Will the Pacers ever learn?
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Is your buddy Tequilla who thinks Golden Tate fucked Russell Wilson's wife?haie said:
One of my buddies said it was rumored George fucked his wife sometime during the season, take it for what it's worth.He_Needs_More_Time said:Tequilla I think you are being a bit too critical of Vogel too. He hasn't coached a great series, I think he might end up taking the blame as he's lost his team as well.
However, I don't think he's a bad coach. Like Scott Brooks I can say with confidence after OKC finally fires his ass(if ever they are so cheap) he'll bomb at his next job.
I can see Vogel being a Don Nelson, George Karl type where he never wins a title but makes several deep runs in the postseason with several different franchises. Even though he ended up winning a title Larry Brown is in that tier too.
I'm curious what happened to Roy Hibbert. SOMETHING happened to him off the court for him to be this way. I can't remember an All-Star during his All-Star season having this many 0 point outings during the postseason.
Unlike the Tate one I'm willing to believe this rumor. George nose dived for a while too and hasn't looked top 10 status like he did first half. Hibbert struggles has been documented.
FWIW, I typed in on Google "Roy Hibbert wife" and immediately the following in order pop up "Roy Hibbert wife" Roy Hibbert Wife and Paul George" "Roy Hibbert Wife Cheats" "Roy Hibbert Wife Teammate".
https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=roy+hibbert+wife+paul+george&oq=Roy+Hibbert+wife+&gs_l=hp.1.0.0l3j0i22i30.1000.113708.0.115066.20.17.2.1.2.0.171.1916.3j14.17.0....0...1c.1.45.hp..5.15.1266.0.PKLdLxhChHw
A lot of links on this topic. This actually has legs.
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He's 205-107 in his career. That's pretty damn impressive IMO, especially considering he coached half those games without Derrick Rose.He_Needs_More_Time said:
I think Thibs is a different category because those coaches I mention always seem to get fired. While Thibs for whatever reason everyone acts like he's this great coach despite mediocre results. He's to the NBA what Jeff Fisher is the NFL or what Mike Riley is to the Pac-12(Hi iDawg!).dnc said:
Totally agree on Vogel. I don't see him as a great coach like I once did but I still think he's well above average. You're probably right he never wins a title though.He_Needs_More_Time said:Tequilla I think you are being a bit too critical of Vogel too. He hasn't coached a great series, I think he might end up taking the blame as he's lost his team as well.
However, I don't think he's a bad coach. Like Scott Brooks I can say with confidence after OKC finally fires his ass(if ever they are so cheap) he'll bomb at his next job.
I can see Vogel being a Don Nelson, George Karl type where he never wins a title but makes several deep runs in the postseason with several different franchises. Even though he ended up winning a title Larry Brown is in that tier too.
I'm curious what happened to Roy Hibbert. SOMETHING happened to him off the court for him to be this way. I can't remember an All-Star during his All-Star season having this many 0 point outings during the postseason.
I'd put Thibodeau in that same category.
They are considered great because they "do more with less" although ultimately it's still not much.
He profiles a lot like George Karl to me - great defensive coach who gets stellar regular season results but disappoints in the postseason. But at least in Thibs case he has the "didn't have my best player for three of my four playoff losses" defense.
Honestly if I had to take one or the other I'd take Thibodeau over Vogel. Again, I don't think he's a championship coach, but I think he's a guy who can take you pretty far if you give him a decent roster.
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Thibs has gotten hardcore boned by the Derrick Rose injuries, otherwise probably would have made a Finals appearance, and a couple Eastern Finals. Like DNC wrote, the dude wins games, and without a top 10 guy (outside of Rose).He_Needs_More_Time said:
I think Thibs is a different category because those coaches I mention always seem to get fired. While Thibs for whatever reason everyone acts like he's this great coach despite mediocre results. He's to the NBA what Jeff Fisher is the NFL or what Mike Riley is to the Pac-12(Hi iDawg!).dnc said:
Totally agree on Vogel. I don't see him as a great coach like I once did but I still think he's well above average. You're probably right he never wins a title though.He_Needs_More_Time said:Tequilla I think you are being a bit too critical of Vogel too. He hasn't coached a great series, I think he might end up taking the blame as he's lost his team as well.
However, I don't think he's a bad coach. Like Scott Brooks I can say with confidence after OKC finally fires his ass(if ever they are so cheap) he'll bomb at his next job.
I can see Vogel being a Don Nelson, George Karl type where he never wins a title but makes several deep runs in the postseason with several different franchises. Even though he ended up winning a title Larry Brown is in that tier too.
