PFF: Oregon vs Washington vs USC – Offense Analysis
QB:
Washington: Dylan Morris – #3 overall QB in Pac12. #1 when you just look at just Passing as graded by PFF.
Oregon: Tyler Shough – #11, barely behind Bentley for the title of worst QB in the Pac 12. If you look at just passing Shough is third worst.
USC: Kedon Slovis – #4 overall, #3 passing.
Note: Davis Mills was the 2nd highest graded.. our loss to Stanford is going to look a lot worse when Mills is a 1st rounder. He is getting a LOT of buzz right now as one of the most accurate QBs in college football.
RB- Ignoring snap limits here, too complicated for me to sort.
Washington:
– McGrew – #13 in Pac 12
– Pleasent- #24
– Davis – #25
– Rest are worst than #30
Oregon:
– Travis Dye – #7
– Verdell #17
– Rest are worst than #30
USC
– Malepai #11
OT – Including snap limits
Washington:
– Curne – #3 overall in Pac 12
– Kirkland – #5
– Note: If I didnt include snap limits, Luciano is the #1 graded OL in the Pac 12. Limited snaps tho.
Oregon:
– Jones – #10
– Sala – #12
– Moore – #20 out of 25 (he is the starter next year I believe, sala inside)
USC
– McKenzie – #21
OG – Including snap lmits
Washington
– Bainivalu – #2 in Pac 12
– Ale – #3
Oregon
– Walk – #5
– Bass – #9
USC
– Voorhees – #18
Center:
Washington
– Wattenberg – #5 in Pac 12
Oregon
– Forsyth – #2
USC
– Neilon – #11
TE not including snap limits
Washington:
– Otton – #1
– Westover – #11
– Redman – #13
Oregon
– DJ Johnson – #8, but truly horrific blocking grades. BAD.
USC – does it matter? Their TEs suck.
WR not including snap limits
Washington
– Ty Jones – #15 in Pac 12
– Bynum – #19
– Nacua – #26
– Rest are below 30
Oregon
– Williams – #11
– Pittman – #22
– Rest are below 30
USC
– London – #13
– Vaugns and Amon Ra were high but I think both are gone.
So basically we dominate in the OL, TE, and have the best QB according to PFF. I will follow up with defense when I get a chance.
Comments
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PFF is for losers
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Thank you for the effort. I found it interesting.
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You’d think with a top tier OL, QB, and TE our offense wouldn’t have been so poor in a comically bad Pac-12. Think again!betadawg said:I wanted to take a look at how PFF graded the top contenders for the Pac 12 next year. I will go position by position. I am only going to highlight returning players. I posted this on BDTW too, but thought some folks here might be interested.
QB:
Washington: Dylan Morris – #3 overall QB in Pac12. #1 when you just look at just Passing as graded by PFF.
Oregon: Tyler Shough – #11, barely behind Bentley for the title of worst QB in the Pac 12. If you look at just passing Shough is third worst.
USC: Kedon Slovis – #4 overall, #3 passing.
Note: Davis Mills was the 2nd highest graded.. our loss to Stanford is going to look a lot worse when Mills is a 1st rounder. He is getting a LOT of buzz right now as one of the most accurate QBs in college football.
RB- Ignoring snap limits here, too complicated for me to sort.
Washington:
– McGrew – #13 in Pac 12
– Pleasent- #24
– Davis – #25
– Rest are worst than #30
Oregon:
– Travis Dye – #7
– Verdell #17
– Rest are worst than #30
USC
– Malepai #11
OT – Including snap limits
Washington:
– Curne – #3 overall in Pac 12
– Kirkland – #5
– Note: If I didnt include snap limits, Luciano is the #1 graded OL in the Pac 12. Limited snaps tho.
Oregon:
– Jones – #10
– Sala – #12
– Moore – #20 out of 25 (he is the starter next year I believe, sala inside)
USC
– McKenzie – #21
OG – Including snap lmits
Washington
– Bainivalu – #2 in Pac 12
– Ale – #3
Oregon
– Walk – #5
– Bass – #9
USC
– Voorhees – #18
Center:
Washington
– Wattenberg – #5 in Pac 12
Oregon
– Forsyth – #2
USC
– Neilon – #11
TE not including snap limits
Washington:
– Otton – #1
– Westover – #11
– Redman – #13
Oregon
– DJ Johnson – #8, but truly horrific blocking grades. BAD.
