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Oregon and interior DL
lawsandl
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Are you bearish, bullish or neutral and why?
Seems like there is a lot of concern on the board for the unit.
Seems like there is a lot of concern on the board for the unit.
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Bearish
We haven’t recruited a true defensive tackle since Jordon Scott. -
Bullish.
My favorite unit on the team, rather easily. -
Scott was pretty ineffective his last two years and he brings less utility when you have 250 pound linebackers. Scott was great for ILBs like Dye, Apelu, Niu and even ISM. Avalos went away from the true nose tackle. I think DeRuyter is in the same mold - he wants long-levered DL.greenblood said:Bearish
We haven’t recruited a true defensive tackle since Jordon Scott.
I think if you're going to go out and get linebackers like Sewell, Flowe, LaDuke and Brown that can stack up the OL, you can afford quick twitch DL instead of a true nose tackle. Dorlus will probably end up close to 300 and 6'4" and he's probably the prototype 3 tech. Jaylen Smith is in that mold too. I think you see them paired with a long-levered player like Jayson Jones and Keanu Williams.
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I think we are better off than most people think. We have POPO, Freshmen Keanu Williams and massive 4 star Jayson Jones from Alabama, Austin Faoliu and Kyron-Ware Hudson. Could we improve? Of course. But I feel pretty good about this group.. I’m anxious to see how the youngsters perform.
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I'd agree on Scott, but disagree on DeRuyter. From the initial press conferences, it sounds like what he wants to do is more like Leavitt (D-Line occupies blockers to open space for the linebackers to wreak havoc), where what Avalotti wanted to do was more in line with Aliotti (using length on the D-Line to create disruption).lawsandl said:
Scott was pretty ineffective his last two years and he brings less utility when you have 250 pound linebackers. Scott was great for ILBs like Dye, Apelu, Niu and even ISM. Avalos went away from the true nose tackle. I think DeRuyter is in the same mold - he wants long-levered DL.greenblood said:Bearish
We haven’t recruited a true defensive tackle since Jordon Scott.
I think if you're going to go out and get linebackers like Sewell, Flowe, LaDuke and Brown that can stack up the OL, you can afford quick twitch DL instead of a true nose tackle. Dorlus will probably end up close to 300 and 6'4" and he's probably the prototype 3 tech. Jaylen Smith is in that mold too. I think you see them paired with a long-levered player like Jayson Jones and Keanu Williams.
Moving Thibodeaux out to a Von Miller role makes sense (think of how Leavitt used Justin Hollins, now with a bigger body type player). You'll probably see "breakout years" from Adrian Jackson and Steve Stephens simply because the position they were recruited to play is now back on the table. The flip side is some players are also not going to adjust well to the new scheme. My concern is that Avalotti spent two years stocking the shelves with his version of OKG on the D-line and now DeRuyter is going to come in and shift what OKG means again. The more telling feature (and take it with a grain of salt, because Cal wasn't offering the South) is that Keanu Williams and Shipley are the only two Oregon D-Linemen that Cal offered. -
I recall hearing him say he likes length and long-levered DL. We have linebackers that can dump linemen on their ass, so I am hoping he let's the. work downhill. Leavitt liked his ILBs deep.IPukeOregonGrellow said:
I'd agree on Scott, but disagree on DeRuyter. From the initial press conferences, it sounds like what he wants to do is more like Leavitt (D-Line occupies blockers to open space for the linebackers to wreak havoc), where what Avalotti wanted to do was more in line with Aliotti (using length on the D-Line to create disruption).lawsandl said:
Scott was pretty ineffective his last two years and he brings less utility when you have 250 pound linebackers. Scott was great for ILBs like Dye, Apelu, Niu and even ISM. Avalos went away from the true nose tackle. I think DeRuyter is in the same mold - he wants long-levered DL.greenblood said:Bearish
We haven’t recruited a true defensive tackle since Jordon Scott.
I think if you're going to go out and get linebackers like Sewell, Flowe, LaDuke and Brown that can stack up the OL, you can afford quick twitch DL instead of a true nose tackle. Dorlus will probably end up close to 300 and 6'4" and he's probably the prototype 3 tech. Jaylen Smith is in that mold too. I think you see them paired with a long-levered player like Jayson Jones and Keanu Williams.
