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California did it the right way.

SFGbob
SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
SF has been closed down since March. The office where I work closed on March 13th and but for a few people in IT and the mailroom has remained closed since then. There is nowhere that you can go anywhere in SF or the Bay Area for that matter where you'll see people not wearing masks. Hell in my neighborhood you'll see people wearing masks while they walk their dog or ride their bike by themselves.

And yet, here we are.



California - the country's largest and richest state - is the new epicenter of America's coronavirus crisis, with unprecedented surges of seriously infected patients threatening to overwhelm hospitals and overflow morgues.

The state is reporting unnerving numbers: California has set nationwide records for new cases again and again in the past week - most recently on Wednesday, when it posted more than 41,000 infections. If California were a country, it would be among the world leaders in new covid-19 cases, ahead of India, Germany and Britain.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,870 Founders Club
    Sounds grim

    Hopefully Biden does more of the same
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,063
    Saint Gavin and Queen Nancy will save them.

  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,748 Standard Supporter
    Cases don't matter.
  • DoogieMcDoogerson
    DoogieMcDoogerson Member Posts: 2,506
    Inslee will start instituting sympathy lockdowns here out of respect for Californians.
  • DoogieMcDoogerson
    DoogieMcDoogerson Member Posts: 2,506
    Striking data considering:

    1) Similar Climate
    2) High Density Populations in big cities
    3) Completely opposite public health strategy

    Lockdowns clearly don't work. But we knew that.




  • Goduckies
    Goduckies Member Posts: 7,965 Standard Supporter
    Yeah makes me wonder is the masks are effective... nope unless you have an n95
  • alumni94
    alumni94 Member Posts: 4,863
    edited December 2020
    Well, I live in San Mateo County. Looking at a smaller set of data, it appears every time they close us down, the worse it gets. I really think let me people do their thing, data wise, has been the best action.
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
    alumni94 said:

    Well, I live in San Mateo County. Looking at a smaller set of data, it appears every time they close us down, the worse it gets. I really think let me people do their thing, data wise, has been the best action.

    Sounds like something a science denier would say
  • alumni94
    alumni94 Member Posts: 4,863

    alumni94 said:

    Well, I live in San Mateo County. Looking at a smaller set of data, it appears every time they close us down, the worse it gets. I really think let me people do their thing, data wise, has been the best action.

    Sounds like something a science denier would say
    Science vs. Math showdown.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,063
    alumni94 said:

    alumni94 said:

    Well, I live in San Mateo County. Looking at a smaller set of data, it appears every time they close us down, the worse it gets. I really think let me people do their thing, data wise, has been the best action.

    Sounds like something a science denier would say
    Science vs. Math showdown.
    Dance off?
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,261 Founders Club

    Striking data considering:

    1) Similar Climate
    2) High Density Populations in big cities
    3) Completely opposite public health strategy

    Lockdowns clearly don't work. But we knew that.




    CA just needed more time to get their guys in there. But still, they've got some work to do to catch up to FL.

    FL - 950 Deaths / 1M
    CA - 563 Deaths / 1M

    We'll have to see how it shakes out in the end.
  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,677 Founders Club

    Striking data considering:

    1) Similar Climate
    2) High Density Populations in big cities
    3) Completely opposite public health strategy

    Lockdowns clearly don't work. But we knew that.




    CA just needed more time to get their guys in there. But still, they've got some work to do to catch up to FL.

    FL - 950 Deaths / 1M
    CA - 563 Deaths / 1M

    We'll have to see how it shakes out in the end.
    Also noteworthy, one state has a cratered economy and one doesn’t. Similar total deaths, Cali in the lead there currently.
  • Blu82
    Blu82 Member Posts: 1,672
    California can do what it wants.

    Just returned from 10 days in Florida.
    Everyone in masks.
    Go figure.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,261 Founders Club
    Bob_C said:

    Striking data considering:

    1) Similar Climate
    2) High Density Populations in big cities
    3) Completely opposite public health strategy

    Lockdowns clearly don't work. But we knew that.




    CA just needed more time to get their guys in there. But still, they've got some work to do to catch up to FL.

