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A DHS agency said America’s elections were secure. So Trump fired its leader.

insinceredawg
insinceredawg Member Posts: 5,117
https://www.vox.com/2020/11/18/21573119/chris-krebs-trump-fired-dhs-cisa-election-security

President Donald Trump fired Chris Krebs, who led the Homeland Security Department’s Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA), on Tuesday evening — days after the agency, which is in charge of protecting elections, called the 2020 presidential election “the most secure in American history.”

Trump did so because the agency’s — and Krebs’s personal — defense of the integrity of the elections punctures Trump’s baseless claim that the election was stolen from him.

CISA’s statement rebutted many of the conspiracy theories Trump has used to claim there was some sort of wrongdoing, and said, in part, “While we know there are many unfounded claims and opportunities for misinformation about the process of our elections, we can assure you we have the utmost confidence in the security and integrity of our elections, and you should too.”

On Tuesday evening, Trump dismissed Krebs in a tweet, falsely calling the statement “highly inaccurate” and claiming that because of that, “effective immediately,” Krebs “has been terminated” as CISA direc
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,884 Founders Club
    I think you're smarter than you appear here so please answer this - when did American elections get secure? 2016 wasn't. It was in all the papers. And Trump refused to do anything about it. Also widely reported.

    So how did this happen?
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,762 Standard Supporter

    https://www.vox.com/2020/11/18/21573119/chris-krebs-trump-fired-dhs-cisa-election-security

    President Donald Trump fired Chris Krebs, who led the Homeland Security Department’s Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA), on Tuesday evening — days after the agency, which is in charge of protecting elections, called the 2020 presidential election “the most secure in American history.”

    Trump did so because the agency’s — and Krebs’s personal — defense of the integrity of the elections punctures Trump’s baseless claim that the election was stolen from him.

    CISA’s statement rebutted many of the conspiracy theories Trump has used to claim there was some sort of wrongdoing, and said, in part, “While we know there are many unfounded claims and opportunities for misinformation about the process of our elections, we can assure you we have the utmost confidence in the security and integrity of our elections, and you should too.”

    On Tuesday evening, Trump dismissed Krebs in a tweet, falsely calling the statement “highly inaccurate” and claiming that because of that, “effective immediately,” Krebs “has been terminated” as CISA direc

    The statement referred to outside the US interference not in house cheating. They did not monitor Dominion.
  • insinceredawg
    insinceredawg Member Posts: 5,117
    I find it hilarious that this board always takes the word of a pathological liar over professionals who are just doing their job. Do you think Trump would be screaming about voter fraud if he had won?
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,762 Standard Supporter

    I find it hilarious that this board always takes the word of a pathological liar over professionals who are just doing their job. Do you think Trump would be screaming about voter fraud if he had won?

    There are no professionals left. It's all one side or the other the same with the courts. That you don't see it is funny.
  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,569 Standard Supporter

    I find it hilarious that this board always takes the word of a pathological liar over professionals who are just doing their job. Do you think Trump would be screaming about voter fraud if he had won?

    I find it sad that you support election fraud and lying. Must be the new civics. Keep rooting for the away team.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    I find it hilarious that this board always takes the word of a pathological liar over professionals who are just doing their job. Do you think Trump would be screaming about voter fraud if he had won?

    I love when a pathological liar calls someone else a pathological liar.
  • insinceredawg
    insinceredawg Member Posts: 5,117
    edited November 2020
    Sledog said:

    I find it hilarious that this board always takes the word of a pathological liar over professionals who are just doing their job. Do you think Trump would be screaming about voter fraud if he had won?

    There are no professionals left. It's all one side or the other the same with the courts. That you don't see it is funny.
    There are 2 sides. The truth and misinformation/lies. Trump is the king of the latter because he knows his braindead supporters will believe every tin foil hat conspiracy theory he tweets out. From skimming this board over the last two weeks since he got his ass kicked, it appears he is right for once.
  • insinceredawg
    insinceredawg Member Posts: 5,117
    SFGbob said:

    I find it hilarious that this board always takes the word of a pathological liar over professionals who are just doing their job. Do you think Trump would be screaming about voter fraud if he had won?

    I love when a pathological liar calls someone else a pathological liar.
    Oh great, Gay Bob is back. Please tell me about all the voter fraud that helped Biden steal the election.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,884 Founders Club

    I think you're smarter than you appear here so please answer this - when did American elections get secure? 2016 wasn't. It was in all the papers. And Trump refused to do anything about it. Also widely reported.

    So how did this happen?

    bump
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898
    Sledog said:

    https://www.vox.com/2020/11/18/21573119/chris-krebs-trump-fired-dhs-cisa-election-security

    President Donald Trump fired Chris Krebs, who led the Homeland Security Department’s Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA), on Tuesday evening — days after the agency, which is in charge of protecting elections, called the 2020 presidential election “the most secure in American history.”

    Trump did so because the agency’s — and Krebs’s personal — defense of the integrity of the elections punctures Trump’s baseless claim that the election was stolen from him.

