The Justin Wilcox legend continues...
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The guy is a proven college coordinator and has done a good job everywhere he's went. It's fine to say he's not that good or not a top flight DC. That's fine. But to try and say he's only good because we are comparing him to Holt or whatever is bullshit. We had medicare talent on defense when he arrived and he made huge improvements in only two years. We'll be fine without him though.
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Medicare talent?
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I also think Wilcox is good. I'm can't say if he has it in him or not, but I know he's never going to be great with Sark running the show. If he's as smart as people think he is then he won't stay on that staff for more than a year or two tops. Maybe if he was that smart he would have already bailed.
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Look at a depth chart from 2012. Every key guy on the front 7 is still on the team. Jamora didn't play that season either. Andrew Hudson and Talia Crichton were our DE's in the 3-4. The secondary was very good, but that wasn't an especially talented defense, and most of the players were freshmen and sophomores.doogsinparadise said:Medicare talent?
Having the right head coach is 95% of the battle in college football, but Wilcox is a good DC. I've provided facts and stats that show that many times. Of course, there are some that act like every coach associated with Sark sucks because they hate Sark so much. -
Wilcox is a great DC. With the offense being an absolute disaster in 2012, his defense was the reason we went bowling, being responsible for wins against SDSU (fumble return for TD was the difference), Stanford (held to 6 points), Oregon State (those 20 interceptions won us the game), and Cal (we almost lost to Cal that year if not for ASJ playing injured). If we still had Holt or some other average D-I DC, we would've been 3-9 overall and 2-7 in conference.
Still, we had issues against the better offenses in the league, which is a problem I expect to continue at USC. I wouldn't be surprised to see Wilcox take a HC position after this year or next, but probably before the heat gets turned up on Sark at USC. -
Wilcox is me-di-ocre.
Dude had two years and still couldnt get Timu to learn how to fucking form tackle. -
You must not have seen Timu play in 2011. His improvement from 2011 to 2012 was pretty astounding. He was almost Tripper Johnson bad in 2011.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Wilcox is me-di-ocre.
Dude had two years and still couldnt get Timu to learn how to fucking form tackle.
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He definitely improved, but still whiffed on an embarrassing amount of tacklesRoadDawg55 said:
You must not have seen Timu play in 2011. His improvement from 2011 to 2012 was pretty astounding. He was almost Tripper Johnson bad in 2011.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Wilcox is me-di-ocre.
Dude had two years and still couldnt get Timu to learn how to fucking form tackle. -
Where's Nuss?????
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Butler Cabin?LawDawg1 said:Where's Nuss?????
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I would say that has more to do with lacking talent than blaming the coach. Timu I should not of been a starting middle backer in the P12 his in 2011 and 2012PostGameOrangeSlices said:
He definitely improved, but still whiffed on an embarrassing amount of tacklesRoadDawg55 said:
You must not have seen Timu play in 2011. His improvement from 2011 to 2012 was pretty astounding. He was almost Tripper Johnson bad in 2011.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Wilcox is me-di-ocre.
Dude had two years and still couldnt get Timu to learn how to fucking form tackle.
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Timu got a fuckload better in 2012. He was about the worst I can remember in 2011 and I didn't see any hope for him. He was way better in 2012 than I expected.
College linebackers miss tackles. Fans of a given team remember and focus on the ones from their players and attribute the misses by the opposing ones to great moves by their ball carrier. -
Wilcox sucks.
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This is true. Wilcox in 2012 saved Sark's career. His offense was a total disaster in 2012 and if not for the defense Sark probably gets shit canned after going 4-8 or 5-7.whatshouldicareabout said:Wilcox is a great DC. With the offense being an absolute disaster in 2012, his defense was the reason we went bowling, being responsible for wins against SDSU (fumble return for TD was the difference), Stanford (held to 6 points), Oregon State (those 20 interceptions won us the game), and Cal (we almost lost to Cal that year if not for ASJ playing injured). If we still had Holt or some other average D-I DC, we would've been 3-9 overall and 2-7 in conference.
