The program needs to advance every year
What some of you don't realize is that even though the record was the same last year as it was in 2011, the program advanced quite a bit and is on an upward swing. Of course some of you will mock this, and none of you will give me credit when this comes to fruition, but it's part of the biz.
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Yep, that beat down over Portland St. is one I'll tell my grandkids about some day.
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Seriously, one of the saddest parts of the season, in retrospect, was the fact that we were taunting the Portland State players at halftime. It takes a real bunch of undisciplined losers to taunt a team that knows they are traveling somewhere to get an ass beating. I can't wait to see the "swagger" we have while we destroy Idaho State this year.
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I don't mind the taunting, but it is telling that our players do all of it against terrible teams. Where were the tough guy attitudes in Baton Rouge, Eugune, and Tucsan? In fact, I remember LSU players taunting our players, who didn't do anything about it.bananasnblondes said:Seriously, one of the saddest parts of the season, in retrospect, was the fact that we were taunting the Portland State players at halftime. It takes a real bunch of undisciplined losers to taunt a team that knows they are traveling somewhere to get an ass beating. I can't wait to see the "swagger" we have while we destroy Idaho State this year.
This is a soft program. Sark is soft and it filters through the whole program. A bunch of front runners who pat themselves on the back for Holiday Bowls and blowing out Portland State.
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Sark had to show he was a TUFF coach by bitching out the entire team in front of everyone at halftime too.bananasnblondes said:Seriously, one of the saddest parts of the season, in retrospect, was the fact that we were taunting the Portland State players at halftime. It takes a real bunch of undisciplined losers to taunt a team that knows they are traveling somewhere to get an ass beating. I can't wait to see the "swagger" we have while we destroy Idaho State this year.
Like others have stated where was this attitude the previous week when LSU guys were making us look like fucking middle schoolers and taunting us as well. That LSU game was as bad or worse than any beat down during the 0-12 season.
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Too many people are point to the defensive improvement as their reason for hope. Problem is the best defensive games came against teams playing with struggling QBs.
I think Wilcox has potential, but even his D has not proven it can even SLOW down the spread attacks.
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Yes like fans were quick to praise Holt and his defense for playing "great" down the stretch in 2010. For those who remember we faced a ton of backup QB's during that "magical" 4 game win streak.IrishDawg22 said:Too many people are point to the defensive improvement as their reason for hope. Problem is the best defensive games came against teams playing with struggling QBs.
I think Wilcox has potential, but even his D has not proven it can even SLOW down the spread attacks.
And that is a scary thoughts with the offensive minded coaches in this league.
Just like this past year we faced some downright shitty ass QB's. Whenever we faced a decent(not great) QB he typically had his way with our defense. Every team ran the ball on us even Portland State.
We still gave up some ugly numbers to Oregon, LSU and Arizona. Why I'm going to "let it play out" before I praise Wilcox as the savior. -
I remember plenty of idiots who were worried because they thought Wilcox was the new hot commodity and would become a HC at a PAC 12 school. This is after 2 or 3 solid defensive performances and I think one of them was the Portland State game.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Yes like fans were quick to praise Holt and his defense for playing "great" down the stretch in 2010. For those who remember we faced a ton of backup QB's during that "magical" 4 game win streak.IrishDawg22 said:Too many people are point to the defensive improvement as their reason for hope. Problem is the best defensive games came against teams playing with struggling QBs.
I think Wilcox has potential, but even his D has not proven it can even SLOW down the spread attacks.
And that is a scary thoughts with the offensive minded coaches in this league.
Just like this past year we faced some downright shitty ass QB's. Whenever we faced a decent(not great) QB he typically had his way with our defense. Every team ran the ball on us even Portland State.
We still gave up some ugly numbers to Oregon, LSU and Arizona. Why I'm going to "let it play out" before I praise Wilcox as the savior. -
After the Stanford game I especially remember that. I bet Wilcox will be head coach at Cal.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
I remember plenty of idiots who were worried because they thought Wilcox was the new hot commodity and would become a HC at a PAC 12 school. This is after 2 or 3 solid defensive performances and I think one of them was the Portland State game.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Yes like fans were quick to praise Holt and his defense for playing "great" down the stretch in 2010. For those who remember we faced a ton of backup QB's during that "magical" 4 game win streak.IrishDawg22 said:Too many people are point to the defensive improvement as their reason for hope. Problem is the best defensive games came against teams playing with struggling QBs.