USC – does it matter? Their TEs suck.
WR not including snap limits
Washington
– Ty Jones – #15 in Pac 12
– Bynum – #19
– Nacua – #26
– Rest are below 30
Oregon
– Williams – #11
– Pittman – #22
– Rest are below 30
USC
– London – #13
– Vaugns and Amon Ra were high but I think both are gone.
So basically we dominate in the OL, TE, and have the best QB according to PFF. I will follow up with defense when I get a chance. -
Shit RB and WR play even things out.dawgs206 said:
You’d think with a top tier OL, QB, and TE our offense wouldn’t have been so poor in a comically bad Pac-12. Think again!betadawg said:I wanted to take a look at how PFF graded the top contenders for the Pac 12 next year. I will go position by position. I am only going to highlight returning players. I posted this on BDTW too, but thought some folks here might be interested.
QB:
Washington: Dylan Morris – #3 overall QB in Pac12. #1 when you just look at just Passing as graded by PFF.
Oregon: Tyler Shough – #11, barely behind Bentley for the title of worst QB in the Pac 12. If you look at just passing Shough is third worst.
USC: Kedon Slovis – #4 overall, #3 passing.
Note: Davis Mills was the 2nd highest graded.. our loss to Stanford is going to look a lot worse when Mills is a 1st rounder. He is getting a LOT of buzz right now as one of the most accurate QBs in college football.
RB- Ignoring snap limits here, too complicated for me to sort.
Washington:
– McGrew – #13 in Pac 12
– Pleasent- #24
– Davis – #25
– Rest are worst than #30
Oregon:
– Travis Dye – #7
– Verdell #17
– Rest are worst than #30
USC
– Malepai #11
OT – Including snap limits
Washington:
– Curne – #3 overall in Pac 12
– Kirkland – #5
– Note: If I didnt include snap limits, Luciano is the #1 graded OL in the Pac 12. Limited snaps tho.
Oregon:
– Jones – #10
– Sala – #12
– Moore – #20 out of 25 (he is the starter next year I believe, sala inside)
USC
– McKenzie – #21
OG – Including snap lmits
Washington
– Bainivalu – #2 in Pac 12
– Ale – #3
Oregon
– Walk – #5
– Bass – #9
USC
– Voorhees – #18
Center:
Washington
– Wattenberg – #5 in Pac 12
Oregon
– Forsyth – #2
USC
– Neilon – #11
TE not including snap limits
Washington:
– Otton – #1
– Westover – #11
– Redman – #13
Oregon
– DJ Johnson – #8, but truly horrific blocking grades. BAD.
USC – does it matter? Their TEs suck.
WR not including snap limits
Washington
– Ty Jones – #15 in Pac 12
– Bynum – #19
– Nacua – #26
– Rest are below 30
Oregon
– Williams – #11
– Pittman – #22
– Rest are below 30
USC
– London – #13
– Vaugns and Amon Ra were high but I think both are gone.
So basically we dominate in the OL, TE, and have the best QB according to PFF. I will follow up with defense when I get a chance.
I think the WRs will be better next year due to Rome and McMillan having a year under their belts. Im close to writing off Puka because he's so injury prone. It would be nice to see him play a whole season.
I have a feeling RB will be the same mess it was last year. Crowded room of JAGs. Maybe Sunday or Adams makes a splash. -
There's a lot to not like about PFF but, barring injuries or something big, there should be major concern for Lake and company if they can't win the shit show that is the Pac-12 next year. The branging' the SEC to the West Coast "Pac-12 champion" got TKOd by Iowa State after closing with losses to the Beav and Cal and has major questions at QB. USC, who lost to said SEC to the West Coast champ kind easily in the championship was just gutted by early entries to the draft and wasn't even that good in 2019, plus Clay Helton. The team I was actually kind of worried about who legit could have been the best in the conference at the end of the season, Stanford, took a huge blow losing the vastly-underrated Davis Mills early to the draft.
