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  • Joey
    Joey Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,254 Founders Club
    edited January 2021
    Patton


    Honorable mention for the guy that can save you money and time
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,220 Founders Club
    Grant
    JoeEDangerously said:



    Honorable mention for the guy that can save you money and time

    This guy has the incorrect 5 star rank on his helmet.
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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,304 Founders Club
    Worshington
    Mad_Son said:

    YellowSnow said:

    JoeEDangerously said:



    Honorable mention for the guy that can save you money and time

    This guy has the incorrect 5 star rank on his helmet.
    Interesting observation. I'm beginning to suspect he may not be a real general.
    I assumed he was a member of The Village People
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,220 Founders Club
    edited January 2021
    Grant
    RaceBannon said:

    By WW2 the American military was like Secretariat, a tremendous machine. Generals were CEOs and @Logistics was on a global scale. There were thousands of staff doing the grunt work

    Washington and Grant et al were more of a one man show

    To add to @RaceBannon 's point...

    Ike clearly got the job done, but it you had subbed in another figure I don't know that the outcome looks much different. We still beat the Nazis.

    I don't think you can say that about Washington or Grant. W/o either of those guysm being the man of the hour, I don't know that we? win.

    I still rank Grant ahead of Washington, because George fucked up in the summer of 1776 and damn near lost the war. Furthermore, his greatest victory at Yorktown was the ultimate case of it being better to be lucky than good. It was miracle that the French navy didn't fuck up and got to the Chesapeake before the Royal Navy. I mean how often did the French beat the British at sea?
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,220 Founders Club
    edited January 2021
    Grant
    CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:

    YellowSnow said:

    RaceBannon said:

    By WW2 the American military was like Secretariat, a tremendous machine. Generals were CEOs and @Logistics was on a global scale. There were thousands of staff doing the grunt work

    Washington and Grant et al were more of a one man show

    To add to @RaceBannon 's point...

    Ike clearly got the job done, but it you had subbed in another figure I don't know that the outcome looks much different. We still beat the Nazis.

    I don't think you can say that about Washington or Grant. W/o either of those guysm being the man of the hour, I don't know that we? win.

    I still rank Grant ahead of Washington, because George fucked up in the summer of 1776 and damn near lost the war. Furthermore, his greatest victory at Yorktown was the ultimate case of it being better to be lucky than good. It was miracle that the French navy didn't fuck up and got to the Chesapeake before the Royal Navy. I mean how often did the French beat the British at sea?
    I definitely have some decency bias for Ike.
    Recency or decency bias? Ike was a very decent man, of course.
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  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club
    Stonewall Jackson
    YellowSnow said:

    CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:

    YellowSnow said:

    RaceBannon said:

    By WW2 the American military was like Secretariat, a tremendous machine. Generals were CEOs and @Logistics was on a global scale. There were thousands of staff doing the grunt work

    Washington and Grant et al were more of a one man show

    To add to @RaceBannon 's point...

    Ike clearly got the job done, but it you had subbed in another figure I don't know that the outcome looks much different. We still beat the Nazis.

    I don't think you can say that about Washington or Grant. W/o either of those guysm being the man of the hour, I don't know that we? win.

    I still rank Grant ahead of Washington, because George fucked up in the summer of 1776 and damn near lost the war. Furthermore, his greatest victory at Yorktown was the ultimate case of it being better to be lucky than good. It was miracle that the French navy didn't fuck up and got to the Chesapeake before the Royal Navy. I mean how often did the French beat the British at sea?
    I definitely have some decency bias for Ike.
    Recency or decency bias? Ike was a very decent man, of course.
    Kay Summersby agrees.
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  • Cougzz
    Cougzz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 306 Swaye's Wigwam
    1. George Marshall; Genius who supervised Eisenhower and generated the Marshall Plan.
    2. George Washington; Turned down the job of “King”. Also unequivocally won his war.
    3. Winfield Scott; Planned and led the first large scale amphibious landing and ground assault on foreign soil. He set the stage for D Day and WWII Pacific island hopping campaigns.
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  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    Worshington
    YellowSnow said:

    FireCohen said:

    Not even fucking close. Not giving into temptation of power makes him a great man. He set a crazy precedent that other leaders after him had to follow.