    FL - 950 Deaths / 1M
    CA - 563 Deaths / 1M

    We'll have to see how it shakes out in the end.
    Also noteworthy, one state has a cratered economy and one doesn’t. Similar total deaths, Cali in the lead there currently.
    No. Not similar total deaths. FL almost double per capita.

    I think the lock downs are mostly FS and counter productive. But let’s CA cordwood has been way lower than FL and that’s fact.
  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,677 Founders Club

    Bob_C said:

    Striking data considering:

    1) Similar Climate
    2) High Density Populations in big cities
    3) Completely opposite public health strategy

    Lockdowns clearly don't work. But we knew that.




    CA just needed more time to get their guys in there. But still, they've got some work to do to catch up to FL.

    FL - 950 Deaths / 1M
    CA - 563 Deaths / 1M

    We'll have to see how it shakes out in the end.
    Also noteworthy, one state has a cratered economy and one doesn’t. Similar total deaths, Cali in the lead there currently.
    No. Not similar total deaths. FL almost double per capita.

    I think the lock downs are mostly FS and counter productive. But let’s CA cordwood has been way lower than FL and that’s fact.
    Looked it up yesterday, CA at 22k, FL at 20k.
  • theknowledge
    theknowledge Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,632 Founders Club
    Bob_C said:

    Bob_C said:

    Striking data considering:

    1) Similar Climate
    2) High Density Populations in big cities
    3) Completely opposite public health strategy

    Lockdowns clearly don't work. But we knew that.




    CA just needed more time to get their guys in there. But still, they've got some work to do to catch up to FL.

    FL - 950 Deaths / 1M
    CA - 563 Deaths / 1M

    We'll have to see how it shakes out in the end.
    Also noteworthy, one state has a cratered economy and one doesn’t. Similar total deaths, Cali in the lead there currently.
    No. Not similar total deaths. FL almost double per capita.

    I think the lock downs are mostly FS and counter productive. But let’s CA cordwood has been way lower than FL and that’s fact.
    Looked it up yesterday, CA at 22k, FL at 20k.
    Yella is talking deaths per million. More people in Cali, hence a lower rate of death. He's also saying that Cali might catch up because nothing we do seems to really work in the long run.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    Bob_C said:

    Bob_C said:

    Striking data considering:

    1) Similar Climate
    2) High Density Populations in big cities
    3) Completely opposite public health strategy

    Lockdowns clearly don't work. But we knew that.




    CA just needed more time to get their guys in there. But still, they've got some work to do to catch up to FL.

    FL - 950 Deaths / 1M
    CA - 563 Deaths / 1M

    We'll have to see how it shakes out in the end.
    Also noteworthy, one state has a cratered economy and one doesn’t. Similar total deaths, Cali in the lead there currently.
    No. Not similar total deaths. FL almost double per capita.

    I think the lock downs are mostly FS and counter productive. But let’s CA cordwood has been way lower than FL and that’s fact.
    Looked it up yesterday, CA at 22k, FL at 20k.
    Yella is talking deaths per million. More people in Cali, hence a lower rate of death. He's also saying that Cali might catch up because nothing we do seems to really work in the long run.
    Washington Post just today is reporting that this is all Trump's fault because he didn't take it seriously enough.
  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    But South Dakota!
  • NorthwestFresh
    NorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972
    Shutdown the state. Eliminate competition. Newsom’s winery gets to stay open. Profit!

  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,999
    Yella has to account for the fact that Florida has a much older population...it’s basically people 75+ dying from this.
  • NorthwestFresh
    NorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972
    500 or 950 out of a million doesn’t matter.

    It’s foolish to destroy small businesses for some old people near death anyhow. As Obama said, give the Olds pills and let them die in a fog of opiates as life goes forward for everyone else.
  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,677 Founders Club

    Bob_C said:

    Bob_C said:

    Striking data considering:

    1) Similar Climate
    2) High Density Populations in big cities
    3) Completely opposite public health strategy

    Lockdowns clearly don't work. But we knew that.




    CA just needed more time to get their guys in there. But still, they've got some work to do to catch up to FL.

