This team doesn’t make any sense
Which makes our insistence of bashing our head against the wall on offense extremely weird. Especially 2nd and long runs. Using the quick game on early downs is a much better way of protecting DMO, is more efficient than running, and keeps you out of 3rd and long. You want to avoid 3rd down as much as possible. Coach K understands this, John Don does not.
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This is the smartest thing I have read...
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Football strategy isn’t hard. Coaches make it hard by being fucking stupid.DawgsCanDance said:This is the smartest thing I have read...
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It's like I said the other day, Lake wants an offense that can beat his defense. Butt his defense is wisely designed to beat the best offenses.
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He needs to realize most if not all college defensive schemes and/or DBs suck.dnc said:It's like I said the other day, Lake wants an offense that can beat his defense. Butt his defense is wisely designed to beat the best offenses.
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You can look to the NFL for exhibit A-Z. Some real dumbfuck coordinators in the league.backthepack said:
Football strategy isn’t hard. Coaches make it hard by being fucking stupid.DawgsCanDance said:This is the smartest thing I have read...
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It doesn’t matter until it does.HuskyJW said:3-0
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First half is hard to figure out. Had so few possessions and UW was trying to big dick the Utah defense, which they failed to do.
Also, had to to deal with DylMo's first INT which was basically the first offensive adversity of this season. Some shaky play after that.
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As I like to say “coaches are glorified PE teachers”LostDoogReward said:
You can look to the NFL for exhibit A-Z. Some real dumbfuck coordinators in the league.backthepack said:
Football strategy isn’t hard. Coaches make it hard by being fucking stupid.DawgsCanDance said:This is the smartest thing I have read...
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Did you see this one Twatter or are you channeling the ghost of Tom Landry?backthepack said:We cause inefficient play calling by using dime personnel as a base which entices teams to run the ball a lot.
Which makes our insistence of bashing our head against the wall on offense extremely weird. Especially 2nd and long runs. Using the quick game on early downs is a much better way of protecting DMO, is more efficient than running, and keeps you out of 3rd and long. You want to avoid 3rd down as much as possible. Coach K understands this, John Don does not. -
I know ball. I’ve really researched analytics, scheme/football strategies, and situational play calling during this whole quarantine.Swaye said:
Did you see this one Twatter or are you channeling the ghost of Tom Landry?backthepack said:We cause inefficient play calling by using dime personnel as a base which entices teams to run the ball a lot.
Which makes our insistence of bashing our head against the wall on offense extremely weird. Especially 2nd and long runs. Using the quick game on early downs is a much better way of protecting DMO, is more efficient than running, and keeps you out of 3rd and long. You want to avoid 3rd down as much as possible. Coach K understands this, John Don does not. -
Look at the passing vs rushing success rates, that’s why you want to pass about 60% percent of the time and about 66% on early downs. It’s hard. Then look at the passing down success rate on 3rd down, that’s exactly why you want to avoid 3rd downs at all cost. Playing to convert 3rd downs create an obvious advantage for the defense and unnecessary high leverage situations throughout the game. It’s especially FS to play this way with a R-FR QB, it’s still FS even if you have Russell Wilson/Patrick Mahomes. You protect your QB but going to the quick passing game on early downs.
Basically almost always your passing success rate is going to be a lot higher than your running success rate but this distribution is a little extreme considering we didn’t even pass the ball that well. We still passed well enough to blow the doors off of them if we threw 12-15 more times. Thank you for coming to my ted talk.
Note: for the retards that ignored the words below the table here is what success rate means
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Not sure I would put the playcalling "strategy" all on Donovan when the HC is the one walking around with a Run The Damn Ball hat at press conferences.
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Is a 19% rushing success rate good? Asking for a fren
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It goes hand and hand. It’s probably both of them. I think Dylan checked quite a few early down passes into runs. We have to stop with the short side runs into a stacked box it never works.BleachedAnusDawg said:Not sure I would put the playcalling "strategy" all on Donovan when the HC is the one walking around with a Run The Damn Ball hat at press conferences.
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Is 50% SR better than 19% SR? Axeing for a frenNeighbor2972 said:Is a 19% rushing success rate good? Asking for a fren
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Dylan is doing what he's coached to do or at least what he's allowed to do.backthepack said:
It goes hand and hand. It’s probably both of them. I always think Dylan checked quite a few early down passes into runs. Also we have to stop with the short side runs into a stacked it never works.BleachedAnusDawg said:Not sure I would put the playcalling "strategy" all on Donovan when the HC is the one walking around with a Run The Damn Ball hat at press conferences.
