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hardhat
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BREAKING: US House votes 228-164 to pass historic bill that would decriminalize cannabis and clear the way to erase nonviolent federal marijuana convictions; bill moves to US Senate.
I am in favor of this.
I am in favor of this.
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McConnell already said no-go from the Senate side.hardhat said:BREAKING: US House votes 228-164 to pass historic bill that would decriminalize cannabis and clear the way to erase nonviolent federal marijuana convictions; bill moves to US Senate.
I am in favor of this.
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Wait until JanuaryPurpleThrobber said:
McConnell already said no-go from the Senate side.hardhat said:BREAKING: US House votes 228-164 to pass historic bill that would decriminalize cannabis and clear the way to erase nonviolent federal marijuana convictions; bill moves to US Senate.
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all the fun of going out and scoring some weed is now gone. remember when it was cheaper when the mafia ran it instead of the government.
I used to always have 4 -5 plants growing out in the yard or on the deck in planters. let a couple go to seed for the next year or two.
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In Oregon you can legally have four plants.
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I'm not for this.
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Nice.
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Functionally, I don't see a lot of difference from booze and weed. For a lot of people the weed is better than being raging drunk. On the other hand lots of evidence that heavy weed usage makes some people paranoid and they then do paranoid things, like kill people. Weed isn't harmless for a many people.
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I ask this respectfully, why not? There seem to be a lot of positive outcomes, but I will not assume, presume,or pass judgment.Sledog said:I'm not for this.
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The only reason government wants marywanna legal and all the off shoot products, not to mention approved growers is to tax the shit out of it.
and once government is involved, greasing someone's palm.
Decriminalize is all the government should do, and let everyone who wants to grow their own. Better for the user, but the user is not a concern of the government -
The crime all around "legal" marijuana is staggering. If it's nationwide we really don't know what to expect. Millions more lazy hungry people aren't a good recipe though.hardhat said:
I ask this respectfully, why not? There seem to be a lot of positive outcomes, but I will not assume, presume,or pass judgment.Sledog said:I'm not for this.
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Would be interested in seeing the data for the staggering crime around legal weed.Sledog said:
The crime all around "legal" marijuana is staggering. If it's nationwide we really don't know what to expect. Millions more lazy hungry people aren't a good recipe though.hardhat said:
I ask this respectfully, why not? There seem to be a lot of positive outcomes, but I will not assume, presume,or pass judgment.Sledog said:I'm not for this.
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Most of it is financial based.Rubberfist said:
Would be interested in seeing the data for the staggering crime around legal weed.Sledog said:
The crime all around "legal" marijuana is staggering. If it's nationwide we really don't know what to expect. Millions more lazy hungry people aren't a good recipe though.hardhat said:
I ask this respectfully, why not? There seem to be a lot of positive outcomes, but I will not assume, presume,or pass judgment.Sledog said:I'm not for this.
Establishing banking relationships in the cannabis industry is funky. Washington has it pretty well figured out but that is only in-state and through credit unions. The bigger national and regional banks won't touch cannabis operations in fear of the Feds.
What then ends up happening is most of the entities operate on a cash-basis - which leads to all sorts of shit. Employees being paid in cash, not reporting payroll taxes/wages, vendors getting paid in cash off the books. All sorts of shenanigans.
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Lots of robberies, home invasions and really violent shenanigans too.PurpleThrobber said:
Most of it is financial based.Rubberfist said:
Would be interested in seeing the data for the staggering crime around legal weed.Sledog said:
The crime all around "legal" marijuana is staggering. If it's nationwide we really don't know what to expect. Millions more lazy hungry people aren't a good recipe though.hardhat said:
I ask this respectfully, why not? There seem to be a lot of positive outcomes, but I will not assume, presume,or pass judgment.Sledog said:I'm not for this.
Establishing banking relationships in the cannabis industry is funky. Washington has it pretty well figured out but that is only in-state and through credit unions. The bigger national and regional banks won't touch cannabis operations in fear of the Feds.
What then ends up happening is most of the entities operate on a cash-basis - which leads to all sorts of shit. Employees being paid in cash, not reporting payroll taxes/wages, vendors getting paid in cash off the books. All sorts of shenanigans. -
Mcconnell will fuck it all up because that's what that piece of shit does.
81% of the shenanigans created by the prohibition itself.PurpleThrobber said:
Most of it is financial based.Rubberfist said:
Would be interested in seeing the data for the staggering crime around legal weed.Sledog said:
The crime all around "legal" marijuana is staggering. If it's nationwide we really don't know what to expect. Millions more lazy hungry people aren't a good recipe though.hardhat said:
I ask this respectfully, why not? There seem to be a lot of positive outcomes, but I will not assume, presume,or pass judgment.Sledog said:I'm not for this.
Establishing banking relationships in the cannabis industry is funky. Washington has it pretty well figured out but that is only in-state and through credit unions. The bigger national and regional banks won't touch cannabis operations in fear of the Feds.
What then ends up happening is most of the entities operate on a cash-basis - which leads to all sorts of shit. Employees being paid in cash, not reporting payroll taxes/wages, vendors getting paid in cash off the books. All sorts of shenanigans.