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It's promising, mostly because UW has everyone coming back on offense. It would be nice if a stud RB emerged or at least a Newton / McGrew combo being better than ever. Cam Davis seems close and what about Adams Jr?
Speaking of RBs, do USC or Oregon have any guys leaving there?
I'm not sure Davis Mills was underrated, he was just hurt a lot.
Will the first road start of Morris' career be @ Michigan in the 2nd week of the season? My DOOG levels are trending higher thinking about a more physical front 7 and ZTF / Bowman / Smalls / Latu flying around.
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You're assuming Shough is Oregon's starting quarterback next year. That is highly doubtful. It's either Anthony Brown or Ty Thompson
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I don't buy Worshington's receivers are that bad. I don't buy that Dylan Morris is the best QB in the Pac-12 either. I think the fundamental flaw PFF has with grades is that they're bad at telling what's on the QB and what's on the receiver. i.e. PFF will tell you that Mac Jones is the highest graded quarterback in college football. But a mannequin at Dick’s Sporting Goods wouldn't look like a bad quarterback throwing the ball to Devonta Smith and Jaylen Waddle. Some team is going to use a high-round pick on Jones and regret it almost immediately because the arm strength isn't there.bananasnblondes said:
Shit RB and WR play even things out.dawgs206 said:
You’d think with a top tier OL, QB, and TE our offense wouldn’t have been so poor in a comically bad Pac-12. Think again!betadawg said:I wanted to take a look at how PFF graded the top contenders for the Pac 12 next year. I will go position by position. I am only going to highlight returning players. I posted this on BDTW too, but thought some folks here might be interested.
QB:
Washington: Dylan Morris – #3 overall QB in Pac12. #1 when you just look at just Passing as graded by PFF.
Oregon: Tyler Shough – #11, barely behind Bentley for the title of worst QB in the Pac 12. If you look at just passing Shough is third worst.
USC: Kedon Slovis – #4 overall, #3 passing.
Note: Davis Mills was the 2nd highest graded.. our loss to Stanford is going to look a lot worse when Mills is a 1st rounder. He is getting a LOT of buzz right now as one of the most accurate QBs in college football.
RB- Ignoring snap limits here, too complicated for me to sort.
Washington:
– McGrew – #13 in Pac 12
– Pleasent- #24
– Davis – #25
– Rest are worst than #30
Oregon:
– Travis Dye – #7
– Verdell #17
– Rest are worst than #30
USC
– Malepai #11
OT – Including snap limits
Washington:
– Curne – #3 overall in Pac 12
– Kirkland – #5
– Note: If I didnt include snap limits, Luciano is the #1 graded OL in the Pac 12. Limited snaps tho.
Oregon:
– Jones – #10
– Sala – #12
– Moore – #20 out of 25 (he is the starter next year I believe, sala inside)
USC
– McKenzie – #21
OG – Including snap lmits
Washington
– Bainivalu – #2 in Pac 12
– Ale – #3
Oregon
– Walk – #5
– Bass – #9
USC
– Voorhees – #18
Center:
Washington
– Wattenberg – #5 in Pac 12
Oregon
– Forsyth – #2
USC
– Neilon – #11
TE not including snap limits
Washington:
– Otton – #1
– Westover – #11
– Redman – #13
Oregon
– DJ Johnson – #8, but truly horrific blocking grades. BAD.
USC – does it matter? Their TEs suck.
WR not including snap limits
Washington
– Ty Jones – #15 in Pac 12
– Bynum – #19
– Nacua – #26
– Rest are below 30
Oregon
– Williams – #11
– Pittman – #22
– Rest are below 30
USC
– London – #13
– Vaugns and Amon Ra were high but I think both are gone.
So basically we dominate in the OL, TE, and have the best QB according to PFF. I will follow up with defense when I get a chance.
I think the WRs will be better next year due to Rome and McMillan having a year under their belts. Im close to writing off Puka because he's so injury prone. It would be nice to see him play a whole season.
