How does Trump recover from this mess...
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It shouldn’t even be an issue. He’s disavowed and denounce white supremacists for decades.creepycoug said:
Disagree. Hasn't collapsed and blown over. Yet.RaceBannon said:Its already collapsed and blown over. Just like all the rest
Clean some things up and get back out there
What nobody wants to address is that tripping over some imaginary low bar isn't getting Joe elected
That guy is not fit to lead and America knows it even if our media leaders won't report it
And team joe leapt at two more debates
Fish on
Agree with the rest.
It’s the retards on the Left who either forget it, or who make things up like Proud Boys being white supremacists, which they are no under any definition.
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They aren't white supremacist.Houhusky said:
I know very little about the proud boys other than it was founded by former Vice media founder and its now run by a Enrique Tarrio, an AfroCuban guy.creepycoug said:
The worst part about it was that the question was SO OBBIOUSLY canned and served up for him as a test. And while he was in the process of failing the test, the moderator kept nudging him and making it clear that this was a statement question and gave him a couple of chances to get it right and he just kept fucking it up. You could tell the gears were spinning and he made a calculated move. He just calculated badly. Very, very, very badly.thechatch said:I still can’t believe how badly Trump fucked up the condemning hate groups question.
“I condemn racism and hate groups of all kinds, unlike my opponent, who calls black people street predators, and is worried about white kids having to grow up in a racial jungle. My opponent, who supported race riots for months and encouraged domestic terrorists to attack the police and residents of our cities.”
That is low hanging fruit, and Trump fucked up royally with the “stand down and stand by” comment. He basically made himself the commanding officer of the Proud Boys.
We call those unforced errors, imo
I have a sense for the line on which he is dancing. There are plenty of people, both in and outside of his base, who speak plainly and directly about race relations and have politically incorrect views on race according to the left; but those people are not racists. The Tug, for example, is full of those people. I think perhaps Trump and his advisors don't sufficiently appreciate the difference between those people and people like the Proud Boys. If I'm right about that, then that's on him and his people.
In any event, whatever the reason, he wasn't good on his feet on that point and he may have really screwed the pooch. I don't think this one just goes away because of our? short attention span. If I'm on the left, I hammer this point until it's done.
Here the mini Dateline documentary done by Dateline from a couple years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7f4b1o6BKM&app=desktop
Are they actually a white supremacist group or are they just labeled that by the media at large?
The media is lazy and/or disingenuous.
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The debates mean shit. They are purely for entertainment. Everyone already knows who they are voting for. You think if Trump embarrasses Biden in a debate any of the woke crowd is going to change their minds?
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Nobody knew shit about Proud Boys before that.creepycoug said:
By "collapsed", I thought you meant the white supremacy group fumble. They're still talking about it.RaceBannon said:
Of course he has. It just isn't the narrative you hear every daycreepycoug said:
Disagree. Hasn't collapsed and blown over. Yet.RaceBannon said:Its already collapsed and blown over. Just like all the rest
Clean some things up and get back out there
What nobody wants to address is that tripping over some imaginary low bar isn't getting Joe elected
That guy is not fit to lead and America knows it even if our media leaders won't report it
And team joe leapt at two more debates
Fish on
Agree with the rest.
Imagine Trump hiding in the basement for 81% of the campaign. Then look at when Joe does appear. Then look at the debate without Trump and Chrissy deflecting attention away from Joe stumbling and closing his eyes and muttering nonsense
Like most of us agree - the next debate shut up and let Joe be Joe
Yes. And in the next debate, when you are served up a meatball on "white supremacy", don't fuck around; swing at it and make contact. Easy answer: "of course I denounce white supremacy. don't you?"
Now they all know the Portland chapter is headed by a black guy and there are numerous blacks in the organization. Dems are dumb that way. Free pub.
Biden picked the wrong group. Should have gone KKK but that opens up his man love for Robert Byrd
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If you want a good laugh at the bias of Wikipedia, look up Proud Boys on there and then contrast it with Antifa.
The left lies and lies and has hardly anything to show for it -
But Wallace didn't. He asked simply if he would condemn white supremacist groups, and he fucked around with it before Biden even mentioned the Proud Boys.PurpleThrobber said:
Nobody knew shit about Proud Boys before that.creepycoug said:
By "collapsed", I thought you meant the white supremacy group fumble. They're still talking about it.RaceBannon said:
Of course he has. It just isn't the narrative you hear every daycreepycoug said:
Disagree. Hasn't collapsed and blown over. Yet.RaceBannon said:Its already collapsed and blown over. Just like all the rest
Clean some things up and get back out there
What nobody wants to address is that tripping over some imaginary low bar isn't getting Joe elected
That guy is not fit to lead and America knows it even if our media leaders won't report it
And team joe leapt at two more debates
Fish on
Agree with the rest.
