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Top 20 would be auce!!!!!TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The coaching and recruiting is enough to get to the top 20 or so. The recruits aren't top 10 level (nowhere close, in fact) and the coaching is not significantly above average.HeretoBeatmyChest said:
I gave you the evidence.....coaching (improved D's at every stop-includes Tennessee) plus improved recruiting. Wilcox has never had great talent to work with but with this recruiting staff the D talent in the pipeline is already quite good. If we win 9+ games than the pipeline will grow stronger. I do think this staff if it stays together for another 2 years can build a top 10 defense nationally.TierbsHsotBoobs said:"This D staff can build a championship defense because Wilcox is very good and Tosh and Sirmon can recruit. And Sirmon and Heyward did quite well at their positions in year one."
Where is the evidence to back this statement?
The two years at Tennessee seem to directly contradict the statement.
Hope this helps.
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So going from over 100th to 34th then to top 20......sounds pretty damn good to me. Not significantly above average? Apparently you'd rather engage in a lemon party then be forced to admit anything factually positive about UW. The D recruits since Tosh & Sirmon arrived are top 15 level. Never said they were top 10, but if UW has tangible improvement this year and next, they should be able to get top 10 recruits on defense.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The coaching and recruiting is enough to get to the top 20 or so. The recruits aren't top 10 level (nowhere close, in fact) and the coaching is not significantly above average.HeretoBeatmyChest said:
I gave you the evidence.....coaching (improved D's at every stop-includes Tennessee) plus improved recruiting. Wilcox has never had great talent to work with but with this recruiting staff the D talent in the pipeline is already quite good. If we win 9+ games than the pipeline will grow stronger. I do think this staff if it stays together for another 2 years can build a top 10 defense nationally.TierbsHsotBoobs said:"This D staff can build a championship defense because Wilcox is very good and Tosh and Sirmon can recruit. And Sirmon and Heyward did quite well at their positions in year one."
Where is the evidence to back this statement?
The two years at Tennessee seem to directly contradict the statement.
Hope this helps.
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The facts say so. Where everyone is wrong is that Sark is not a good recruiter. Yes, on paper the rankings say the classes don't look much different but since Tosh & Sirmon arrived the average stars per player are much higher and the 10-20th best recruits are far far better than they were before.MikeDamone said:
Improved recruiting? Everyone says so.HeretoBeatmyChest said:
I gave you the evidence.....coaching (improved D's at every stop-includes Tennessee) plus improved recruiting. Wilcox has never had great talent to work with but with this recruiting staff the D talent in the pipeline is already quite good. If we win 9+ games than the pipeline will grow stronger. I do think this staff if it stays together for another 2 years can build a top 10 defense nationally.TierbsHsotBoobs said:"This D staff can build a championship defense because Wilcox is very good and Tosh and Sirmon can recruit. And Sirmon and Heyward did quite well at their positions in year one."
Where is the evidence to back this statement?
The two years at Tennessee seem to directly contradict the statement. -
UW didn't have 100th place defensive talent in 2011, just like it didn't have 0-12 talent in 2008.
Your scenario seems like something that happens if everything goes right. It's possible, but not very realistic. If Wilcox was THAT good, his defenses at Tennessee wouldn't have been so bad. -
That's how I feel too. Although with our fucktarded fans if you don't praise a guy right off the bat then you are a nega who obviously hates the coach. With Wilcox I liked what I saw last year but there was some terrible moments as well. I just want to see how does after a few years before I praise him.MikeDamone said:
WHAT??!!! I was hearing he should be the head coach. Plus he did miracles at BSU and Tennessee.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Yes like fans were quick to praise Holt and his defense for playing "great" down the stretch in 2010. For those who remember we faced a ton of backup QB's during that "magical" 4 game win streak.IrishDawg22 said:Too many people are point to the defensive improvement as their reason for hope. Problem is the best defensive games came against teams playing with struggling QBs.
I think Wilcox has potential, but even his D has not proven it can even SLOW down the spread attacks.
And that is a scary thoughts with the offensive minded coaches in this league.
Just like this past year we faced some downright shitty ass QB's. Whenever we faced a decent(not great) QB he typically had his way with our defense. Every team ran the ball on us even Portland State.
We still gave up some ugly numbers to Oregon, LSU and Arizona. Why I'm going to "let it play out" before I praise Wilcox as the savior.
I've had the debate many times. Please stop with the Wilcox is the "greatest coach in America" shit. Maybe he is, maybe not. Yes, the D improved. And yes they took it up the ass in several games as well. I'm not going to go all Passion and say he needs to win a Championship before I say he is great coach, but maybe a couple of seasons of improvement and consistency would be nice to see first.
I was stunned when iDawg(RIP) suggested he should be our head coach then Race quickly jumped all over that during their rare Podcast(RIP) appearance. -
Looks like heretobeatmychest really deserves another 0-12 as he learned nothing from the last one.