I think Wilcox has potential, but even his D has not proven it can even SLOW down the spread attacks.
And that is a scary thoughts with the offensive minded coaches in this league.
Just like this past year we faced some downright shitty ass QB's. Whenever we faced a decent(not great) QB he typically had his way with our defense. Every team ran the ball on us even Portland State.
We still gave up some ugly numbers to Oregon, LSU and Arizona. Why I'm going to "let it play out" before I praise Wilcox as the savior.
Then this offseason comes around and he didn't even interview for one head coaching job. -
I feel a special season coming on...
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WHAT??!!! I was hearing he should be the head coach. Plus he did miracles at BSU and Tennessee.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Yes like fans were quick to praise Holt and his defense for playing "great" down the stretch in 2010. For those who remember we faced a ton of backup QB's during that "magical" 4 game win streak.IrishDawg22 said:Too many people are point to the defensive improvement as their reason for hope. Problem is the best defensive games came against teams playing with struggling QBs.
I think Wilcox has potential, but even his D has not proven it can even SLOW down the spread attacks.
And that is a scary thoughts with the offensive minded coaches in this league.
Just like this past year we faced some downright shitty ass QB's. Whenever we faced a decent(not great) QB he typically had his way with our defense. Every team ran the ball on us even Portland State.
We still gave up some ugly numbers to Oregon, LSU and Arizona. Why I'm going to "let it play out" before I praise Wilcox as the savior.
I've had the debate many times. Please stop with the Wilcox is the "greatest coach in America" shit. Maybe he is, maybe not. Yes, the D improved. And yes they took it up the ass in several games as well. I'm not going to go all Passion and say he needs to win a Championship before I say he is great coach, but maybe a couple of seasons of improvement and consistency would be nice to see first. -
One of your best, Race!TMacDawg said:I feel a special season coming on...
Permission to make this my avatar?
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Do you think he'd be conservatively proven a great coach before given a HC offer somewhere else? in this overreaching coaching market I dont know if we'll get a chance to really see what he's made of. At this point I'd rather bet on Wilcox than Sark though, but I have a feeling Wilcox will be gone before Sark.
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Gracias. Permission granted. Race photoshopped that when he was 5.HillsboroDuck said:
One of your best, Race!TMacDawg said:I feel a special season coming on...
Permission to make this my avatar? -
I should talk some football but I just love to photoshop
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They should have both been sent door.ass.out. at midfield at the end of the 2012 Apple Cup.brchco12 said:Do you think he'd be conservatively proven a great coach before given a HC offer somewhere else? in this overreaching coaching market I dont know if we'll get a chance to really see what he's made of. At this point I'd rather bet on Wilcox than Sark though, but I have a feeling Wilcox will be gone before Sark.
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Wilcox is a proven coordinator with success at multiple stops. The UW D struggled against good QB's and can't stop spread offenses but that will happen in due time when the DL has more than 1-2 pac-12 starters out of 4. The defensive staff is quite strong and can recruit. Tosh stole Vatuvei from USC at the last minute in 2012 and last year pulled in a strong class at DL. They already have a commit from a guy Biggins said would be top 50 next year.
Its sacrilege to say but Wilcox is a better college DC than Mora or whoever is at UCLA. True its only one year but UW was ahead of UCLA in all but two defensive stats...sacks and 3rd downs. Mora's D gave up 27+ points in 9 games last year versus 5 for UW. And keep in mind UCLA's offense was near the top of the conference while UW's was near the bottom. With a good offense, UW's D would have fared better. And UCLA didn't play Oregon.
This D staff can build a championship defense because Wilcox is very good and Tosh and Sirmon can recruit. And Sirmon and Heyward did quite well at their positions in year one.
I don't need to wait another a year to see what is already obvious....but go ahead flame away and ignore how much worse UCLA's D was than UW's last year. -
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When has Wilcox built a championship defense? Boise doesn't count. -
I agree that UW's defensive staff is above average. Hayward looks like a beast and Sirmon engineered an incredible makeover in the LB corps. Tosh can recruit, that much we know. I'm less convinced he can coach, though.