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The cash causes that. If the banking was more accessible, it wouldn't be that big of an issue. Debit/credit cards make that problem go away in a second.Sledog said:
Lots of robberies, home invasions and really violent shenanigans too.PurpleThrobber said:
Most of it is financial based.Rubberfist said:
Would be interested in seeing the data for the staggering crime around legal weed.Sledog said:
The crime all around "legal" marijuana is staggering. If it's nationwide we really don't know what to expect. Millions more lazy hungry people aren't a good recipe though.hardhat said:
I ask this respectfully, why not? There seem to be a lot of positive outcomes, but I will not assume, presume,or pass judgment.Sledog said:I'm not for this.
Establishing banking relationships in the cannabis industry is funky. Washington has it pretty well figured out but that is only in-state and through credit unions. The bigger national and regional banks won't touch cannabis operations in fear of the Feds.
What then ends up happening is most of the entities operate on a cash-basis - which leads to all sorts of shit. Employees being paid in cash, not reporting payroll taxes/wages, vendors getting paid in cash off the books. All sorts of shenanigans.
Instead operators have massive amounts of cash stashed around.
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All cash business = money laundering opportunity
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Yep. Dippers do that anyway. No one wants to pay taxes especially drug dealers. What can you grow at your house and sell by the gram for good money besides weed? Control will be difficult. Just because you make it legal doesn't mean the problems are gone.PurpleThrobber said:
The cash causes that. If the banking was more accessible, it wouldn't be that big of an issue. Debit/credit cards make that problem go away in a second.Sledog said:
Lots of robberies, home invasions and really violent shenanigans too.PurpleThrobber said:
Most of it is financial based.Rubberfist said:
Would be interested in seeing the data for the staggering crime around legal weed.Sledog said:
The crime all around "legal" marijuana is staggering. If it's nationwide we really don't know what to expect. Millions more lazy hungry people aren't a good recipe though.hardhat said:
I ask this respectfully, why not? There seem to be a lot of positive outcomes, but I will not assume, presume,or pass judgment.Sledog said:I'm not for this.
Establishing banking relationships in the cannabis industry is funky. Washington has it pretty well figured out but that is only in-state and through credit unions. The bigger national and regional banks won't touch cannabis operations in fear of the Feds.
What then ends up happening is most of the entities operate on a cash-basis - which leads to all sorts of shit. Employees being paid in cash, not reporting payroll taxes/wages, vendors getting paid in cash off the books. All sorts of shenanigans.
Instead operators have massive amounts of cash stashed around.
Whatever is my stance. But boatloads of stoned lazy snowflakes made more useless and unable to pass any drug test anywhere doesn't make a great society. -
The problem isn't legalized weed. It is a culture that accepts stoned lazy snowflakes as a part of a functioning part of society. I have no problem with people who use weed or alcohol as productive functioning citizens. If you need to steal to support your problem, then I have a problem.Sledog said:
Yep. Dippers do that anyway. No one wants to pay taxes especially drug dealers. What can you grow at your house and sell by the gram for good money besides weed? Control will be difficult. Just because you make it legal doesn't mean the problems are gone.PurpleThrobber said:
The cash causes that. If the banking was more accessible, it wouldn't be that big of an issue. Debit/credit cards make that problem go away in a second.Sledog said:
Lots of robberies, home invasions and really violent shenanigans too.PurpleThrobber said:
Most of it is financial based.Rubberfist said:
Would be interested in seeing the data for the staggering crime around legal weed.Sledog said:
The crime all around "legal" marijuana is staggering. If it's nationwide we really don't know what to expect. Millions more lazy hungry people aren't a good recipe though.hardhat said:
I ask this respectfully, why not? There seem to be a lot of positive outcomes, but I will not assume, presume,or pass judgment.Sledog said:I'm not for this.
Establishing banking relationships in the cannabis industry is funky. Washington has it pretty well figured out but that is only in-state and through credit unions. The bigger national and regional banks won't touch cannabis operations in fear of the Feds.
What then ends up happening is most of the entities operate on a cash-basis - which leads to all sorts of shit. Employees being paid in cash, not reporting payroll taxes/wages, vendors getting paid in cash off the books. All sorts of shenanigans.
Instead operators have massive amounts of cash stashed around.
Whatever is my stance. But boatloads of stoned lazy snowflakes made more useless and unable to pass any drug test anywhere doesn't make a great society. -
I agree with this somewhat. The crime part is ridiculous, but the lazy part I think is certainly real. Legalizing would likely reduce crime in general(not counting DWIs where someone smashes their car into something at 5mph). The lazy part I think is real. It is not a drug that drives ambition in general unless you want to be a pro Xbox/Play Station athlete.Sledog said:
The crime all around "legal" marijuana is staggering. If it's nationwide we really don't know what to expect. Millions more lazy hungry people aren't a good recipe though.hardhat said:
I ask this respectfully, why not? There seem to be a lot of positive outcomes, but I will not assume, presume,or pass judgment.Sledog said:I'm not for this.
The weed has never been my drug of choice, but I've been to the lawless and sinful states of Washington and Oregon a couple times.