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100% that’s the coaching, I should have been more clear. That’s terrible terrible QB coaching. Especially when Utah was loading the box as much as they did.dnc said:
Dylan is doing what he's coached to do or at least what he's allowed to do.backthepack said:
It goes hand and hand. It’s probably both of them. I always think Dylan checked quite a few early down passes into runs. Also we have to stop with the short side runs into a stacked it never works.BleachedAnusDawg said:Not sure I would put the playcalling "strategy" all on Donovan when the HC is the one walking around with a Run The Damn Ball hat at press conferences.
It starts with Lake but obviously a better/more established OC might be able to persuade Lake his offensive strategy is FS.
He checked this run from the wide side to short side on this (kill kill)...
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Oh and for the run the ball crowd that are going to try to use Mike Leach as an exmaple. Mike refuses to run the ball ever, has run the same concepts out of the same formations for the past billion years, and he’s had some pretty shitty players. It makes it easy for DCs to drop 8 when they know your down by down tendency and for the players to recognize route concepts via presnap indicators like formation/splits etc. Joe Brady/Lincoln Riley/Andy Reid etc. have used rules/concepts stemming from leach but they have made it harder to defend via condensed formations, motions, mixing in the run, and by stretching his concepts vertically to press DBs downfield.
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I would posit that the bolded portion is the missing part. We? have suffered from this deficiency for so long. Opposing Ds run 8 men in the box, take away the run, and disrupt the short, quick passing game. Until we? connect deep (hello wide open Ty Jones), defenses will disrupt our O. Seen this script for years now. Just like our 2 DL, bend don’t break defense, always gives up copious amounts of rushing yards especially against quality opponents. For that matter, substituting in freshman Cooper MacDonald and getting the ball stuffed in his face for two huge back to back plays is another example of things we? do that are aggravating (see freshman Tevis Bartlett in at SAM against ‘Bama leading to a TD and effectively losing the game after holding ‘Bama tight).backthepack said:Oh and for the run the ball crowd that are going to try to use Mike Leach as an exmaple. Mike refuses to run the ball ever, has run the same concepts out of the same formations for the past billion years, and he’s had some pretty shitty players. It makes it easy for DCs to drop 8 when they know your down by down tendency and for the players to recognize route concepts via presnap indicators like formation/splits etc. Joe Brady/Lincoln Riley/Andy Reid etc. have used rules/concepts stemming from leach but they have made it harder to defend via condensed formations, motions, mixing in the run, and by stretching his concepts vertically to press DBs downfield.
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I’m fine with the defensive strategy as I detailed earlier. They entice teams to run on early downs and trust the front 6/7 to get their fits. Honestly I think the inability to push the ball down the field is a recruiting issue but I do think Morris has the ability to push the ball. He’s just over correctingAEB said:
I would posit that the bolded portion is the missing part. We? have suffered from this deficiency for so long. Opposing Ds run 8 men in the box, take away the run, and disrupt the short, quick passing game. Until we? connect deep (hello wide open Ty Jones), defenses will disrupt our O. Seen this script for years now. Just like our 2 DL, bend don’t break defense, always gives up copious amounts of rushing yards especially against quality opponents. For that matter, substituting in freshman Cooper MacDonald and getting the ball stuffed in his face for two huge back to back plays is another example of things we? do that are aggravating (see freshman Tevis Bartlett in at SAM against ‘Bama leading to a TD and effectively losing the game after holding ‘Bama tight).backthepack said:Oh and for the run the ball crowd that are going to try to use Mike Leach as an exmaple. Mike refuses to run the ball ever, has run the same concepts out of the same formations for the past billion years, and he’s had some pretty shitty players. It makes it easy for DCs to drop 8 when they know your down by down tendency and for the players to recognize route concepts via presnap indicators like formation/splits etc. Joe Brady/Lincoln Riley/Andy Reid etc. have used rules/concepts stemming from leach but they have made it harder to defend via condensed formations, motions, mixing in the run, and by stretching his concepts vertically to press DBs downfield.
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Thanks DDYbackthepack said:
As I like to say “coaches are glorified PE teachers”LostDoogReward said:
You can look to the NFL for exhibit A-Z. Some real dumbfuck coordinators in the league.backthepack said:
Football strategy isn’t hard. Coaches make it hard by being fucking stupid.DawgsCanDance said:This is the smartest thing I have read...
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The Utes 2nd and 3rd TD’s were so fucking irritating. For the 2nd, Ulo was out when Utah broke the long run inside in the 5. Never take him out. If you want someone else to play, Sirmon comes out.
A MLB can play every down and do for many schools as well as teams in the NFL. Ulo is too important to not have okay every down in a close game.
The third TD had the bullshit call against ZTF, but you can’t give up 6 right there. Need to be stout and at least hold them to 3. Bad coverage by Cook on the TD.