I'm curious what happened to Roy Hibbert. SOMETHING happened to him off the court for him to be this way. I can't remember an All-Star during his All-Star season having this many 0 point outings during the postseason.
I'd put Thibodeau in that same category.
They are considered great because they "do more with less" although ultimately it's still not much.
Also, Chicago's pretty cheap. Sound familiar? -
Disagree on a healthy Derrick Rose team beating any of these three Miami teams. Just don't see it. That was probably the worst of the four Miami teams too and they took care of them in five.doogsinparadise said:
Thibs has gotten hardcore boned by the Derrick Rose injuries, otherwise probably would have made a Finals appearance, and a couple Eastern Finals. Like DNC wrote, the dude wins games, and without a top 10 guy (outside of Rose).He_Needs_More_Time said:
I think Thibs is a different category because those coaches I mention always seem to get fired. While Thibs for whatever reason everyone acts like he's this great coach despite mediocre results. He's to the NBA what Jeff Fisher is the NFL or what Mike Riley is to the Pac-12(Hi iDawg!).dnc said:
Totally agree on Vogel. I don't see him as a great coach like I once did but I still think he's well above average. You're probably right he never wins a title though.He_Needs_More_Time said:Tequilla I think you are being a bit too critical of Vogel too. He hasn't coached a great series, I think he might end up taking the blame as he's lost his team as well.
However, I don't think he's a bad coach. Like Scott Brooks I can say with confidence after OKC finally fires his ass(if ever they are so cheap) he'll bomb at his next job.
I can see Vogel being a Don Nelson, George Karl type where he never wins a title but makes several deep runs in the postseason with several different franchises. Even though he ended up winning a title Larry Brown is in that tier too.
I'm curious what happened to Roy Hibbert. SOMETHING happened to him off the court for him to be this way. I can't remember an All-Star during his All-Star season having this many 0 point outings during the postseason.
I'd put Thibodeau in that same category.
They are considered great because they "do more with less" although ultimately it's still not much.
Also, Chicago's pretty cheap. Sound familiar?
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BTW the Pacers have shot 94 FT's, Heat 87.
I'm a conspiracy guy as I've proven on here already.
This isn't Kings-Lakers 2002 or Sonics-Suns 1993. This is Miami-Chicago 2011 which is what I said immediately on here after game one.
As for the Heat-Pacers "rivalry" it's not a rivalry if one side never wins. This is like Lakers-Blazers when the Lakers ended the Blazers season five out of six years from 1997-2002, four of which were at the Rose Garden. We all remember the one at Staples though. -
The thing that worries me about Vogel, and what would give me pause if I was another team going to hire him in the future, would be that he lost this team for the most part. They went from being without question one of the Top 5 teams in the league to a team that you had no clue what you were going to get night in and night out.
I think it's clear watching them play that George wants to play up tempo and you can't do that with Hibbert in place. There's got to be a move there and George is the face of the franchise going forward.
Stephenson will be interesting to see what happens with him.
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There's no question that Scola was brutal in Game 2, but he's been solid in both games in Miami. He offers the ability to stretch the floor as well as score in the post - particularly against Miami's undersized lineups.
Hibbert's been on and off in this series. Manhimi hasn't been terrible, but you can't have just one starter plus Scola in on the 2nd string lineup against Miami. Those units have really hurt the first unit in this series.
My biggest criticism with Vogel is that he just hasn't had a Plan B in place and the ability to adjust on the fly. While I've been very critical of Spolestra, I do give him credit for having an ability to not stay with something that isn't working. He'll keep trying things until he comes up with something that works. -
I don't have time to read this thread but I'm still going to chime in. If they really wanted to win the title in the 2-3 year window they have or had Bird should have stepped in like pop did in SA.
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What exactly is there to be critical of? With one more win he's going to be 14-1 in playoff series in the past four seasons.Tequilla said:There's no question that Scola was brutal in Game 2, but he's been solid in both games in Miami. He offers the ability to stretch the floor as well as score in the post - particularly against Miami's undersized lineups.
Hibbert's been on and off in this series. Manhimi hasn't been terrible, but you can't have just one starter plus Scola in on the 2nd string lineup against Miami. Those units have really hurt the first unit in this series.
My biggest criticism with Vogel is that he just hasn't had a Plan B in place and the ability to adjust on the fly. While I've been very critical of Spolestra, I do give him credit for having an ability to not stay with something that isn't working. He'll keep trying things until he comes up with something that works.
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Paul George better not say one fucking word after tonight. Wade has 2 fouls, Lebron has 3 early.
Pretty fucking obvious the NBA wants this series to extend to another game.
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