Calvinism in College Football
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30563882/college-football-playoff-2020-committee-remains-disappointingly-predictable
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Seriously.
And it’s not like the playoff committee is wrong either. It’s just that college football has been NFL-ized without the counterbalance of the draft to try maintain some parity.
I don’t know how you fix it, but it’s bullshit and I’m embarrassed I supported the CFP back in the day. -
As much as I hate the NFL, they excel at creating parity with the draft and salary cap.Doog_de_Jour said:Seriously.
And it’s not like the playoff committee is wrong either. It’s just that college football has been NFL-ized without the counterbalance of the draft to try maintain some parity.
I don’t know how you fix it, but it’s bullshit and I’m embarrassed I supported the CFP back in the day.
We can't fault Bamma, Clemson or tOSU for doing everything thing they can to win. But having the same matchups each post season has become boring and repetitive. The old Rose, Sugar, Orange, Fiesta, match ups would be so much more compelling.
Way to go college football. Just start paying the players so I can quit already. -
Beat them on the field
Or keep supporting the cuckiest cuck of a cuck program that ever cucked -
Oh, I don’t fault BAMA, Clemson, or tOSU either. Good on them for gaming the system to their benefit. It’s disappointing our? team/conference couldn’t get their act together and do the same.YellowSnow said:
As much as I hate the NFL, they excel at creating parity with the draft and salary cap.Doog_de_Jour said:Seriously.
And it’s not like the playoff committee is wrong either. It’s just that college football has been NFL-ized without the counterbalance of the draft to try maintain some parity.
I don’t know how you fix it, but it’s bullshit and I’m embarrassed I supported the CFP back in the day.
We can't fault Bamma, Clemson or tOSU for doing everything thing they can to win. But having the same matchups each post season has become boring and repetitive. The old Rose, Sugar, Orange, Fiesta, match ups would be so much more compelling.
Way to go college football. Just start paying the players so I can quit already.
And don’t worry Yella, all signs point to college football becoming semi-pro if not straight up professional in the next few years. The dominoes are starting to fall. -
You're never putting the genie back in the bottle. Expand to 8 or this status quo will maintain forever.
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Bowls -n- Polls.dnc said:You're never putting the genie back in the bottle. Expand to 8 or this status quo will maintain forever.
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I understand the desire for this but it's not ever going to happen again.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Bowls -n- Polls.dnc said:You're never putting the genie back in the bottle. Expand to 8 or this status quo will maintain forever.
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That’s what’s going to end up happening. Leach and many other coaches have been lobbying for it.dnc said:You're never putting the genie back in the bottle. Expand to 8 or this status quo will maintain forever.
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It's chinevitable. Why delay it? The current system is the worst possible scenario.Doog_de_Jour said:
That’s what’s going to end up happening. Leach and many other coaches have been lobbying for it.dnc said:You're never putting the genie back in the bottle. Expand to 8 or this status quo will maintain forever.
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We(!) know futility of desire here.dnc said:
I understand the desire for this but it's not ever going to happen again.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Bowls -n- Polls.dnc said:You're never putting the genie back in the bottle. Expand to 8 or this status quo will maintain forever.
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You gotta figure out the @Logistics first.dnc said:
It's chinevitable. Why delay it? The current system is the worst possible scenario.Doog_de_Jour said:
That’s what’s going to end up happening. Leach and many other coaches have been lobbying for it.dnc said:You're never putting the genie back in the bottle. Expand to 8 or this status quo will maintain forever.
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Of course they have Saban driving the car. 😅RaceBannon said: -
To Grumble's point, the best solution was always to keep the traditional bowls and have the post bowls AP #1 vs #2 play each other 2 weeks late on a neutral field, like when Sports Illustrated had us beat @creepycoug in 1992.dnc said:
I understand the desire for this but it's not ever going to happen again.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Bowls -n- Polls.dnc said:You're never putting the genie back in the bottle. Expand to 8 or this status quo will maintain forever.
In lieu of this, I think the only way to go is get rid of the bowls once and for all and go 16 team Division FCS Model. Wining the Pac and hosting a top 16 marquee opponent in Husky Stadium in December would be more entertaining than the current model. -
I don't disagree with y'all so far, but this article being written by ESPN is incredibly dumb.
"We ruined college football and made tons of money off it and now we're bitching about it." - basically. -
its hilarious to see espn running a story about how 'predictable' the selection committee is/was when espn owns the playoff.YellowSnow said:CFP has completely ruined college football and made it boring as fuck. Bamma, Clemson and Ohio State have gotten 20 of 28 bids since this shit show started.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30563882/college-football-playoff-2020-committee-remains-disappointingly-predictable
i for one am shocked that in a year of declining tv ratings that the selection committee would force three blue bloods and clempsun upon the viewing public.
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Expand the playoff to 8 teams. Then UW, Oregon or USC can sell to west coast talent that they can play in the playoff if they win the conference. As it stands now most kids know you have to be perfect to get a shot playing on the west coast and odds and history say that won’t happen. The 8 team playoff alone might stem the migration of high end talent and slow the death of west coast football. Emeka isn’t going to Ohio State for a bag of cash. He’s going to make a final four, play on that stage, ball out and make the NFL. With an elite 8 he could win the PAC at UW and play against Clemson or Georgia in a quarter final in front of the whole country. As it stands if he’d stayed at UW, he might have the option of playing the B1Gs second or third place team in a shitty Rose Bowl that no one outside of Seattle cares about. That’s the recruiting pitch that’s killing our conference.