I have a feeling RB will be the same mess it was last year. Crowded room of JAGs. Maybe Sunday or Adams makes a splash.
The same concept is true with Kedon Slovis and Amon-Ra St. Brown and Tyler Vaughns. The same was true of Brownshorts and Ross/Pettis. The same might be true of Davis Mills and Simi Fehoko. Good receivers hide a lot of warts of mediocre quarterbacks in PFF Land. Bad receivers tend to make them show worse.
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Brown or Thompson would still be a major question mark at QB. Brown was nice in a few appearances but that's way different than being a starting QB every down and clearly Shough beat him out in practice. Starting a true freshman would be a major question too no matter how highly rated. UW with Huard at least has a decent set up where if Huard wins the job over Morris it shows he's probably pretty good because Morris showed well in 2020. Thompson also seems a lot like Shough to me in a guy who looked like a mid-four star type guy with some skills who gets a lot of hype out of the Oregon camp/fans.
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This sounds familiar. Oregon fans were touting Shough as being better than Herbert a year ago.greenblood said:You're assuming Shough is Oregon's starting quarterback next year. That is highly doubtful. It's either Anthony Brown or Ty Thompson
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The Shough evolution has been one of the most-entertaining Pac-12 cycles I've ever seen. Going into the season Shough was definitely better than Herbert and possibly better than Mariota and now he's shown to at least be pretty questionable as a redshirt sophomore and now it's onto the next guys. The Sewell evolution was similar where he was the greatest offensive lineman in history but as soon as he opted out the offensive line was still somehow going to be just as good without him.HuskyClaws said:
This sounds familiar. Oregon fans were touting Shough as being better than Herbert a year ago.greenblood said:You're assuming Shough is Oregon's starting quarterback next year. That is highly doubtful. It's either Anthony Brown or Ty Thompson
If there are football gods, Oregon might have some bad luck with QBs coming up after having two guys they didn't really want in Mariota and Herbert turn into what they became. -
Fife is better than Joey is how the legend began
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Kind of like you guys and Hop?HuskyClaws said:
This sounds familiar. Oregon fans were touting Shough as being better than Herbert a year ago.greenblood said:You're assuming Shough is Oregon's starting quarterback next year. That is highly doubtful. It's either Anthony Brown or Ty Thompson
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HuskyClaws said:
This sounds familiar. Oregon fans were touting Shough as being better than Herbert a year ago.greenblood said:You're assuming Shough is Oregon's starting quarterback next year. That is highly doubtful. It's either Anthony Brown or Ty Thompson
That is a lieHuskyClaws said:
This sounds familiar. Oregon fans were touting Shough as being better than Herbert a year ago.greenblood said:You're assuming Shough is Oregon's starting quarterback next year. That is highly doubtful. It's either Anthony Brown or Ty Thompson
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WoolleyDoog said:
The Shough evolution has been one of the most-entertaining Pac-12 cycles I've ever seen. Going into the season Shough was definitely better than Herbert and possibly better than Mariota and now he's shown to at least be pretty questionable as a redshirt sophomore and now it's onto the next guys. The Sewell evolution was similar where he was the greatest offensive lineman in history but as soon as he opted out the offensive line was still somehow going to be just as good without him.HuskyClaws said:
This sounds familiar. Oregon fans were touting Shough as being better than Herbert a year ago.greenblood said:You're assuming Shough is Oregon's starting quarterback next year. That is highly doubtful. It's either Anthony Brown or Ty Thompson
If there are football gods, Oregon might have some bad luck with QBs coming up after having two guys they didn't really want in Mariota and Herbert turn into what they became.