Seriously you sound like those Sark fags($75,000) on DM.C after 2009.
We aren't bashing Wilcox but just saying let it play it out. Also comparing him to Holt is like those Sark fags(Another $75,000) claiming Sark is great then comparing him to Ty. -
Its a realistic scenario. Wilcox's D's have improved everywhere he's been. He won't be limited by talent like at his last stops and as long as we win 9+ games this year this class will be just as good as last years. The defensive recruits they've brought in are better than the guys they currently have. IDoog is right.TierbsHsotBoobs said:UW didn't have 100th place defensive talent in 2011, just like it didn't have 0-12 talent in 2008.
Your scenario seems like something that happens if everything goes right. It's possible, but not very realistic. If Wilcox was THAT good, his defenses at Tennessee wouldn't have been so bad.
Vatuvei- USC offer
Shaq- top 5 recruit
Mathis- USC, UCLA, Alabama offers
Qualls- USC, UCLA offers
Kelly- UCLA offer
O Brien- UO offer
Constantine- UCLA, UO offer s
Farria- ND offer
Walker- MS, MSst, Ok St, ASU offers
Enwally- UCLA, Cal offers -
Here's a hint. Recruiting has never been a problem. Even during Ty's era recruiting wasn't awful.HeretoBeatmyChest said:
Its a realistic scenario. Wilcox's D's have improved everywhere he's been. He won't be limited by talent like at his last stops and as long as we win 9+ games this year this class will be just as good as last years. The defensive recruits they've brought in are better than the guys they currently have. IDoog is right.TierbsHsotBoobs said:UW didn't have 100th place defensive talent in 2011, just like it didn't have 0-12 talent in 2008.
Your scenario seems like something that happens if everything goes right. It's possible, but not very realistic. If Wilcox was THAT good, his defenses at Tennessee wouldn't have been so bad.
Vatuvei- USC offer
Shaq- top 5 recruit
Mathis- USC, UCLA, Alabama offers
Qualls- USC, UCLA offers
Kelly- UCLA offer
O Brien- UO offer
Constantine- UCLA, UO offer s
Farria- ND offer
Walker- MS, MSst, Ok St, ASU offers
Enwally- UCLA, Cal offers
Can these coaches develop the players they have? Is Wilcox basically the Sark of DC which means he puts out some good performances but also lays some eggs. -
But I was told earlier in this thread that UCLA was terrible on defense...HeretoBeatmyChest said:
Its a realistic scenario. Wilcox's D's have improved everywhere he's been. He won't be limited by talent like at his last stops and as long as we win 9+ games this year this class will be just as good as last years. The defensive recruits they've brought in are better than the guys they currently have. IDoog is right.TierbsHsotBoobs said:UW didn't have 100th place defensive talent in 2011, just like it didn't have 0-12 talent in 2008.
Your scenario seems like something that happens if everything goes right. It's possible, but not very realistic. If Wilcox was THAT good, his defenses at Tennessee wouldn't have been so bad.
Vatuvei- USC offer
Shaq- top 5 recruit
Mathis- USC, UCLA, Alabama offers
Qualls- USC, UCLA offers
Kelly- UCLA offer
O Brien- UO offer
Constantine- UCLA, UO offer s
Farria- ND offer
Walker- MS, MSst, Ok St, ASU offers
Enwally- UCLA, Cal offers -
Um..they haven't been in the top 20. HthHeretoBeatmyChest said:
So going from over 100th to 34th then to top 20......sounds pretty damn good to me. Not significantly above average? Apparently you'd rather engage in a lemon party then be forced to admit anything factually positive about UW. The D recruits since Tosh & Sirmon arrived are top 15 level. Never said they were top 10, but if UW has tangible improvement this year and next, they should be able to get top 10 recruits on defense.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The coaching and recruiting is enough to get to the top 20 or so. The recruits aren't top 10 level (nowhere close, in fact) and the coaching is not significantly above average.HeretoBeatmyChest said:
I gave you the evidence.....coaching (improved D's at every stop-includes Tennessee) plus improved recruiting. Wilcox has never had great talent to work with but with this recruiting staff the D talent in the pipeline is already quite good. If we win 9+ games than the pipeline will grow stronger. I do think this staff if it stays together for another 2 years can build a top 10 defense nationally.TierbsHsotBoobs said:"This D staff can build a championship defense because Wilcox is very good and Tosh and Sirmon can recruit. And Sirmon and Heyward did quite well at their positions in year one."
Where is the evidence to back this statement?
The two years at Tennessee seem to directly contradict the statement.
