have 15 minutes to edit it. 5,300 posts should be plenty of practice to master it. That way we can tell who you are addressing your bad points to.DJDuck said:
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I may be old but you are such a dumbfuck you can’t even post or recognize the truth. Your youth and inexperience Only exacerbate the ignorance and lack of IQ you display.
I am in the 3rd SD above the mean so even as old as I am I don’t have problems with morons like you. I don’t fear much of anything least of all bigots like you and your ilk. -
Ilk.DJDuck said:I may be old but you are such a dumbfuck you can’t even post or recognize the truth. Your youth and inexperience Only exacerbate the ignorance and lack of IQ you display.
I am in the 3rd SD above the mean so even as old as I am I don’t have problems with morons like you. I don’t fear much of anything least of all bigots like you and your ilk.
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DJDuck said:
I may be old but you are such a dumbfuck you can’t even post or recognize the truth. Your youth and inexperience Only exacerbate the ignorance and lack of IQ you display.
I am in the 3rd SD above the mean so even as old as I am I don’t have problems with morons like you. I don’t fear much of anything least of all bigots like you and your ilk.
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Thank you for acknowledging the inconvenient truth but Rather be Brewing is the one that brought up the issue of my mental acuity. The fact you attack me instead shows that you are an ignorant bigot moron too.