Cook gave up snaps to Williams in the 2nd half, but Williams was fucking up too. He did look more decisive and active then he had in the past. Turner is a huge pussy and needs to be challenged. I’m not very pleased with the play at safety. -
This might your most intelligent thread since you joined HH. It's a low bar but I'm still proud of you.backthepack said:
I’m fine with the defensive strategy as I detailed earlier. They entice teams to run on early downs and trust the front 6/7 to get their fits. Honestly I think the inability to push the ball down the field is a recruiting issue but I do think Morris has the ability to push the ball. He’s just over correctingAEB said:
I would posit that the bolded portion is the missing part. We? have suffered from this deficiency for so long. Opposing Ds run 8 men in the box, take away the run, and disrupt the short, quick passing game. Until we? connect deep (hello wide open Ty Jones), defenses will disrupt our O. Seen this script for years now. Just like our 2 DL, bend don’t break defense, always gives up copious amounts of rushing yards especially against quality opponents. For that matter, substituting in freshman Cooper MacDonald and getting the ball stuffed in his face for two huge back to back plays is another example of things we? do that are aggravating (see freshman Tevis Bartlett in at SAM against ‘Bama leading to a TD and effectively losing the game after holding ‘Bama tight).backthepack said:Oh and for the run the ball crowd that are going to try to use Mike Leach as an exmaple. Mike refuses to run the ball ever, has run the same concepts out of the same formations for the past billion years, and he’s had some pretty shitty players. It makes it easy for DCs to drop 8 when they know your down by down tendency and for the players to recognize route concepts via presnap indicators like formation/splits etc. Joe Brady/Lincoln Riley/Andy Reid etc. have used rules/concepts stemming from leach but they have made it harder to defend via condensed formations, motions, mixing in the run, and by stretching his concepts vertically to press DBs downfield.
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What?CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:
Thanks DDYbackthepack said:
As I like to say “coaches are glorified PE teachers”LostDoogReward said:
You can look to the NFL for exhibit A-Z. Some real dumbfuck coordinators in the league.backthepack said:
Football strategy isn’t hard. Coaches make it hard by being fucking stupid.DawgsCanDance said:This is the smartest thing I have read...
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It turns out when I’m SERIOUS, not 16-19 years old and not trolling, I’m actually not retarded.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:
This might your most intelligent thread since you joined HH. It's a low bar but I'm still proud of you.backthepack said:
I’m fine with the defensive strategy as I detailed earlier. They entice teams to run on early downs and trust the front 6/7 to get their fits. Honestly I think the inability to push the ball down the field is a recruiting issue but I do think Morris has the ability to push the ball. He’s just over correctingAEB said:
I would posit that the bolded portion is the missing part. We? have suffered from this deficiency for so long. Opposing Ds run 8 men in the box, take away the run, and disrupt the short, quick passing game. Until we? connect deep (hello wide open Ty Jones), defenses will disrupt our O. Seen this script for years now. Just like our 2 DL, bend don’t break defense, always gives up copious amounts of rushing yards especially against quality opponents. For that matter, substituting in freshman Cooper MacDonald and getting the ball stuffed in his face for two huge back to back plays is another example of things we? do that are aggravating (see freshman Tevis Bartlett in at SAM against ‘Bama leading to a TD and effectively losing the game after holding ‘Bama tight).backthepack said:Oh and for the run the ball crowd that are going to try to use Mike Leach as an exmaple. Mike refuses to run the ball ever, has run the same concepts out of the same formations for the past billion years, and he’s had some pretty shitty players. It makes it easy for DCs to drop 8 when they know your down by down tendency and for the players to recognize route concepts via presnap indicators like formation/splits etc. Joe Brady/Lincoln Riley/Andy Reid etc. have used rules/concepts stemming from leach but they have made it harder to defend via condensed formations, motions, mixing in the run, and by stretching his concepts vertically to press DBs downfield.
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The substituting patterns have been frustrating for years. Clearly, they have a script they stick to. The one major adjustment I’ve seen is when they played Elijah Qualls at SAM against Bama and we got stouter up front. Then you sub Tevis. Ouch. You don’t take Ulo out. You don’t do that.RoadDawg55 said:The Utes 2nd and 3rd TD’s were so fucking irritating. For the 2nd, Ulo was out when Utah broke the long run inside in the 5. Never take him out. If you want someone else to play, Sirmon comes out.
A MLB can play every down and do for many schools as well as teams in the NFL. Ulo is too important to not have okay every down in a close game.
The third TD had the bullshit call against ZTF, but you can’t give up 6 right there. Need to be stout and at least hold them to 3. Bad coverage by Cook on the TD.
