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  • OZONE
    OZONE Member Posts: 2,510
    edited June 2014
    topdawgnc said:


    The war on capitalism makes me fucking sick to my stomach.

    Here is a hint.... the US was not founded as a capitalist nation, and it has never been truly capitalist.

    Take away the government handouts that created the monopolies in railroads, mining, forestry, shipping, telecom, healthcare... and most of the oligopolies that make up the fortune 500... and we'd have a very different economy today. We might even have one that more people respected.

  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680
    OZONE said:

    topdawgnc said:


    The war on capitalism makes me fucking sick to my stomach.

    Here is a hint.... the US was not founded as a capitalist nation, and it has never been truly capitalist.

    Take away the government handouts that created the monopolies in railroads, mining, forestry, shipping, telecom, healthcare... and most of the oligopolies that make up the fortune 500... and we'd have a very different economy today. We might even have one that more people respected.

    People respect Indonesia's economy?
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited June 2014
    OZONE said:

    topdawgnc said:


    The war on capitalism makes me fucking sick to my stomach.

    Here is a hint.... the US was not founded as a capitalist nation, and it has never been truly capitalist.

    Take away the government handouts that created the monopolies in railroads, mining, forestry, shipping, telecom, healthcare... and most of the oligopolies that make up the fortune 500... and we'd have a very different economy today. We might even have one that more people respected.

    In a sense it was "founded" on capitalism. Private ownership of property and the means of production.

    It was founded on a fundamental right to accumulate and own property (wealth). And yes, no monopoly has ever existed without significant government help. The closest we have had to capitalism was in the 1870s and 80s were real wages grew over 60%. Even then the government was fucking it up.
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    OZONE said:

    topdawgnc said:


    The war on capitalism makes me fucking sick to my stomach.

    Here is a hint.... the US was not founded as a capitalist nation, and it has never been truly capitalist.

    Take away the government handouts that created the monopolies in railroads, mining, forestry, shipping, telecom, healthcare... and most of the oligopolies that make up the fortune 500... and we'd have a very different economy today. We might even have one that more people respected.

    In a sense it was "founded" on capitalism. Private ownership of property and the means of production.

    It was founded on a fundamental right to accumulate and own property (wealth). And yes, no monopoly has ever existed without significant government help. The closest we have had to capitalism was in the 1870s and 80s were real wages grew over 60%. Even then the government was fucking it up.
    Paying slaves is the WORST.
    I know, right? Plus others were super wealthy and the wasn't fair.
  • OZONE
    OZONE Member Posts: 2,510

    OZONE said:

    topdawgnc said:


    The war on capitalism makes me fucking sick to my stomach.

    Here is a hint.... the US was not founded as a capitalist nation, and it has never been truly capitalist.

    Take away the government handouts that created the monopolies in railroads, mining, forestry, shipping, telecom, healthcare... and most of the oligopolies that make up the fortune 500... and we'd have a very different economy today. We might even have one that more people respected.

    In a sense it was "founded" on capitalism. Private ownership of property and the means of production.

    Stealing land by force from one group of people, so that another group of people could "privately" own it... doesn't count.
  • oregonblitzkrieg
    oregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288
    edited June 2014
    Monopolies need to be destroyed whenever and wherever they sprout up. They are authoritarian, oppressive and just all around bad in nature, and shouldn't be allowed to exist in a true democracy. BTW we don't have a true democracy at all. But that's a whole different topic. Also we aren't allowed to truly own our land. We pay the government 'rent' for the right to 'own' our own property. It's called property taxes. And we have to wait for the fucking government to approve what we want to do with and to our property. Better not take a piss in that new bathroom addition you added to your own house without paying the extortion...I mean permit, fee.