    CISA’s statement rebutted many of the conspiracy theories Trump has used to claim there was some sort of wrongdoing, and said, in part, “While we know there are many unfounded claims and opportunities for misinformation about the process of our elections, we can assure you we have the utmost confidence in the security and integrity of our elections, and you should too.”

    On Tuesday evening, Trump dismissed Krebs in a tweet, falsely calling the statement “highly inaccurate” and claiming that because of that, “effective immediately,” Krebs “has been terminated” as CISA direc

    The statement referred to outside the US interference not in house cheating. They did not monitor Dominion.
    Some of our deeper thinkers remain loyal to Dear Leader.

  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,884 Founders Club
    Bush stole Florida

    Diebold was 2004 when Kerry had the election stolen. The networks went crazy with exit polling that day showing an easy Kerry win.

    Just a couple years ago a super model had the governorship of Georgia stolen from her with Dominion the culprit
  • NorthwestFresh
    NorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972
    edited November 2020
    This guy had zero to do with overseeing vote counts at a local level. It was an irresponsible lie by him, yet @insinceredawg is upset with Trump for firing this guy who gave, at best, a very misleading statement on election security designed to fool dumb people. Worked on ID, of course.
  • insinceredawg
    insinceredawg Member Posts: 5,117

    Sledog said:

    I find it hilarious that this board always takes the word of a pathological liar over professionals who are just doing their job. Do you think Trump would be screaming about voter fraud if he had won?

    There are no professionals left. It's all one side or the other the same with the courts. That you don't see it is funny.
    There are 2 sides. The truth and misinformation/lies. Trump is the king of the latter because he knows his braindead supporters will believe every tin foil hat conspiracy theory he tweets out. From skimming this board over the last two weeks since he got his ass kicked, it appears he is right for once.
    I am well weary of this. However, back atcha


    h/t @HoustonHusky
    Not the same. Yes there have been hot takes from the left but that doesn't normalize what Trump is doing. He is refusing to concede and commence the transfer of power solely out of spite and his fragile ego that is too humiliated to admit he lost. His legal team is getting shit on in the courts and there's been essentially no evidence of widespread voter fraud, at least to the extent that would overturn any of the races.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,884 Founders Club
    edited November 2020
    And Hillary still says Trump stole the election.

    Al Gore conceded in December. Whats the rush?
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,884 Founders Club
    https://theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/11/georgia-governor-kemp-abrams/575095/


    Brian Kemp’s Lead in Georgia Needs an Asterisk
    If the governor’s race had taken place in another country, the State Department would have questioned its legitimacy.

    NOVEMBER 7, 2018


    So when did Georgia become secure? Any thoughts?????


    The Democrat Stacey Abrams, a black woman, made a valiant effort to win the governor’s race in Georgia, one of the original 13 states, whose commitment to human bondage ensured that the U.S. Constitution would treat slavery with kid gloves. A state that was part of the Confederacy. A state scorched by Union General William Tecumseh Sherman in the Civil War. A state that refused to accept the outcome of that war, treating its black residents as second-class citizens—if that—until the federal government forced its hand, a century later, with the Voting Rights Act. She tried to write a new narrative for this state.

    Although Abrams has not yet conceded, citing uncounted ballots, it looks as though the other side has won, and the narrative is the same as ever. Abrams didn’t have to fight just an electoral campaign; she had to fight a civil-rights campaign against the forces of voter suppression.

    Indeed, I can’t quite bring myself to say that Abrams “lost,” because there’s an asterisk next to her Republican opponent’s victory.



    Brian Kemp, who billed himself as a “Trump conservative,” refused to step aside as Georgia’s secretary of state; he ran for governor of a state while overseeing the elections in that state. Former President Jimmy Carter, a Georgian with much experience monitoring elections abroad, stressed that this conflict of interest ran “counter to the most fundamental principle of democratic elections—that the electoral process be managed by an independent and impartial election authority.”
  • insinceredawg
    insinceredawg Member Posts: 5,117

    And Hillary still says Trump stole the election.

    Al Gore conceited in December. Whats the rush?

    Hillary conceded and Obama invited Trump to the WH within days of the election to start the transfer of power.

    Gore didn't concede because it was down to one state that was separated by hundreds of votes. Trump would need to overturn at least 2 states where he's down by over 10k. Not gonna happen.
  • LebamDawg
    LebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,787 Swaye's Wigwam
    @insecuredawg
    this board always takes the word of a pathological liar over professionals

    We never believe you
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,884 Founders Club

    And Hillary still says Trump stole the election.

    Al Gore conceited in December. Whats the rush?

    Hillary conceded and Obama invited Trump to the WH within days of the election to start the transfer of power.

    Gore didn't concede because it was down to one state that was separated by hundreds of votes. Trump would need to overturn at least 2 states where he's down by over 10k. Not gonna happen.
    That's probably true but Gore still waited way longer and the republic survived and the media cheered him on

    Hillary conceded but says to this day it was stolen. That's a fact
  • NorthwestFresh
    NorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972

    Sledog said:

    I find it hilarious that this board always takes the word of a pathological liar over professionals who are just doing their job. Do you think Trump would be screaming about voter fraud if he had won?