One year is a bit soon to reach any definitive conclusions about Mora's defensive staff, but we know his secondary is probably going to suck. It's pretty likely UW has a better defensive staff than UCLA.
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Wilcox's defenses since he left Boise:
2010, 10th in the SEC in total defense, 9th in scoring defense
2011, 7th in the SEC in total defense, 9th in scoring defense
2012, 4th in the Pac-12 in total defense, 4th in scoring defense
Dude was lucky to get out of Tennessee when he did and luckier still to go to a place where being in the middle is good enough. -
Stop sucking Wilcox cox and let it play out. Same rule applies to Wilcox as Sark. Prove it on the field. Ass rapes and 4th quarter collapses mean Wilcox has more to prove. Tosh and Sirmon are great recruiters, everyone says so..HeretoBeatmyChest said:Wilcox is a proven coordinator with success at multiple stops. The UW D struggled against good QB's and can't stop spread offenses but that will happen in due time when the DL has more than 1-2 pac-12 starters out of 4. The defensive staff is quite strong and can recruit. Tosh stole Vatuvei from USC at the last minute in 2012 and last year pulled in a strong class at DL. They already have a commit from a guy Biggins said would be top 50 next year.
Its sacrilege to say but Wilcox is a better college DC than Mora or whoever is at UCLA. True its only one year but UW was ahead of UCLA in all but two defensive stats...sacks and 3rd downs. Mora's D gave up 27+ points in 9 games last year versus 5 for UW. And keep in mind UCLA's offense was near the top of the conference while UW's was near the bottom. With a good offense, UW's D would have fared better. And UCLA didn't play Oregon.
This D staff can build a championship defense because Wilcox is very good and Tosh and Sirmon can recruit. And Sirmon and Heyward did quite well at their positions in year one.
I don't need to wait another a year to see what is already obvious....but go ahead flame away and ignore how much worse UCLA's D was than UW's last year.
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Wilcox hasn't proved jack shit. Doogs love to bring up the Stanford game but easily forget that they were playing a QB who might has well been blindfolded and throwing lefty. Let us not forget that their WR's dropped like 3 wide open passes for touchdowns. They also seem to forget the EPIC abortion that was the 4th quarter of the WSU game. Doogs just point out Coons made that kick (yes he should have drilled that, great recruiting Sark!) but we should have NEVER been in that position.
The only reason people (and by people I mean doogs) think that Wilcox is this defensive genius is because they compare him to Holt, where he is a slight upgrade.
When he starts consistently holding good teams to 14 points or lower then we can start talking (although I don't see that happening). -
Sark : Ty :: Wilcox : Holt
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Wilcox has improved the defenses at every place he's coached (check). I said he was a proven DC, not that he had already built a championship D. He coached at Boise where they have under recruited and under sized guys and he coached at Tennessee which was one of the worst SEC programs at the time. Ironically, 180 degrees opposite Sark, he's had to coach (as a coordinator) entirely on fundamentals and scheme. He was part of victories over Oklahoma and Oregon twice.TierbsHsotBoobs said:Wilcox's defenses since he left Boise:
2010, 10th in the SEC in total defense, 9th in scoring defense
2011, 7th in the SEC in total defense, 9th in scoring defense
2012, 4th in the Pac-12 in total defense, 4th in scoring defense
Dude was lucky to get out of Tennessee when he did and luckier still to go to a place where being in the middle is good enough.
Now, since I actually watch the games and follow the program let me help. There was a huge defensive improvement in the first year and across the board at all positions. Meanwhile, since the new D staff arrived recruiting has improved considerably. Guys like Vatuvei, Shaq, Mathis, Qualls, Mathis, Farria, and Kelly were very highly recruited while the 3* star guys compared to the past 3* guys (with offers from WSU and OSU) have much better offer lists. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where good coaching with improved recruiting leads to. -
7-6 >>>>> 7-6
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"This D staff can build a championship defense because Wilcox is very good and Tosh and Sirmon can recruit. And Sirmon and Heyward did quite well at their positions in year one."