This is bullshit. Oregon wanted both Mariota and Herbert. Mariota wanted to go to Washington and YOU guys didn’t want him. Get your damned facts straight before you spew a bunch of ignorant bull.WoolleyDoog said:
The Shough evolution has been one of the most-entertaining Pac-12 cycles I've ever seen. Going into the season Shough was definitely better than Herbert and possibly better than Mariota and now he's shown to at least be pretty questionable as a redshirt sophomore and now it's onto the next guys. The Sewell evolution was similar where he was the greatest offensive lineman in history but as soon as he opted out the offensive line was still somehow going to be just as good without him.HuskyClaws said:
This sounds familiar. Oregon fans were touting Shough as being better than Herbert a year ago.greenblood said:You're assuming Shough is Oregon's starting quarterback next year. That is highly doubtful. It's either Anthony Brown or Ty Thompson
If there are football gods, Oregon might have some bad luck with QBs coming up after having two guys they didn't really want in Mariota and Herbert turn into what they became.
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You sound familiar...DJDuck said:WoolleyDoog said:
The Shough evolution has been one of the most-entertaining Pac-12 cycles I've ever seen. Going into the season Shough was definitely better than Herbert and possibly better than Mariota and now he's shown to at least be pretty questionable as a redshirt sophomore and now it's onto the next guys. The Sewell evolution was similar where he was the greatest offensive lineman in history but as soon as he opted out the offensive line was still somehow going to be just as good without him.HuskyClaws said:
This sounds familiar. Oregon fans were touting Shough as being better than Herbert a year ago.greenblood said:You're assuming Shough is Oregon's starting quarterback next year. That is highly doubtful. It's either Anthony Brown or Ty Thompson
If there are football gods, Oregon might have some bad luck with QBs coming up after having two guys they didn't really want in Mariota and Herbert turn into what they became.
This is bullshit. Oregon wanted both Mariota and Herbert. Mariota wanted to go to Washington and YOU guys didn’t want him. Get your damned facts straight before you spew a bunch of ignorant bull.WoolleyDoog said:
The Shough evolution has been one of the most-entertaining Pac-12 cycles I've ever seen. Going into the season Shough was definitely better than Herbert and possibly better than Mariota and now he's shown to at least be pretty questionable as a redshirt sophomore and now it's onto the next guys. The Sewell evolution was similar where he was the greatest offensive lineman in history but as soon as he opted out the offensive line was still somehow going to be just as good without him.HuskyClaws said:
This sounds familiar. Oregon fans were touting Shough as being better than Herbert a year ago.greenblood said:You're assuming Shough is Oregon's starting quarterback next year. That is highly doubtful. It's either Anthony Brown or Ty Thompson
If there are football gods, Oregon might have some bad luck with QBs coming up after having two guys they didn't really want in Mariota and Herbert turn into what they became.
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Oregon also had Johnny Manziel committed. When he decommitted the Ducks worked to keep Mariota. Manziel instead of Mariota would have been fine.WoolleyDoog said:
The Shough evolution has been one of the most-entertaining Pac-12 cycles I've ever seen. Going into the season Shough was definitely better than Herbert and possibly better than Mariota and now he's shown to at least be pretty questionable as a redshirt sophomore and now it's onto the next guys. The Sewell evolution was similar where he was the greatest offensive lineman in history but as soon as he opted out the offensive line was still somehow going to be just as good without him.HuskyClaws said:
This sounds familiar. Oregon fans were touting Shough as being better than Herbert a year ago.greenblood said:You're assuming Shough is Oregon's starting quarterback next year. That is highly doubtful. It's either Anthony Brown or Ty Thompson
If there are football gods, Oregon might have some bad luck with QBs coming up after having two guys they didn't really want in Mariota and Herbert turn into what they became. -
DJDuck said:HuskyClaws said:
This sounds familiar. Oregon fans were touting Shough as being better than Herbert a year ago.greenblood said:You're assuming Shough is Oregon's starting quarterback next year. That is highly doubtful. It's either Anthony Brown or Ty Thompson
That is a lieHuskyClaws said:
This sounds familiar. Oregon fans were touting Shough as being better than Herbert a year ago.greenblood said:You're assuming Shough is Oregon's starting quarterback next year. That is highly doubtful. It's either Anthony Brown or Ty Thompson
DJDuck said:HuskyClaws said:
This sounds familiar. Oregon fans were touting Shough as being better than Herbert a year ago.greenblood said:You're assuming Shough is Oregon's starting quarterback next year. That is highly doubtful. It's either Anthony Brown or Ty Thompson
That is a lieHuskyClaws said:
This sounds familiar. Oregon fans were touting Shough as being better than Herbert a year ago.greenblood said:You're assuming Shough is Oregon's starting quarterback next year. That is highly doubtful. It's either Anthony Brown or Ty Thompson
DJDuck said:HuskyClaws said:
This sounds familiar. Oregon fans were touting Shough as being better than Herbert a year ago.greenblood said:You're assuming Shough is Oregon's starting quarterback next year. That is highly doubtful. It's either Anthony Brown or Ty Thompson
That is a lieHuskyClaws said:
This sounds familiar. Oregon fans were touting Shough as being better than Herbert a year ago.greenblood said:You're assuming Shough is Oregon's starting quarterback next year. That is highly doubtful. It's either Anthony Brown or Ty Thompson
DJDuck said:HuskyClaws said:
This sounds familiar. Oregon fans were touting Shough as being better than Herbert a year ago.greenblood said:You're assuming Shough is Oregon's starting quarterback next year. That is highly doubtful. It's either Anthony Brown or Ty Thompson
That is a lieHuskyClaws said:
This sounds familiar. Oregon fans were touting Shough as being better than Herbert a year ago.greenblood said:You're assuming Shough is Oregon's starting quarterback next year. That is highly doubtful. It's either Anthony Brown or Ty Thompson
DJDuck said:HuskyClaws said:
This sounds familiar. Oregon fans were touting Shough as being better than Herbert a year ago.greenblood said:You're assuming Shough is Oregon's starting quarterback next year. That is highly doubtful. It's either Anthony Brown or Ty Thompson
That is a lieHuskyClaws said:
This sounds familiar. Oregon fans were touting Shough as being better than Herbert a year ago.greenblood said:You're assuming Shough is Oregon's starting quarterback next year. That is highly doubtful. It's either Anthony Brown or Ty Thompson
DJDuck said:HuskyClaws said:
This sounds familiar. Oregon fans were touting Shough as being better than Herbert a year ago.greenblood said:You're assuming Shough is Oregon's starting quarterback next year. That is highly doubtful. It's either Anthony Brown or Ty Thompson
That is a lieHuskyClaws said:
This sounds familiar. Oregon fans were touting Shough as being better than Herbert a year ago.greenblood said:You're assuming Shough is Oregon's starting quarterback next year. That is highly doubtful. It's either Anthony Brown or Ty Thompson
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Sounds dangerously similar to another poster who hung around here .... and his student.WoolleyDoog said:Brown or Thompson would still be a major question mark at QB. Brown was nice in a few appearances but that's way different than being a starting QB every down and clearly Shough beat him out in practice. Starting a true freshman would be a major question too no matter how highly rated. UW with Huard at least has a decent set up where if Huard wins the job over Morris it shows he's probably pretty good because Morris showed well in 2020. Thompson also seems a lot like Shough to me in a guy who looked like a mid-four star type guy with some skills who gets a lot of hype out of the Oregon camp/fans.
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Bullshit. Try a little harder dude. Nobody was saying that. And nobody said or implied that they wouldn't miss Sewell.WoolleyDoog said:
The Shough evolution has been one of the most-entertaining Pac-12 cycles I've ever seen. Going into the season Shough was definitely better than Herbert and possibly better than Mariota and now he's shown to at least be pretty questionable as a redshirt sophomore and now it's onto the next guys. The Sewell evolution was similar where he was the greatest offensive lineman in history but as soon as he opted out the offensive line was still somehow going to be just as good without him.HuskyClaws said:
This sounds familiar. Oregon fans were touting Shough as being better than Herbert a year ago.greenblood said:You're assuming Shough is Oregon's starting quarterback next year. That is highly doubtful. It's either Anthony Brown or Ty Thompson
If there are football gods, Oregon might have some bad luck with QBs coming up after having two guys they didn't really want in Mariota and Herbert turn into what they became.