    True but it's hard to say whether this fits under Washington the general of the Continental Army or Washington the politician and father of a nation. I rank Washington, Grant and Ike in this exercise based only on their wartime resume.
    DerekJohnson said:

    Quite honestly Mitch, I didn't think George Washington would ever lead in this poll, yet here he is. I just love him for when the corrupt guys in the Continental Congress wanted him to be king... Washington reportedly kneeled before them to hand over his sword and insisted that we be a republic and not a monarchy. Even if that story might be gussied up with some BS, I just love that humility. It's awesome.

    I eat that shit up too. Dude is a fucking legend in terms of history of humanity. History is littered with fucking men that got corrupted by power
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  • huskyhooligan
    huskyhooligan Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,923 Swaye's Wigwam
    Sherman
    William TeCUMseh Sherman

    Choice was easy.
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  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    Worshington
    YellowSnow said:

    FireCohen said:

    YellowSnow said:

    FireCohen said:

    Not even fucking close. Not giving into temptation of power makes him a great man. He set a crazy precedent that other leaders after him had to follow.

    True but it's hard to say whether this fits under Washington the general of the Continental Army or Washington the politician and father of a nation. I rank Washington, Grant and Ike in this exercise based only on their wartime resume.
    DerekJohnson said:

    Quite honestly Mitch, I didn't think George Washington would ever lead in this poll, yet here he is. I just love him for when the corrupt guys in the Continental Congress wanted him to be king... Washington reportedly kneeled before them to hand over his sword and insisted that we be a republic and not a monarchy. Even if that story might be gussied up with some BS, I just love that humility. It's awesome.

    I eat that shit up too. Dude is a fucking legend in terms of history of humanity. History is littered with fucking men that got corrupted by power
    @FireCohen not spitting hot aids. I’m positively shocked.
    Thanks?
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  • FireFireCohen
    FireFireCohen Member Posts: 74
    YellowSnow said:

    FireCohen said:

    YellowSnow said:

    FireCohen said:

    Not even fucking close. Not giving into temptation of power makes him a great man. He set a crazy precedent that other leaders after him had to follow.

    True but it's hard to say whether this fits under Washington the general of the Continental Army or Washington the politician and father of a nation. I rank Washington, Grant and Ike in this exercise based only on their wartime resume.
    DerekJohnson said:

    Quite honestly Mitch, I didn't think George Washington would ever lead in this poll, yet here he is. I just love him for when the corrupt guys in the Continental Congress wanted him to be king... Washington reportedly kneeled before them to hand over his sword and insisted that we be a republic and not a monarchy. Even if that story might be gussied up with some BS, I just love that humility. It's awesome.

    I eat that shit up too. Dude is a fucking legend in terms of history of humanity. History is littered with fucking men that got corrupted by power
    @FireCohen not spitting hot aids. I’m positively shocked.
    Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    Worshington
    FireFireCohen said:

    YellowSnow said:

    FireCohen said:

    YellowSnow said:

    FireCohen said:

    Not even fucking close. Not giving into temptation of power makes him a great man. He set a crazy precedent that other leaders after him had to follow.

    True but it's hard to say whether this fits under Washington the general of the Continental Army or Washington the politician and father of a nation. I rank Washington, Grant and Ike in this exercise based only on their wartime resume.
    DerekJohnson said:

    Quite honestly Mitch, I didn't think George Washington would ever lead in this poll, yet here he is. I just love him for when the corrupt guys in the Continental Congress wanted him to be king... Washington reportedly kneeled before them to hand over his sword and insisted that we be a republic and not a monarchy. Even if that story might be gussied up with some BS, I just love that humility. It's awesome.

    I eat that shit up too. Dude is a fucking legend in terms of history of humanity. History is littered with fucking men that got corrupted by power
    @FireCohen not spitting hot aids. I’m positively shocked.
    Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
    I am a digit clock
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  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club
    Stonewall Jackson
    Lots of idiots around here love racists I see.
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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,304 Founders Club
    Worshington
    Cougzz said:

    1. George Marshall; Genius who supervised Eisenhower and generated the Marshall Plan.
    2. George Washington; Turned down the job of “King”. Also unequivocally won his war.
    3. Winfield Scott; Planned and led the first large scale amphibious landing and ground assault on foreign soil. He set the stage for D Day and WWII Pacific island hopping campaigns.