Moving Thibodeaux out to a Von Miller role makes sense (think of how Leavitt used Justin Hollins, now with a bigger body type player). You'll probably see "breakout years" from Adrian Jackson and Steve Stephens simply because the position they were recruited to play is now back on the table. The flip side is some players are also not going to adjust well to the new scheme. My concern is that Avalotti spent two years stocking the shelves with his version of OKG on the D-line and now DeRuyter is going to come in and shift what OKG means again. The more telling feature (and take it with a grain of salt, because Cal wasn't offering the South) is that Keanu Williams and Shipley are the only two Oregon D-Linemen that Cal offered.
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Oregon State, UCLA, and Cal ran up your assholes. Sell, sell, sell.lawsandl said:Are you bearish, bullish or neutral and why?
Seems like there is a lot of concern on the board for the unit. -
LOL this just screams "We have no fucking clue what is happening on defense, but just TRUST it'll end up like 2019"IPukeOregonGrellow said:
I'd agree on Scott, but disagree on DeRuyter. From the initial press conferences, it sounds like what he wants to do is more like Leavitt (D-Line occupies blockers to open space for the linebackers to wreak havoc), where what Avalotti wanted to do was more in line with Aliotti (using length on the D-Line to create disruption).lawsandl said:
Scott was pretty ineffective his last two years and he brings less utility when you have 250 pound linebackers. Scott was great for ILBs like Dye, Apelu, Niu and even ISM. Avalos went away from the true nose tackle. I think DeRuyter is in the same mold - he wants long-levered DL.greenblood said:Bearish
We haven’t recruited a true defensive tackle since Jordon Scott.
I think if you're going to go out and get linebackers like Sewell, Flowe, LaDuke and Brown that can stack up the OL, you can afford quick twitch DL instead of a true nose tackle. Dorlus will probably end up close to 300 and 6'4" and he's probably the prototype 3 tech. Jaylen Smith is in that mold too. I think you see them paired with a long-levered player like Jayson Jones and Keanu Williams.
Moving Thibodeaux out to a Von Miller role makes sense (think of how Leavitt used Justin Hollins, now with a bigger body type player). You'll probably see "breakout years" from Adrian Jackson and Steve Stephens simply because the position they were recruited to play is now back on the table. The flip side is some players are also not going to adjust well to the new scheme. My concern is that Avalotti spent two years stocking the shelves with his version of OKG on the D-line and now DeRuyter is going to come in and shift what OKG means again. The more telling feature (and take it with a grain of salt, because Cal wasn't offering the South) is that Keanu Williams and Shipley are the only two Oregon D-Linemen that Cal offered. -
Has UDub hired a DC since Kwiat left for a lateral job at a real football program? Choate used Lake too, along with Ione, for better jobs.haie said:
LOL this just screams "We have no fucking clue what is happening on defense, but just TRUST it'll end up like 2019"IPukeOregonGrellow said:
I'd agree on Scott, but disagree on DeRuyter. From the initial press conferences, it sounds like what he wants to do is more like Leavitt (D-Line occupies blockers to open space for the linebackers to wreak havoc), where what Avalotti wanted to do was more in line with Aliotti (using length on the D-Line to create disruption).lawsandl said:
Scott was pretty ineffective his last two years and he brings less utility when you have 250 pound linebackers. Scott was great for ILBs like Dye, Apelu, Niu and even ISM. Avalos went away from the true nose tackle. I think DeRuyter is in the same mold - he wants long-levered DL.greenblood said:Bearish
We haven’t recruited a true defensive tackle since Jordon Scott.
I think if you're going to go out and get linebackers like Sewell, Flowe, LaDuke and Brown that can stack up the OL, you can afford quick twitch DL instead of a true nose tackle. Dorlus will probably end up close to 300 and 6'4" and he's probably the prototype 3 tech. Jaylen Smith is in that mold too. I think you see them paired with a long-levered player like Jayson Jones and Keanu Williams.
Moving Thibodeaux out to a Von Miller role makes sense (think of how Leavitt used Justin Hollins, now with a bigger body type player). You'll probably see "breakout years" from Adrian Jackson and Steve Stephens simply because the position they were recruited to play is now back on the table. The flip side is some players are also not going to adjust well to the new scheme. My concern is that Avalotti spent two years stocking the shelves with his version of OKG on the D-line and now DeRuyter is going to come in and shift what OKG means again. The more telling feature (and take it with a grain of salt, because Cal wasn't offering the South) is that Keanu Williams and Shipley are the only two Oregon D-Linemen that Cal offered.
7-5 will be a good season for MontLake Helfrich and his Top 40 recruiting classes by 2023.