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Lolz. There's more than one of them.HuskyClaws said:
This sounds familiar. Oregon fans were touting Shough as being better than Herbert a year ago.greenblood said:You're assuming Shough is Oregon's starting quarterback next year. That is highly doubtful. It's either Anthony Brown or Ty Thompson
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creepycoug said:
Sounds dangerously similar to another poster who hung around here .... and his student.WoolleyDoog said:Brown or Thompson would still be a major question mark at QB. Brown was nice in a few appearances but that's way different than being a starting QB every down and clearly Shough beat him out in practice. Starting a true freshman would be a major question too no matter how highly rated. UW with Huard at least has a decent set up where if Huard wins the job over Morris it shows he's probably pretty good because Morris showed well in 2020. Thompson also seems a lot like Shough to me in a guy who looked like a mid-four star type guy with some skills who gets a lot of hype out of the Oregon camp/fans.
Staff? True??
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FREE PUB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!creepycoug said:
Sounds dangerously similar to another poster who hung around here .... and his student.WoolleyDoog said:Brown or Thompson would still be a major question mark at QB. Brown was nice in a few appearances but that's way different than being a starting QB every down and clearly Shough beat him out in practice. Starting a true freshman would be a major question too no matter how highly rated. UW with Huard at least has a decent set up where if Huard wins the job over Morris it shows he's probably pretty good because Morris showed well in 2020. Thompson also seems a lot like Shough to me in a guy who looked like a mid-four star type guy with some skills who gets a lot of hype out of the Oregon camp/fans.
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https://hardcorehusky.com/discussion/66242/change-my-mind-duck-fansDJDuck said:HuskyClaws said:
This sounds familiar. Oregon fans were touting Shough as being better than Herbert a year ago.greenblood said:You're assuming Shough is Oregon's starting quarterback next year. That is highly doubtful. It's either Anthony Brown or Ty Thompson
That is a lieHuskyClaws said:
This sounds familiar. Oregon fans were touting Shough as being better than Herbert a year ago.greenblood said:You're assuming Shough is Oregon's starting quarterback next year. That is highly doubtful. It's either Anthony Brown or Ty Thompson
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@DJDuck struggling on every thread.
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So much anger. I guess I missed the tone of this site and didn't realize any statements couldn't contain a little bit of hyperbole but yes, there were plenty of Dooks on Twitter that were touting how they were more excited for Shough than Herbert. Saying they thought he would be better than Mariota is a bit of a joke but that's more of a comment on the general hype fans were giving Shough with no real proof of anything.
With the Mariota recruitment I only remember what I vaguely remember from the excellent source of Doogman and recruiting rankings but I also don't remember much excitement from the Oregon camp when he was signed. He was definitely an underrated recruit though and if UW truly didn't sell out for him and was fine with Derrick Brown that was a huge miss. I for sure know and remember Oregon only took Herbert after whiffing on a ton of QBs. I will also give them credit for that though as at the time I thought a lot more schools should have taken a shot on him.
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To be fair, people who actually know about Oregon football (not djduck) were definitely way more excited for Mariota than shough.WoolleyDoog said:So much anger. I guess I missed the tone of this site and didn't realize any statements couldn't contain a little bit of hyperbole but yes, there were plenty of Dooks on Twitter that were touting how they were more excited for Shough than Herbert. Saying they thought he would be better than Mariota is a bit of a joke but that's more of a comment on the general hype fans were giving Shough with no real proof of anything.
With the Mariota recruitment I only remember what I vaguely remember from the excellent source of Doogman and recruiting rankings but I also don't remember much excitement from the Oregon camp when he was signed. He was definitely an underrated recruit though and if UW truly didn't sell out for him and was fine with Derrick Brown that was a huge miss. I for sure know and remember Oregon only took Herbert after whiffing on a ton of QBs. I will also give them credit for that though as at the time I thought a lot more schools should have taken a shot on him.
Either way, the pre-hype on Shough was way more loud than it was for either of those guys. That is all. -
If you’re going to make statements that are overtly doogish at least don’t sound so defensive about it.WoolleyDoog said:So much anger. I guess I missed the tone of this site and didn't realize any statements couldn't contain a little bit of hyperbole but yes, there were plenty of Dooks on Twitter that were touting how they were more excited for Shough than Herbert. Saying they thought he would be better than Mariota is a bit of a joke but that's more of a comment on the general hype fans were giving Shough with no real proof of anything.