    There are no professionals left. It's all one side or the other the same with the courts. That you don't see it is funny.
    There are 2 sides. The truth and misinformation/lies. Trump is the king of the latter because he knows his braindead supporters will believe every tin foil hat conspiracy theory he tweets out. From skimming this board over the last two weeks since he got his ass kicked, it appears he is right for once.
    I am well weary of this. However, back atcha


    h/t @HoustonHusky
    Not the same. Yes there have been hot takes from the left but that doesn't normalize what Trump is doing. He is refusing to concede and commence the transfer of power solely out of spite and his fragile ego that is too humiliated to admit he lost. His legal team is getting shit on in the courts and there's been essentially no evidence of widespread voter fraud, at least to the extent that would overturn any of the races.
    As 9000 fake votes for Biden are subtracted from the total in DeKalb County, GA.

    What are you all hiding? You dipshits spent 3 years on Russian Collusion with zero evidence supporting it. As we say, go fuck yourself, retard.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,884 Founders Club
    Oh and Obama also unleashed the CIA and FBI on the Trump transition but still
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898

    And Hillary still says Trump stole the election.

    Al Gore conceded in December. Whats the rush?

    I never said Trump stole the election. Hilary isn't here. You should call her.

    Al Gore's case presented a defined issues and Bill Clinton didn't embark on a revenge tour to sow the ground with salt while it was pending.
  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,569 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    And Hillary still says Trump stole the election.

    Al Gore conceded in December. Whats the rush?

    I never said Trump stole the election. Hilary isn't here. You should call her.

    Al Gore's case presented a defined issues and Bill Clinton didn't embark on a revenge tour to sow the ground with salt while it was pending.
    You still say that Trump colluded with the Russians. Go phuck yourself.
  • insinceredawg
    insinceredawg Member Posts: 5,117

    And Hillary still says Trump stole the election.

    Al Gore conceited in December. Whats the rush?

    Hillary conceded and Obama invited Trump to the WH within days of the election to start the transfer of power.

    Gore didn't concede because it was down to one state that was separated by hundreds of votes. Trump would need to overturn at least 2 states where he's down by over 10k. Not gonna happen.
    That's probably true but Gore still waited way longer and the republic survived and the media cheered him on

    Hillary conceded but says to this day it was stolen. That's a fact
    The delay in the transition to Bush may have opened up blindspots that made us susceptible to 9/11.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/former-white-house-chief-of-staff-andy-card-warns-about-delayed-transition/

    Andrew Card, who served as chief of staff under former President George W. Bush, warned Thursday on CBSN that a delayed presidential transition could seriously harm national security and already is tarnishing America's reputation as a leader of the free world.

    Card authored a Washington Post op-ed along with Clinton-era White House chief of staff John Podesta, warning of the risks of a delayed transition, which is taking place now as President Trump declines to pass the baton to President-elect Joe Biden. Card and Podesta worked together during the Clinton-Bush transition, which was delayed due to the contested 2000 election, and that delay, he said, had consequences.

    "We learned a valuable lesson," Card told CBSN. "Obviously, the year 2001, after George Bush became president included September 11th, 2001, and the attacks on the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and that plane that crashed in Shanksville, Pennsylvania. The 9/11 Commission, when they reviewed everything that had happened up and to that attack and what contributed to it, they actually cited that the transition should have been allowed to have more time and more information shared with the incoming president so that he could be prepared."
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    SFGbob said:

    I find it hilarious that this board always takes the word of a pathological liar over professionals who are just doing their job. Do you think Trump would be screaming about voter fraud if he had won?

    I love when a pathological liar calls someone else a pathological liar.
    Oh great, Gay Bob is back. Please tell me about all the voter fraud that helped Biden steal the election.
    Tell me about why a lying piece of shit like yourself who claimed I pushed the Pizzagate story is now pretending to be all upset about someone else lying? Btw, if you really disliked lying have you bothered to checkout Biden's history?
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,884 Founders Club
    edited November 2020
    Clinton not taking custody of Bin Laden led to 911 but ok. And at the time Bush Knew was all the rage. The internet is hell on the left rewriting history
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,898

    HHusky said:

    And Hillary still says Trump stole the election.

    Al Gore conceded in December. Whats the rush?

    I never said Trump stole the election. Hilary isn't here. You should call her.

    Al Gore's case presented a defined issues and Bill Clinton didn't embark on a revenge tour to sow the ground with salt while it was pending.
    You still say that Trump colluded with the Russians. Go phuck yourself.
    He did and he sought to. It was right out there in the open.
  • insinceredawg
    insinceredawg Member Posts: 5,117

    HHusky said:

    And Hillary still says Trump stole the election.

    Al Gore conceded in December. Whats the rush?

    I never said Trump stole the election. Hilary isn't here. You should call her.

    Al Gore's case presented a defined issues and Bill Clinton didn't embark on a revenge tour to sow the ground with salt while it was pending.
    You still say that Trump colluded with the Russians. Go phuck yourself.
    It's okay to swear on here pussy. Go fuck yourself.