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I thought this thread would grow into a discussion about ASU coeds and how some of them are now prostitutes in the Seattle-Tacoma area.
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We do what we can. For now, I continue to vote against stupid fucks like Bush, and vote for people that at least initially, appear to be against more imperialism.MikeDamone said:You don't actually intend to do anything about it other than keep reaping the benefits of what apparently disgusts you.
If you don't understand that we are imperialists, then you are dumber than your schtick lets on.
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Are you against wars, elderly abuse and animal cruelty too? #profilesincourageOZONE said:
We do what we can. For now, I continue to vote against stupid fucks like Bush, and vote for people that at least initially, appear to be against more imperialism.MikeDamone said:You don't actually intend to do anything about it other than keep reaping the benefits of what apparently disgusts you.
If you don't understand that we are imperialists, then you are dumber than your schtick lets on.
But you won't give your land to the Indians? I guess you don't feel that stongly about it. Fucking blowhard.
You're argument seems to be we don't have the right to accumulate wealth because you believe the land of North America was owned by Indians. Is that correct? -
How slow are you?MikeDamone said:
Are you against wars, elderly abuse and animal cruelty too? #profilesincourageOZONE said:
We do what we can. For now, I continue to vote against stupid fucks like Bush, and vote for people that at least initially, appear to be against more imperialism.MikeDamone said:You don't actually intend to do anything about it other than keep reaping the benefits of what apparently disgusts you.
If you don't understand that we are imperialists, then you are dumber than your schtick lets on.
But you won't give your land to the Indians? I guess you don't feel that stongly about it. Fucking blowhard.
You're argument seems to be we don't have the right to accumulate wealth because you believe the land of North America was owned by Indians. Is that correct?
My argument is that the US was not founded on capitalism, it was founded on imperialism. Simple as that. In addition, the majority of the Fortune 500 is made up of oligopolies that only exist due to state intervention.
I never said we can't accumulate wealth. I have.
I was responding to another poster's cry that he was frustrated with the war on capitalism... by pointing out that we don't really have capitalism, and we never did.
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Who the fuck ever said it was "founded" on capitalism? And what does "Foudned on" even mean? Some trite cliche. Like saying the US was founded on Christian principles..whatever. It wasn't "founded " on any specific single thing. Other than maybe to be left alone as much as possible from government and allow people to do their own thing and the basic right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.OZONE said:
How slow are you?MikeDamone said:
Are you against wars, elderly abuse and animal cruelty too? #profilesincourageOZONE said:
We do what we can. For now, I continue to vote against stupid fucks like Bush, and vote for people that at least initially, appear to be against more imperialism.MikeDamone said:You don't actually intend to do anything about it other than keep reaping the benefits of what apparently disgusts you.
If you don't understand that we are imperialists, then you are dumber than your schtick lets on.
But you won't give your land to the Indians? I guess you don't feel that stongly about it. Fucking blowhard.
You're argument seems to be we don't have the right to accumulate wealth because you believe the land of North America was owned by Indians. Is that correct?
My argument is that the US was not founded on capitalism, it was founded on imperialism. Simple as that. In addition, the majority of the Fortune 500 is made up of oligopolies that only exist due to state intervention.
I never said we can't accumulate wealth. I have.
I was responding to another poster's cry that he was frustrated with the war on capitalism... by pointing out that we don't really have capitalism.
I agree we don't have capitalism, we have corporatism, crony capitalism, special favors and other bastardizations of capitalism brought to us by the U.S. Government. Yes, an oligarchy with the thieves in Washington at the head of the table. The closest thing we have every had to capitalism was between 1860 and 1890. And the goverment was fucking that up back then too.
The "war on capitalism" isn't irrelevant as an idea just because we don't have true capitalism. For example, the occupy losers aren't railing against corporatism and advocating a better form of capitalism. No, they protest what they understand to be capitalism and advocate more government and socialist wealth redistribution programs. The answer isn't socialism, it's more capitalism, without the government in the middle, picking winners and losers, bailing out failed companies and shielding them from the consequences of their poor decisions, and even forcing companies to make poor decisions.
The goal is to raise the standard of living of the most people to the highest level possible. The best way to do that is entrepreneurial capitalism.
I also agree the U.S. has been imperialist. But again, that does not invalidate what I have stated.
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If the occupy folks are using the wrong term for what they protest, why does it matter? They aren't protesting what you and I understand to be capitalism... they are protesting what we have in the US... which is a crazy mix of things whose names we see eye to eye on (cronyism, oligopolies, etc). But the point is... I don't think that the poster I was responding to understands that what we have in the US today isn't real capitalism... and he is the one I was correcting.MikeDamone said:
The "war on capitalism" isn't irrelevant as an idea just because we don't have true capitalism. For example, the occupy losers aren't railing against corporatism and advocating a better form of capitalism. No, they protest what they understand to be capitalism and advocate more government and socialist wealth redistribution programs.
As to real capitalism vs real socialism... I think the true solution is something else that we as a people haven't created yet. But I'm too busy working 60 hours a week and paying off my seaplane to worry about it right now. -
It matters because they are protesting "capitalism" and not focusing on the real solution. The left leaning news media outlets and left wing politicians think capitalism is the problem, when the opposite is true. That is the war on capitalism. I don't know what the other poster meant or thought by the term, but yes, there is a war on capilatism.OZONE said:
If the occupy folks are using the wrong term for what they protest, why does it matter? They aren't protesting what you and I understand to be capitalism... they are protesting what we have in the US... which is a crazy mix of things whose names we see eye to eye on (cronyism, oligopolies, etc). But the point is... I don't think that the poster I was responding to understands that what we have in the US today isn't real capitalism... and he is the one I was correcting.MikeDamone said:
The "war on capitalism" isn't irrelevant as an idea just because we don't have true capitalism. For example, the occupy losers aren't railing against corporatism and advocating a better form of capitalism. No, they protest what they understand to be capitalism and advocate more government and socialist wealth redistribution programs.
As to real capitalism vs real socialism... I think the true solution is something else that we as a people haven't created yet. But I'm too busy working 60 hours a week and paying off my seaplane to worry about it right now.
Something we haven't thought of yet? Christ.
And I'm glad you have the choice to work hard to buy what you want. It would be easier if a significant percentage wasn't stolen from you by force by people who think they know how to spend your money better than you can.
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sarktastic said:
nah, they just stole the internet market away from legit competition and became a shitty monopoly
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You mean like what our imperialistic founding fathers did to the people already living here when they got here?MikeDamone said:
And I'm glad you have the choice to work hard to buy what you want. It would be easier if a significant percentage wasn't stolen from you by force by people who think they know how to spend your money better than you can.
The "left" is protesting our current system... they only call it "capitalism" because most of the right chooses to call it that to hide the fact that it is actually a warped diseased version of capitalism that is mainly oligopoly and cronyism (etc).
In the end, what everybody wants, and deserves, is the right to be rewarded for hard work. Failure to achieve that can happen in socialism... and in every brand of capitalism that any nation on this earth has tried.
The idea that the real answer is something else... makes pretty good sense to a lot of smart people. Some of us even have degrees in Economics... and are paid by fortune 500 companies to manage their pricing theory think tanks.
