The Justin Wilcox legend continues...

AtomicPiss

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HeretoBeatmyChest

The guy is a proven college coordinator and has done a good job everywhere he's went. It's fine to say he's not that good or not a top flight DC. That's fine. But to try and say he's only good because we are comparing him to Holt or whatever is bullshit. We had medicare talent on defense when he arrived and he made huge improvements in only two years. We'll be fine without him though.

doogsinparadise

Medicare talent?

chuck

I also think Wilcox is good. I'm can't say if he has it in him or not, but I know he's never going to be great with Sark running the show. If he's as smart as people think he is then he won't stay on that staff for more than a year or two tops. Maybe if he was that smart he would have already bailed.

RoadDawg55

doogsinparadise said:

Medicare talent?

Look at a depth chart from 2012. Every key guy on the front 7 is still on the team. Jamora didn't play that season either. Andrew Hudson and Talia Crichton were our DE's in the 3-4. The secondary was very good, but that wasn't an especially talented defense, and most of the players were freshmen and sophomores.

Having the right head coach is 95% of the battle in college football, but Wilcox is a good DC. I've provided facts and stats that show that many times. Of course, there are some that act like every coach associated with Sark sucks because they hate Sark so much.

whatshouldicareabout

Wilcox is a great DC. With the offense being an absolute disaster in 2012, his defense was the reason we went bowling, being responsible for wins against SDSU (fumble return for TD was the difference), Stanford (held to 6 points), Oregon State (those 20 interceptions won us the game), and Cal (we almost lost to Cal that year if not for ASJ playing injured). If we still had Holt or some other average D-I DC, we would've been 3-9 overall and 2-7 in conference.

Still, we had issues against the better offenses in the league, which is a problem I expect to continue at USC. I wouldn't be surprised to see Wilcox take a HC position after this year or next, but probably before the heat gets turned up on Sark at USC.

PostGameOrangeSlices

Wilcox is me-di-ocre.

Dude had two years and still couldnt get Timu to learn how to fucking form tackle.

RoadDawg55

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

Wilcox is me-di-ocre.

Dude had two years and still couldnt get Timu to learn how to fucking form tackle.

You must not have seen Timu play in 2011. His improvement from 2011 to 2012 was pretty astounding. He was almost Tripper Johnson bad in 2011.

PostGameOrangeSlices

RoadDawg55 said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

Wilcox is me-di-ocre.

Dude had two years and still couldnt get Timu to learn how to fucking form tackle.

You must not have seen Timu play in 2011. His improvement from 2011 to 2012 was pretty astounding. He was almost Tripper Johnson bad in 2011.

He definitely improved, but still whiffed on an embarrassing amount of tackles

LawDawg1

Where's Nuss?????

dnc

LawDawg1 said:

Where's Nuss?????

Butler Cabin?

79smoothdawg

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

RoadDawg55 said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

Wilcox is me-di-ocre.

Dude had two years and still couldnt get Timu to learn how to fucking form tackle.

You must not have seen Timu play in 2011. His improvement from 2011 to 2012 was pretty astounding. He was almost Tripper Johnson bad in 2011.

He definitely improved, but still whiffed on an embarrassing amount of tackles

I would say that has more to do with lacking talent than blaming the coach. Timu I should not of been a starting middle backer in the P12 his in 2011 and 2012

chuck

Timu got a fuckload better in 2012. He was about the worst I can remember in 2011 and I didn't see any hope for him. He was way better in 2012 than I expected.

College linebackers miss tackles. Fans of a given team remember and focus on the ones from their players and attribute the misses by the opposing ones to great moves by their ball carrier.

ThomasFremont

Wilcox sucks.

HTH

topdawgnc

HeretoBeatmyChest

whatshouldicareabout said:

Wilcox is a great DC. With the offense being an absolute disaster in 2012, his defense was the reason we went bowling, being responsible for wins against SDSU (fumble return for TD was the difference), Stanford (held to 6 points), Oregon State (those 20 interceptions won us the game), and Cal (we almost lost to Cal that year if not for ASJ playing injured). If we still had Holt or some other average D-I DC, we would've been 3-9 overall and 2-7 in conference.

Still, we had issues against the better offenses in the league, which is a problem I expect to continue at USC. I wouldn't be surprised to see Wilcox take a HC position after this year or next, but probably before the heat gets turned up on Sark at USC.

This is true. Wilcox in 2012 saved Sark's career. His offense was a total disaster in 2012 and if not for the defense Sark probably gets shit canned after going 4-8 or 5-7.

AtomicPiss

HeretoBeatmyChest said:

whatshouldicareabout said:

Wilcox is a great DC. With the offense being an absolute disaster in 2012, his defense was the reason we went bowling, being responsible for wins against SDSU (fumble return for TD was the difference), Stanford (held to 6 points), Oregon State (those 20 interceptions won us the game), and Cal (we almost lost to Cal that year if not for ASJ playing injured). If we still had Holt or some other average D-I DC, we would've been 3-9 overall and 2-7 in conference.

Still, we had issues against the better offenses in the league, which is a problem I expect to continue at USC. I wouldn't be surprised to see Wilcox take a HC position after this year or next, but probably before the heat gets turned up on Sark at USC.

This is true. Wilcox in 2012 saved Sark's career. His offense was a total disaster in 2012 and if not for the defense Sark probably gets shit canned after going 4-8 or 5-7.

I doubt it saved his career though. Sark already had the Excuse Train going at full bore by that point.

TierbsHsotBoobs

HeretoBeatmyChest said:

whatshouldicareabout said:

Wilcox is a great DC. With the offense being an absolute disaster in 2012, his defense was the reason we went bowling, being responsible for wins against SDSU (fumble return for TD was the difference), Stanford (held to 6 points), Oregon State (those 20 interceptions won us the game), and Cal (we almost lost to Cal that year if not for ASJ playing injured). If we still had Holt or some other average D-I DC, we would've been 3-9 overall and 2-7 in conference.

Still, we had issues against the better offenses in the league, which is a problem I expect to continue at USC. I wouldn't be surprised to see Wilcox take a HC position after this year or next, but probably before the heat gets turned up on Sark at USC.

This is true. Wilcox in 2012 saved Sark's career. His offense was a total disaster in 2012 and if not for the defense Sark probably gets shit canned after going 4-8 or 5-7.

The incremental improvement from 7-6 in 2011 to 7-6 in 2012 didn't just save Sark's career. It defined Sark's career.

HFNY

Wilcox is a good coordinator. He had a bad game-plan against Oregon though (only rush 3 and let Mariota run around until he finds someone open while wearing out our D) and then made it worse by largely sticking to it.

But the secondary / ball skills significantly under him (even with losing Trufant and Glenn after 2012) and after the UCLA, the front 7 looked like it was coming into its own (partially due to a step down in competition the last few games).

If Kwiatkowski is a drop-off from Wilcox, we may not truly know until 2015 when Shelton, Jamora, E. Hudson, A. Hudson, Timu, and probably Thompson and Peters are gone.

Gladstone

He is good. Not great. Not average. His defenses are fundamentally sound, but he gets plungered by elite offenses.

MisterEm

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