Hope this helps. -
You don't get it. You will know how good a class was after they take the field. Who actually makes it in to school, who sticks it out, and ultimately who contributes.HeretoBeatmyChest said:
The facts say so. Where everyone is wrong is that Sark is not a good recruiter. Yes, on paper the rankings say the classes don't look much different but since Tosh & Sirmon arrived the average stars per player are much higher and the 10-20th best recruits are far far better than they were before.MikeDamone said:
Improved recruiting? Everyone says so.HeretoBeatmyChest said:
I gave you the evidence.....coaching (improved D's at every stop-includes Tennessee) plus improved recruiting. Wilcox has never had great talent to work with but with this recruiting staff the D talent in the pipeline is already quite good. If we win 9+ games than the pipeline will grow stronger. I do think this staff if it stays together for another 2 years can build a top 10 defense nationally.TierbsHsotBoobs said:"This D staff can build a championship defense because Wilcox is very good and Tosh and Sirmon can recruit. And Sirmon and Heyward did quite well at their positions in year one."
Where is the evidence to back this statement?
The two years at Tennessee seem to directly contradict the statement. -
So you're saying the heralded 2008 class that saved Ty's job wasn't really the 12th best class in the nation?MikeDamone said:
You don't get it. You will know how good a class was after they take the field. Who actually makes it in to school, who sticks it out, and ultimately who contributes.HeretoBeatmyChest said:
The facts say so. Where everyone is wrong is that Sark is not a good recruiter. Yes, on paper the rankings say the classes don't look much different but since Tosh & Sirmon arrived the average stars per player are much higher and the 10-20th best recruits are far far better than they were before.MikeDamone said:
Improved recruiting? Everyone says so.HeretoBeatmyChest said:
I gave you the evidence.....coaching (improved D's at every stop-includes Tennessee) plus improved recruiting. Wilcox has never had great talent to work with but with this recruiting staff the D talent in the pipeline is already quite good. If we win 9+ games than the pipeline will grow stronger. I do think this staff if it stays together for another 2 years can build a top 10 defense nationally.TierbsHsotBoobs said:"This D staff can build a championship defense because Wilcox is very good and Tosh and Sirmon can recruit. And Sirmon and Heyward did quite well at their positions in year one."
Where is the evidence to back this statement?
The two years at Tennessee seem to directly contradict the statement.
Also for you recruiting fans go look at our highly rated 2010 class then get back to me.
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I agree with this, and would add the obvious. Coaching influences have a very real impact on the performance of a class, from recruiting emphasis on proper player characteristics and projected positions to player development. I do believe Wilcox and Co. are real improvements over the staff they replaced, but to what degree remains to be seen. The problem at this juncture is that even if they turn out to be defensive geniuses, the offense took a big step back last year, and the special teams are not so special. Seven win Steve is still Seven win Steve. Maybe that changes this year, but I seriously doubt it.MikeDamone said:
You don't get it. You will know how good a class was after they take the field. Who actually makes it in to school, who sticks it out, and ultimately who contributes.HeretoBeatmyChest said:
The facts say so. Where everyone is wrong is that Sark is not a good recruiter. Yes, on paper the rankings say the classes don't look much different but since Tosh & Sirmon arrived the average stars per player are much higher and the 10-20th best recruits are far far better than they were before.MikeDamone said:
Improved recruiting? Everyone says so.HeretoBeatmyChest said:
I gave you the evidence.....coaching (improved D's at every stop-includes Tennessee) plus improved recruiting. Wilcox has never had great talent to work with but with this recruiting staff the D talent in the pipeline is already quite good. If we win 9+ games than the pipeline will grow stronger. I do think this staff if it stays together for another 2 years can build a top 10 defense nationally.TierbsHsotBoobs said:"This D staff can build a championship defense because Wilcox is very good and Tosh and Sirmon can recruit. And Sirmon and Heyward did quite well at their positions in year one."
Where is the evidence to back this statement?
The two years at Tennessee seem to directly contradict the statement. -
There are boreds that prefer to look at bright spots among the rubble.
There are boreds that like to pretend we were 9-4 last year.
There are boreds that like to believe Sark's 26-25 record portends great things for the program.
There are boreds that like to pretend that the wins against Stanford, Oregon St. and Cal were not gift-wrapped last year.
There are boreds that like to overlook the frequent plunger rapings and inexcusable collapses in winnable games that are the hallmark of the Sarkisian era.
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I'd like to think this bored is one that has good fans who see through the bullshit and see things before they happen. Not necessarily always a negative thing, but for UW since 2001 (or 1994? or 92?) it has been a negative thing.TMacDawg said:There are boreds that prefer to look at bright spots among the rubble.
There are boreds that like to pretend we were 9-4 last year.
There are boreds that like to believe Sark's 26-25 record portends great things for the program.
There are boreds that like to pretend that the wins against Stanford, Oregon St. and Cal were not gift-wrapped last year.
There are boreds that like to overlook the frequent plunger rapings and inexcusable collapses in winnable games that are the hallmark of the Sarkisian era.
This is not one of them. -
the thing you have with Wilcox is he teaches dirty, undisciplined football.
so you have that going for you, which is nice.
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