Will the Pacers ever learn?
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Seriously you are down 3-1 just STFU and play ball. Indiana just isn't ready for primetime. Where was George bitching about home cooking during game one?
From this latest FS comments to Stephenson's comments about Wade then Lebron there is ZERO leadership on that team.
I couldn't ever picture Miami, the Spurs, shit even OKC making one bulletin board statement after another. Great teams/great players feed off that shit. They take any tiny slight and use it to burn them.
Most of us are Seahawks fans in here and just look at how they take any slight against them.
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14 to 5 in turnovers says that the stat line wasn't the same.
Same with the free throw line. -
Did at any point in that game did it feel like the Pacers were going to win? The answer is no. Miami took the lead early and didn't look back.
To blame the refs is fucking stupid. Miami didn't blame the refs after game one but they are a championship team.
Pacers are pretenders. That's the difference. Fans can bitch about refs that's what fans do, when players and coaches start doing it especially in this circumstance you come off as a whiny cunt. -
They have pieces but the leadership isn't there starting with Vogel.
I love David West's game and toughness but he bitches more than any leader should bitch - particularly when your next 2 best players are still young.
I think George's heart is in the right spot. In a lot of ways, the differences between these teams isn't that big. But right now, the small details of the game Indiana's getting killed in (rotation shuffles, ending quarters, adjustments).
Indiana should have been using the Scola/West combo earlier in this series once they saw how Miami was forcing traps and allowing rotations to go to non-scorers. Both of those guys as bigs are capable of scoring and leaves 5 capable scorers on the court which neutralizes Miami's ability to get away with some of their traps and rotations. When a fucktarded FS person like me can see that, you start wondering what Frank Vogel is sitting there staring at blankly. -
I think people are just reaching for any team that looks like they could beat the Heat. Personally I'm glad they they will probably 3-peat. Who gives a fuck how your team was assembled?
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The same Scola who was a liability in game two and basically changed the game by being out there?Tequilla said:They have pieces but the leadership isn't there starting with Vogel.
I love David West's game and toughness but he bitches more than any leader should bitch - particularly when your next 2 best players are still young.
I think George's heart is in the right spot. In a lot of ways, the differences between these teams isn't that big. But right now, the small details of the game Indiana's getting killed in (rotation shuffles, ending quarters, adjustments).
Indiana should have been using the Scola/West combo earlier in this series once they saw how Miami was forcing traps and allowing rotations to go to non-scorers. Both of those guys as bigs are capable of scoring and leaves 5 capable scorers on the court which neutralizes Miami's ability to get away with some of their traps and rotations. When a fucktarded FS person like me can see that, you start wondering what Frank Vogel is sitting there staring at blankly.
As for George blaming the refs is dumb. Like you said biggest thing in this series is closing out quarters. Miami has done a great job of closing out quarters.
That is how Miami plays though they are a team who has three large runs a game. The key is making sure you counter with a run of your own and making sure that run is like an 8-0 run and not some giant ass run. That is why the Spurs-Heat series was so fun last year and will be this year. That will be constant game of big runs. -
Tequilla I think you are being a bit too critical of Vogel too. He hasn't coached a great series, I think he might end up taking the blame as he's lost his team as well.
However, I don't think he's a bad coach. Like Scott Brooks I can say with confidence after OKC finally fires his ass(if ever they are so cheap) he'll bomb at his next job.
I can see Vogel being a Don Nelson, George Karl type where he never wins a title but makes several deep runs in the postseason with several different franchises. Even though he ended up winning a title Larry Brown is in that tier too.
I'm curious what happened to Roy Hibbert. SOMETHING happened to him off the court for him to be this way. I can't remember an All-Star during his All-Star season having this many 0 point outings during the postseason. -
Totally agree on Vogel. I don't see him as a great coach like I once did but I still think he's well above average. You're probably right he never wins a title though.He_Needs_More_Time said:Tequilla I think you are being a bit too critical of Vogel too. He hasn't coached a great series, I think he might end up taking the blame as he's lost his team as well.
However, I don't think he's a bad coach. Like Scott Brooks I can say with confidence after OKC finally fires his ass(if ever they are so cheap) he'll bomb at his next job.
I can see Vogel being a Don Nelson, George Karl type where he never wins a title but makes several deep runs in the postseason with several different franchises. Even though he ended up winning a title Larry Brown is in that tier too.
I'm curious what happened to Roy Hibbert. SOMETHING happened to him off the court for him to be this way. I can't remember an All-Star during his All-Star season having this many 0 point outings during the postseason.
I'd put Thibodeau in that same category. -
One of my buddies said it was rumored George fucked his wife sometime during the season, take it for what it's worth.He_Needs_More_Time said:Tequilla I think you are being a bit too critical of Vogel too. He hasn't coached a great series, I think he might end up taking the blame as he's lost his team as well.
However, I don't think he's a bad coach. Like Scott Brooks I can say with confidence after OKC finally fires his ass(if ever they are so cheap) he'll bomb at his next job.
I can see Vogel being a Don Nelson, George Karl type where he never wins a title but makes several deep runs in the postseason with several different franchises. Even though he ended up winning a title Larry Brown is in that tier too.
I'm curious what happened to Roy Hibbert. SOMETHING happened to him off the court for him to be this way. I can't remember an All-Star during his All-Star season having this many 0 point outings during the postseason. -
I think Thibs is a different category because those coaches I mention always seem to get fired. While Thibs for whatever reason everyone acts like he's this great coach despite mediocre results. He's to the NBA what Jeff Fisher is the NFL or what Mike Riley is to the Pac-12(Hi iDawg!).dnc said:
Totally agree on Vogel. I don't see him as a great coach like I once did but I still think he's well above average. You're probably right he never wins a title though.He_Needs_More_Time said:Tequilla I think you are being a bit too critical of Vogel too. He hasn't coached a great series, I think he might end up taking the blame as he's lost his team as well.
However, I don't think he's a bad coach. Like Scott Brooks I can say with confidence after OKC finally fires his ass(if ever they are so cheap) he'll bomb at his next job.
I can see Vogel being a Don Nelson, George Karl type where he never wins a title but makes several deep runs in the postseason with several different franchises. Even though he ended up winning a title Larry Brown is in that tier too.
I'm curious what happened to Roy Hibbert. SOMETHING happened to him off the court for him to be this way. I can't remember an All-Star during his All-Star season having this many 0 point outings during the postseason.
I'd put Thibodeau in that same category.
They are considered great because they "do more with less" although ultimately it's still not much.
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"Attitude reflects leadership, captain."haie said:
One of my buddies said it was rumored George fucked his wife sometime during the season, take it for what it's worth.He_Needs_More_Time said:Tequilla I think you are being a bit too critical of Vogel too. He hasn't coached a great series, I think he might end up taking the blame as he's lost his team as well.
However, I don't think he's a bad coach. Like Scott Brooks I can say with confidence after OKC finally fires his ass(if ever they are so cheap) he'll bomb at his next job.
I can see Vogel being a Don Nelson, George Karl type where he never wins a title but makes several deep runs in the postseason with several different franchises. Even though he ended up winning a title Larry Brown is in that tier too.
I'm curious what happened to Roy Hibbert. SOMETHING happened to him off the court for him to be this way. I can't remember an All-Star during his All-Star season having this many 0 point outings during the postseason.
If that's really true, Paul George deserves to end up on an inept franchise coached by Jim Caldwell.