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Oh, and women's tennis aficionado Larry Scott. FMFYFEtheknowledge said:Expand the playoff to 8 teams. Then UW, Oregon or USC can sell to west coast talent that they can play in the playoff if they win the conference. As it stands now most kids know you have to be perfect to get a shot playing on the west coast and odds and history say that won’t happen. The 8 team playoff alone might stem the migration of high end talent and slow the death of west coast football. Emeka isn’t going to Ohio State for a bag of cash. He’s going to make a final four, play on that stage, ball out and make the NFL. With an elite 8 he could win the PAC at UW and play against Clemson or Georgia in a quarter final in front of the whole country. As it stands if he’d stayed at UW, he might have the option of playing the B1Gs second or third place team in a shitty Rose Bowl that no one outside of Seattle cares about. That’s the recruiting pitch that’s killing our conference.
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Expanding the playoff doesn't solve the problem. It's not like having eight teams in the playoffs will suddenly make Alabama not rape teams four through eight. What we're seeing in college football is human nature and capitalism in action. Remove all barriers to competition, and eventually one corporation will rule them all. Every time. If you're a fan of any racing series, you've seen a team/factory dominate to the point where rules have to be made to achieve competitive balance.
Eliminating the playoffs and going back to the way things were would have a chance of fixing college football (for fans of all but a handful of programs) after a while, as regional powerhouses would get a perhaps undeserved bump in the polls. Not only will that genie never be put back in the bottle, but it's not even a for-sure solution.
Professional sports leagues have the blueprint for success: competitive balancing. In college sports, the only real lever there would be scholarship limits. Just like the Super Bowl champ picks last, if you want competitive balance in CFB, you've gotta start reducing scholarship limits for programs in various tiers of the postseason rankings. This will never happen, though, so enjoy a decade of Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State winning bigly. -
Unfortunately the playoff makes everyone too much money so they won't get rid of it. While expanding to 8 won't 'fix' the issue of the same 3 teams winning every year, it will at least fix the narrative problem of CFB.
Because right now the media has made the playoff the only thing that matters, and the only real discussion is deciding between which 3-4 teams deserve to get the 4 spot and the honor of getting throttled by Bama or Clemson. At least if there's 8 teams, more teams have something to play for later into the season and we get to talk about more things than the same 4 teams every year. It would be a lot more fun if we got to talk about Cincinnati for a week instead of Notre Dame.
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Eight team model is good, 16 is better, but in reading this, I can't escape the thought that no matter what they do, we will get a yearly final four out of the same four SEC schools (Bama, Georgia, Florida, LSU) with TOSU, Clemson, maybe Okie on occasion. They should call it "the tournament for schools that care about football"...8 or 16 would get us (PAC12) a seat at the kids table, but...same as it ever was.
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Fans tend to prefer dynasties
Fans don't want Cinderella to make it past the 2nd weekend in the big dance
Fans root for ITT and the New York Yankees
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The 16 FCS model is just my pipe dream mind you, but I think the Pac could do well in such a set up. I think if you win your Power 5 conference you are guaranteed a top 5 seeds and thus a 1st round home game. The 2nd or 3rd place SEC team would just love having to come play in Eugene or Seattle in December. This would be a beautiful thing.Fishpo31 said:Eight team model is good, 16 is better, but in reading this, I can't escape the thought that no matter what they do, we will get a yearly final four out of the same four SEC schools (Bama, Georgia, Florida, LSU) with TOSU, Clemson, maybe Okie on occasion. They should call it "the tournament for schools that care about football"...8 or 16 would get us (PAC12) a seat at the kids table, but...same as it ever was.
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I need everybody to understand how drunk I was when I conceived of and typed out this plan to save college football. Not pants-shitting drunk, but that may have just been dumb luck. I just read this, vaguely recalling typing it, and I'm here to beat my chest at how coherent it is.1to392831weretaken said:Expanding the playoff doesn't solve the problem. It's not like having eight teams in the playoffs will suddenly make Alabama not rape teams four through eight. What we're seeing in college football is human nature and capitalism in action. Remove all barriers to competition, and eventually one corporation will rule them all. Every time. If you're a fan of any racing series, you've seen a team/factory dominate to the point where rules have to be made to achieve competitive balance.
Eliminating the playoffs and going back to the way things were would have a chance of fixing college football (for fans of all but a handful of programs) after a while, as regional powerhouses would get a perhaps undeserved bump in the polls. Not only will that genie never be put back in the bottle, but it's not even a for-sure solution.
Professional sports leagues have the blueprint for success: competitive balancing. In college sports, the only real lever there would be scholarship limits. Just like the Super Bowl champ picks last, if you want competitive balance in CFB, you've gotta start reducing scholarship limits for programs in various tiers of the postseason rankings. This will never happen, though, so enjoy a decade of Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State winning bigly.
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Expand to 8 and you’ll at least see some upsets and every now and then see a different team in the final 4 and championship game.dnc said:You're never putting the genie back in the bottle. Expand to 8 or this status quo will maintain forever.
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Expand to 8 and you’ll at least see some upsets and every now and then see a different team in the final 4 and championship game.dnc said:You're never putting the genie back in the bottle. Expand to 8 or this status quo will maintain forever.
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I don't think the size of the tournament is going to change much of the results. The best PAC champ in recent memory was UW in 16 and we did not physically match up with Bama.
Without hard caps on coaching salary, some form of scholarship restrictions to stop oversigning, and revenue sharing across all programs (expanding on the bowl game revenue payout model) nothing changes, IMO. If CFB is going to be set up and run like a junior NFL, which it now is, it should have the same types of rules in place to encourage some semblance of parity.
The current setup is detrimental to the overall health of the sport and the ability of all programs to survive. "Beat them on the field" mantra is a tired trope that excuses the destruction of CFB that is occurring thanks to the Bama model.