Cook gave up snaps to Williams in the 2nd half, but Williams was fucking up too. He did look more decisive and active then he had in the past. Turner is a huge pussy and needs to be challenged. I’m not very pleased with the play at safety. -
BTP is SERIOUS about poasting now?backthepack said:
It turns out when I’m SERIOUS, not 16-19 years old and not trolling, I’m actually not retarded.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:
This might your most intelligent thread since you joined HH. It's a low bar but I'm still proud of you.backthepack said:
I’m fine with the defensive strategy as I detailed earlier. They entice teams to run on early downs and trust the front 6/7 to get their fits. Honestly I think the inability to push the ball down the field is a recruiting issue but I do think Morris has the ability to push the ball. He’s just over correctingAEB said:
I would posit that the bolded portion is the missing part. We? have suffered from this deficiency for so long. Opposing Ds run 8 men in the box, take away the run, and disrupt the short, quick passing game. Until we? connect deep (hello wide open Ty Jones), defenses will disrupt our O. Seen this script for years now. Just like our 2 DL, bend don’t break defense, always gives up copious amounts of rushing yards especially against quality opponents. For that matter, substituting in freshman Cooper MacDonald and getting the ball stuffed in his face for two huge back to back plays is another example of things we? do that are aggravating (see freshman Tevis Bartlett in at SAM against ‘Bama leading to a TD and effectively losing the game after holding ‘Bama tight).backthepack said:Oh and for the run the ball crowd that are going to try to use Mike Leach as an exmaple. Mike refuses to run the ball ever, has run the same concepts out of the same formations for the past billion years, and he’s had some pretty shitty players. It makes it easy for DCs to drop 8 when they know your down by down tendency and for the players to recognize route concepts via presnap indicators like formation/splits etc. Joe Brady/Lincoln Riley/Andy Reid etc. have used rules/concepts stemming from leach but they have made it harder to defend via condensed formations, motions, mixing in the run, and by stretching his concepts vertically to press DBs downfield.
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Cam just got back from an injury lat week. He is better in coverage than Cook. He’ll be better at tackling. Turner looks like a strong safety but in actually he’s our centerfielder. He is good in coverage but don’t expect any big hits or huge plays down at the LOS until 2021-2022. HeRoadDawg55 said:The Utes 2nd and 3rd TD’s were so fucking irritating. For the 2nd, Ulo was out when Utah broke the long run inside in the 5. Never take him out. If you want someone else to play, Sirmon comes out.
A MLB can play every down and do for many schools as well as teams in the NFL. Ulo is too important to not have okay every down in a close game.
The third TD had the bullshit call against ZTF, but you can’t give up 6 right there. Need to be stout and at least hold them to 3. Bad coverage by Cook on the TD.
Cook gave up snaps to Williams in the 2nd half, but Williams was fucking up too. He did look more decisive and active then he had in the past. Turner is a huge pussy and needs to be challenged. I’m not very pleased with the play at safety. -
I’m a SERIOUS poaster.whlinder said:
BTP is SERIOUS about poasting now?backthepack said:
It turns out when I’m SERIOUS, not 16-19 years old and not trolling, I’m actually not retarded.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:
This might your most intelligent thread since you joined HH. It's a low bar but I'm still proud of you.backthepack said:
I’m fine with the defensive strategy as I detailed earlier. They entice teams to run on early downs and trust the front 6/7 to get their fits. Honestly I think the inability to push the ball down the field is a recruiting issue but I do think Morris has the ability to push the ball. He’s just over correctingAEB said:
I would posit that the bolded portion is the missing part. We? have suffered from this deficiency for so long. Opposing Ds run 8 men in the box, take away the run, and disrupt the short, quick passing game. Until we? connect deep (hello wide open Ty Jones), defenses will disrupt our O. Seen this script for years now. Just like our 2 DL, bend don’t break defense, always gives up copious amounts of rushing yards especially against quality opponents. For that matter, substituting in freshman Cooper MacDonald and getting the ball stuffed in his face for two huge back to back plays is another example of things we? do that are aggravating (see freshman Tevis Bartlett in at SAM against ‘Bama leading to a TD and effectively losing the game after holding ‘Bama tight).backthepack said:Oh and for the run the ball crowd that are going to try to use Mike Leach as an exmaple. Mike refuses to run the ball ever, has run the same concepts out of the same formations for the past billion years, and he’s had some pretty shitty players. It makes it easy for DCs to drop 8 when they know your down by down tendency and for the players to recognize route concepts via presnap indicators like formation/splits etc. Joe Brady/Lincoln Riley/Andy Reid etc. have used rules/concepts stemming from leach but they have made it harder to defend via condensed formations, motions, mixing in the run, and by stretching his concepts vertically to press DBs downfield.