Still, we had issues against the better offenses in the league, which is a problem I expect to continue at USC. I wouldn't be surprised to see Wilcox take a HC position after this year or next, but probably before the heat gets turned up on Sark at USC. -
I doubt it saved his career though. Sark already had the Excuse Train going at full bore by that point.HeretoBeatmyChest said:
This is true. Wilcox in 2012 saved Sark's career. His offense was a total disaster in 2012 and if not for the defense Sark probably gets shit canned after going 4-8 or 5-7.whatshouldicareabout said:Wilcox is a great DC. With the offense being an absolute disaster in 2012, his defense was the reason we went bowling, being responsible for wins against SDSU (fumble return for TD was the difference), Stanford (held to 6 points), Oregon State (those 20 interceptions won us the game), and Cal (we almost lost to Cal that year if not for ASJ playing injured). If we still had Holt or some other average D-I DC, we would've been 3-9 overall and 2-7 in conference.
Still, we had issues against the better offenses in the league, which is a problem I expect to continue at USC. I wouldn't be surprised to see Wilcox take a HC position after this year or next, but probably before the heat gets turned up on Sark at USC. -
The incremental improvement from 7-6 in 2011 to 7-6 in 2012 didn't just save Sark's career. It defined Sark's career.HeretoBeatmyChest said:
This is true. Wilcox in 2012 saved Sark's career. His offense was a total disaster in 2012 and if not for the defense Sark probably gets shit canned after going 4-8 or 5-7.whatshouldicareabout said:Wilcox is a great DC. With the offense being an absolute disaster in 2012, his defense was the reason we went bowling, being responsible for wins against SDSU (fumble return for TD was the difference), Stanford (held to 6 points), Oregon State (those 20 interceptions won us the game), and Cal (we almost lost to Cal that year if not for ASJ playing injured). If we still had Holt or some other average D-I DC, we would've been 3-9 overall and 2-7 in conference.
Still, we had issues against the better offenses in the league, which is a problem I expect to continue at USC. I wouldn't be surprised to see Wilcox take a HC position after this year or next, but probably before the heat gets turned up on Sark at USC. -
Wilcox is a good coordinator. He had a bad game-plan against Oregon though (only rush 3 and let Mariota run around until he finds someone open while wearing out our D) and then made it worse by largely sticking to it.
But the secondary / ball skills significantly under him (even with losing Trufant and Glenn after 2012) and after the UCLA, the front 7 looked like it was coming into its own (partially due to a step down in competition the last few games).
If Kwiatkowski is a drop-off from Wilcox, we may not truly know until 2015 when Shelton, Jamora, E. Hudson, A. Hudson, Timu, and probably Thompson and Peters are gone. -
He is good. Not great. Not average. His defenses are fundamentally sound, but he gets plungered by elite offenses.
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Hard for a D to hold up against the upper echelon when the genius Armenian keeps going 3 and out.Gladstone said:He is good. Not great. Not average. His defenses are fundamentally sound, but he gets plungered by elite offenses.
He's not the best DC in the country, but i think he's pretty fucking good. I'm still shocked he hitched his wagon to the fat fuck. -
Sark is a ponzi scheme and Wilcox is clearly one of the beneficiaries.
Otherwise there would be no reason for him to stick with Sark. -
I have no prob with Wilcox other than bad judgement following Sark.
Although, he may be positioning himself for Brah's inevitable failure.
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$800,000 can cloud a D coordinator's judgement like a six pack of Amstel light can cloud Erin Andrews'.
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Guarantee Sark has never heard of light beer.Dardanus said:$800,000 can cloud a D coordinator's judgement like a six pack of Amstel light can cloud Erin Andrews'.
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So does Sark. And I suppose Erin (allegedly).CuntWaffle said: -
You guys are enamored with Wilcox. Perhaps his "greatness" is merely a reflection of Sark's mediocrity. He looked extra good because the head coach had his head up his own ass.