With the Mariota recruitment I only remember what I vaguely remember from the excellent source of Doogman and recruiting rankings but I also don't remember much excitement from the Oregon camp when he was signed. He was definitely an underrated recruit though and if UW truly didn't sell out for him and was fine with Derrick Brown that was a huge miss. I for sure know and remember Oregon only took Herbert after whiffing on a ton of QBs. I will also give them credit for that though as at the time I thought a lot more schools should have taken a shot on him.
Either way, the pre-hype on Shough was way more loud than it was for either of those guys. That is all.
No one was more hyped for Shough than Mariota before their first starts. Mariota was the talk of the off season before 2012, I don’t remember so much buzz for a redshirt freshman before that or since.
As an FYI when Mariota was signed there was plenty of hype, but no need for an off season natty when real ones were on the table. Folk stories of Mariota being a 2-star recruit is ESPN’s doing because they had him as such. 247 had Mariota as a 4-star, and Rivals had him as a high 3-star above Manziel, Everett Golson, etc. Many of the people on my board preferred the Texas kid, Super Manziel they called him, but were saying if this kid is as fast as he looks it’s going to be amazing.
You’re welcome to mock people for thinking Shough would be better than Herbert but not for being excited for Shough. He was a blue chip recruit that looked good in the spring game and in mop up duty. You say there’s no proof but people had literally seen him play in blowouts and be 12/15 for 144 yards and 3 TDs while being surprisingly fast for someone that looks like the bully in an 80s teen movie. I saw him in the 2019 spring game and I saw a guy who could definitely play. It’s not like Oregon fans are the ones who created the hype, the national media took one look at him and anointed him the next great Oregon QB. The articles on Shough from back then:
Quarterback Justin Herbert is still elite, throwing a pair of touchdown passes and making zero errors. However, back-up quarterback Tyler Shough stole the show. Oregon fans can breathe easy knowing the Ducks have a reliable backup quarterback.
People had Herbert fatigue. If anyone forgot, he was wildly inconsistent. Everyone knew he had the tools to be an NFL QB but they also saw him miss plays any QB should make. Thank Arroyo, if Moorhead was the OC in 2018 and 2019 it would have been a different story.
You also said that if Huard beats out Morris it’s a sign that he’s good and if Thompson wins Oregon’s job it’s troubling. How the fuck does that make sense? Don’t misunderstand the poont, I never want to see Shough start another game. Shough soughs and was fools gold, but he produced more:
Shough: 223 YPG, 63.6%, 9.3 Y/A, 1.86 TD/ .86 INT, 160.4 rating, 39 YPG rushing 4.1 YPC
Morris: 224 YPG, 60.9%, 8.3 Y/A, 1 TD / .75 INT, 136.0 rating, 14.25 YPG rushing 3.4 YPC
You’re critiquing quookery over Ty Thompson, in the den of the savior, big dick QB fan club.
I never count on a true freshman QB and cringe when people do. But you have to remember Thompson is Oregon’s highest rated QB recruit ever. Thompson won the national player of the year award, a second state title he carried the team to, had both reputable recruiting sites name him the best QB at the Elite 11, and is already on campus looking like someone put a child’s head on the body of an NFL linebacker. Scouting QBs reliably is nigh impossible, those who have devoted their whole life to it can’t do it consistently. Thompson has the things you want: build, athleticism, and most importantly: the arm talent talent that Shough doesn’t have and is the number one predictor of QB success. He’s stepping into a situation with no clear cut incumbent, an offense that matches his skills, and enough talent around him.
Let people quook about it. They might look dumb, and that’s when you come back and rub their faces in it. -
Wasn't Herbert's problem that he broke his leg or something in high school and therefore missed the TBS circuit? I remember him being a decent recruit, then getting hurt and falling off a cliff, then the local team gave him an offer sort of thing.