Where is the evidence to back this statement?
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Tennessee fell to dead last in defense without Wilcox in 2012. That should count for something. He's a good defensive coordinator, but good assistants aren't what win teams championships.TierbsHsotBoobs said:Wilcox's defenses since he left Boise:
2010, 10th in the SEC in total defense, 9th in scoring defense
2011, 7th in the SEC in total defense, 9th in scoring defense
2012, 4th in the Pac-12 in total defense, 4th in scoring defense
Dude was lucky to get out of Tennessee when he did and luckier still to go to a place where being in the middle is good enough.
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Yes, we get it...he is better than Holt..if you want to doog it up and people will pat you on the back there is place you can do that for $9.99. He took UW D from horrible to average in 1 year...just like sark did with the program Great > average. Let it play out.HeretoBeatmyChest said:
Wilcox has improved the defenses at every place he's coached (check). I said he was a proven DC, not that he had already built a championship D. He coached at Boise where they have under recruited and under sized guys and he coached at Tennessee which was one of the worst SEC programs at the time. Ironically, 180 degrees opposite Sark, he's had to coach (as a coordinator) entirely on fundamentals and scheme. He was part of victories over Oklahoma and Oregon twice.TierbsHsotBoobs said:Wilcox's defenses since he left Boise:
2010, 10th in the SEC in total defense, 9th in scoring defense
2011, 7th in the SEC in total defense, 9th in scoring defense
2012, 4th in the Pac-12 in total defense, 4th in scoring defense
Dude was lucky to get out of Tennessee when he did and luckier still to go to a place where being in the middle is good enough.
Now, since I actually watch the games and follow the program let me help. There was a huge defensive improvement in the first year and across the board at all positions. Meanwhile, since the new D staff arrived recruiting has improved considerably. Guys like Vatuvei, Shaq, Mathis, Qualls, Mathis, Farria, and Kelly were very highly recruited while the 3* star guys compared to the past 3* guys (with offers from WSU and OSU) have much better offer lists. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where good coaching with improved recruiting leads to. -
I gave you the evidence.....coaching (improved D's at every stop-includes Tennessee) plus improved recruiting. Wilcox has never had great talent to work with but with this recruiting staff the D talent in the pipeline is already quite good. If we win 9+ games than the pipeline will grow stronger. I do think this staff if it stays together for another 2 years can build a top 10 defense nationally.TierbsHsotBoobs said:"This D staff can build a championship defense because Wilcox is very good and Tosh and Sirmon can recruit. And Sirmon and Heyward did quite well at their positions in year one."
Where is the evidence to back this statement?
The two years at Tennessee seem to directly contradict the statement. -
Improved recruiting? Everyone says so.HeretoBeatmyChest said:
I gave you the evidence.....coaching (improved D's at every stop-includes Tennessee) plus improved recruiting. Wilcox has never had great talent to work with but with this recruiting staff the D talent in the pipeline is already quite good. If we win 9+ games than the pipeline will grow stronger. I do think this staff if it stays together for another 2 years can build a top 10 defense nationally.TierbsHsotBoobs said:"This D staff can build a championship defense because Wilcox is very good and Tosh and Sirmon can recruit. And Sirmon and Heyward did quite well at their positions in year one."
Where is the evidence to back this statement?
The two years at Tennessee seem to directly contradict the statement. -
The coaching and recruiting is enough to get to the top 20 or so. The recruits aren't top 10 level (nowhere close, in fact) and the coaching is not significantly above average.HeretoBeatmyChest said:
I gave you the evidence.....coaching (improved D's at every stop-includes Tennessee) plus improved recruiting. Wilcox has never had great talent to work with but with this recruiting staff the D talent in the pipeline is already quite good. If we win 9+ games than the pipeline will grow stronger. I do think this staff if it stays together for another 2 years can build a top 10 defense nationally.TierbsHsotBoobs said:"This D staff can build a championship defense because Wilcox is very good and Tosh and Sirmon can recruit. And Sirmon and Heyward did quite well at their positions in year one."
Where is the evidence to back this statement?
The two years at Tennessee seem to directly contradict the statement.
Hope this helps.
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