    FL - 950 Deaths / 1M
    CA - 563 Deaths / 1M

    We'll have to see how it shakes out in the end.
    Also noteworthy, one state has a cratered economy and one doesn’t. Similar total deaths, Cali in the lead there currently.
    No. Not similar total deaths. FL almost double per capita.

    I think the lock downs are mostly FS and counter productive. But let’s CA cordwood has been way lower than FL and that’s fact.
    Looked it up yesterday, CA at 22k, FL at 20k.
    Yella is talking deaths per million. More people in Cali, hence a lower rate of death. He's also saying that Cali might catch up because nothing we do seems to really work in the long run.
    He said total deaths not similar. I showed that was wrong. But anyways, you see totals referenced when it serves and you see ratios when it serves.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,035 Standard Supporter

    Bob_C said:

    Striking data considering:

    1) Similar Climate
    2) High Density Populations in big cities
    3) Completely opposite public health strategy

    Lockdowns clearly don't work. But we knew that.




    CA just needed more time to get their guys in there. But still, they've got some work to do to catch up to FL.

    FL - 950 Deaths / 1M
    CA - 563 Deaths / 1M

    We'll have to see how it shakes out in the end.
    Also noteworthy, one state has a cratered economy and one doesn’t. Similar total deaths, Cali in the lead there currently.
    No. Not similar total deaths. FL almost double per capita.

    I think the lock downs are mostly FS and counter productive. But let’s CA cordwood has been way lower than FL and that’s fact.
    Might want to look at the age range of those dying. Just a thought.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,261 Founders Club
    Bob_C said:

    Bob_C said:

    Bob_C said:

    Striking data considering:

    1) Similar Climate
    2) High Density Populations in big cities
    3) Completely opposite public health strategy

    Lockdowns clearly don't work. But we knew that.




    CA just needed more time to get their guys in there. But still, they've got some work to do to catch up to FL.

    FL - 950 Deaths / 1M
    CA - 563 Deaths / 1M

    We'll have to see how it shakes out in the end.
    Also noteworthy, one state has a cratered economy and one doesn’t. Similar total deaths, Cali in the lead there currently.
    No. Not similar total deaths. FL almost double per capita.

    I think the lock downs are mostly FS and counter productive. But let’s CA cordwood has been way lower than FL and that’s fact.
    Looked it up yesterday, CA at 22k, FL at 20k.
    Yella is talking deaths per million. More people in Cali, hence a lower rate of death. He's also saying that Cali might catch up because nothing we do seems to really work in the long run.
    He said total deaths not similar. I showed that was wrong. But anyways, you see totals referenced when it serves and you see ratios when it serves.
    My bad if I misread your earlier comment. At the end of the day, per capita is the more relevant stat than total deaths.
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,261 Founders Club

    Yella has to account for the fact that Florida has a much older population...it’s basically people 75+ dying from this.

    Yeah, I would suspect higher percentage of really olds in FL is playing a role here.

    CA is also 40% Hispanic compared with 23% for Florida. From what I can gather there is a higher prevalence of co-morbidities (e.g, diabetes) within the Hispanic community.
  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,568 Standard Supporter

    Yella has to account for the fact that Florida has a much older population...it’s basically people 75+ dying from this.

    Yeah, I would suspect higher percentage of really olds in FL is playing a role here.

    CA is also 40% Hispanic compared with 23% for Florida. From what I can gather there is a higher prevalence of co-morbidities (e.g, diabetes) within the Hispanic community.
    Also lots of Cuban's in Florida are largely of Spanish ancestry. Lots of Hispanics in Cali have lots of Indian blood. Indians have a genetic prevalence to develop diabetes in a high carb/sugar diet.
  • jecornel
    jecornel Member Posts: 9,737
    DREAD! GRIM! FUCK!

  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662

    Yella has to account for the fact that Florida has a much older population...it’s basically people 75+ dying from this.

    Yeah, I would suspect higher percentage of really olds in FL is playing a role here.

    CA is also 40% Hispanic compared with 23% for Florida. From what I can gather there is a higher prevalence of co-morbidities (e.g, diabetes) within the Hispanic community.
    Also lots of Cuban's in Florida are largely of Spanish ancestry. Lots of Hispanics in Cali have lots of Indian blood. Indians have a genetic prevalence to become communists.