    4. General Farris: Led the American invasion of Grenada


    ftfy
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  • huskyhooligan
    huskyhooligan Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,923 Swaye's Wigwam
    Sherman
    Swaye said:

    Lots of idiots around here love racists I see.

    #whywestayed
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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,029
    edited January 2021
    Swaye said:

    YellowSnow said:

    CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:

    YellowSnow said:

    RaceBannon said:

    By WW2 the American military was like Secretariat, a tremendous machine. Generals were CEOs and @Logistics was on a global scale. There were thousands of staff doing the grunt work

    Washington and Grant et al were more of a one man show

    To add to @RaceBannon 's point...

    Ike clearly got the job done, but it you had subbed in another figure I don't know that the outcome looks much different. We still beat the Nazis.

    I don't think you can say that about Washington or Grant. W/o either of those guysm being the man of the hour, I don't know that we? win.

    I still rank Grant ahead of Washington, because George fucked up in the summer of 1776 and damn near lost the war. Furthermore, his greatest victory at Yorktown was the ultimate case of it being better to be lucky than good. It was miracle that the French navy didn't fuck up and got to the Chesapeake before the Royal Navy. I mean how often did the French beat the British at sea?
    I definitely have some decency bias for Ike.
    Recency or decency bias? Ike was a very decent man, of course.
    Kay Summersby agrees.


    Wood - kinda got that librarian/stern school teacher thing going on.

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  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,029
    Patton
    I go with Patton. Because, why not? And I've watched the movie with my uncle 1,000 times, and will watch it 1,000 moar before my tim is up.
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  • whlinder
    whlinder Member Posts: 5,267
    edited January 2021
    MacArthur
    I will stand up and support MacArthur! Because










    My elementary school was named for him.
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  • Doog_de_Jour
    Doog_de_Jour Member Posts: 8,041 Standard Supporter
    edited January 2021
    Grant
    YellowSnow said:

    Honorable mentions...

    Phil Sheridan
    Winfield Scott
    Omar Bradley
    Black Jack Pershing
    Storming Norman
    Zachary Taylor



    I do love me some Anaconda Plan.

    While his legacy is certainly tarnished by his involvement with The Trail of Tears, Old Fuss and Feathers got a lot of great FREE PUB! from the Duke of Wellington and General Lee, who both spoke highly of his work as a general, which was a long ass tim...1814-1861.
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  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club
    Stonewall Jackson
    Doog_de_Jour said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Honorable mentions...

    Phil Sheridan
    Winfield Scott
    Omar Bradley
    Black Jack Pershing
    Storming Norman
    Zachary Taylor



    I do love me some Anaconda Plan.

    While his legacy is certainly tarnished by his involvement with The Trail of Tears, Old Fuss and Feathers got a lot of great FREE PUB! from the Duke of Wellington and General Lee, who both spoke highly of his work as a general, which was a long ass tim...1814-1861.
    Scott was actually brilliant, but the senseless murder of many thousand Cherokee kind of puts a damper on things.
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  • CFetters_Nacho_Lover
    CFetters_Nacho_Lover Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 32,251 Founders Club
    Ike
    Swaye said:

    Doog_de_Jour said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Honorable mentions...

    Phil Sheridan
    Winfield Scott
    Omar Bradley
    Black Jack Pershing
    Storming Norman
    Zachary Taylor



    I do love me some Anaconda Plan.

    While his legacy is certainly tarnished by his involvement with The Trail of Tears, Old Fuss and Feathers got a lot of great FREE PUB! from the Duke of Wellington and General Lee, who both spoke highly of his work as a general, which was a long ass tim...1814-1861.
    Scott was actually brilliant, but the senseless murder of many thousand Cherokee kind of puts a damper on things.
    Scott is credited with giving the 3rd Armored Cavalry its motto:

    The regiment’s motto “Blood and Steel” and its nickname “Brave Rifles” derive from an accolade given to the regiment during the Mexican-American War by General Winfield Scott.

    Scott said, “Brave Rifles! Veterans! You have been baptized in fire and blood and have come out steel!”
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