Imagine Trump hiding in the basement for 81% of the campaign. Then look at when Joe does appear. Then look at the debate without Trump and Chrissy deflecting attention away from Joe stumbling and closing his eyes and muttering nonsense
Like most of us agree - the next debate shut up and let Joe be Joe
Yes. And in the next debate, when you are served up a meatball on "white supremacy", don't fuck around; swing at it and make contact. Easy answer: "of course I denounce white supremacy. don't you?"
Now they all know the Portland chapter is headed by a black guy and there are numerous blacks in the organization. Dems are dumb that way. Free pub.
Biden picked the wrong group. Should have gone KKK but that opens up his man love for Robert Byrd
This is pretty simple: don't do that again. Just say "of course" and don't make it seem like you have to think about it. -
Nopecreepycoug said:
But Wallace didn't. He asked simply if he would condemn white supremacist groups, and he fucked around with it before Biden even mentioned the Proud Boys.PurpleThrobber said:
Nobody knew shit about Proud Boys before that.creepycoug said:
By "collapsed", I thought you meant the white supremacy group fumble. They're still talking about it.RaceBannon said:
Of course he has. It just isn't the narrative you hear every daycreepycoug said:
Disagree. Hasn't collapsed and blown over. Yet.RaceBannon said:Its already collapsed and blown over. Just like all the rest
Clean some things up and get back out there
What nobody wants to address is that tripping over some imaginary low bar isn't getting Joe elected
That guy is not fit to lead and America knows it even if our media leaders won't report it
And team joe leapt at two more debates
Fish on
Agree with the rest.
Imagine Trump hiding in the basement for 81% of the campaign. Then look at when Joe does appear. Then look at the debate without Trump and Chrissy deflecting attention away from Joe stumbling and closing his eyes and muttering nonsense
Like most of us agree - the next debate shut up and let Joe be Joe
Yes. And in the next debate, when you are served up a meatball on "white supremacy", don't fuck around; swing at it and make contact. Easy answer: "of course I denounce white supremacy. don't you?"
Now they all know the Portland chapter is headed by a black guy and there are numerous blacks in the organization. Dems are dumb that way. Free pub.
Biden picked the wrong group. Should have gone KKK but that opens up his man love for Robert Byrd
This is pretty simple: don't do that again. Just say "of course" and don't make it seem like you have to think about it.
Wallace asked Trump if he would tell them to stand down - the part that gets left out because it provides context
Trump said who
Biden said Proud Boys
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Their founder has certainly danced on the line of white nationalism.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
They aren't white supremacist.Houhusky said:
I know very little about the proud boys other than it was founded by former Vice media founder and its now run by a Enrique Tarrio, an AfroCuban guy.creepycoug said:
The worst part about it was that the question was SO OBBIOUSLY canned and served up for him as a test. And while he was in the process of failing the test, the moderator kept nudging him and making it clear that this was a statement question and gave him a couple of chances to get it right and he just kept fucking it up. You could tell the gears were spinning and he made a calculated move. He just calculated badly. Very, very, very badly.thechatch said:I still can’t believe how badly Trump fucked up the condemning hate groups question.
“I condemn racism and hate groups of all kinds, unlike my opponent, who calls black people street predators, and is worried about white kids having to grow up in a racial jungle. My opponent, who supported race riots for months and encouraged domestic terrorists to attack the police and residents of our cities.”
That is low hanging fruit, and Trump fucked up royally with the “stand down and stand by” comment. He basically made himself the commanding officer of the Proud Boys.
We call those unforced errors, imo
I have a sense for the line on which he is dancing. There are plenty of people, both in and outside of his base, who speak plainly and directly about race relations and have politically incorrect views on race according to the left; but those people are not racists. The Tug, for example, is full of those people. I think perhaps Trump and his advisors don't sufficiently appreciate the difference between those people and people like the Proud Boys. If I'm right about that, then that's on him and his people.
In any event, whatever the reason, he wasn't good on his feet on that point and he may have really screwed the pooch. I don't think this one just goes away because of our? short attention span. If I'm on the left, I hammer this point until it's done.
Here the mini Dateline documentary done by Dateline from a couple years agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7f4b1o6BKM&app=desktop
Are they actually a white supremacist group or are they just labeled that by the media at large?
The media is lazy and/or disingenuous.
In 2002 he stated that he was glad that Brooklyn hipsters were predominantly white. In a separate interview he said, ''I love being white and I think it's something to be very proud of.
“I don't want our culture diluted. We need to close the borders now and let everyone assimilate to a Western, white, English-speaking way of life.''
Sounds like OBK if I say so myself.
There are some interesting articles out there about the increased enrollment of afro-hispanics with the organization. Not sure I understand the group entirely myself. I would expect you'd find a decent amount of racist people among their ranks despite the membership of afro-hispanics. -
So intentionalRaceBannon said:Its already collapsed and blown over. Just like all the rest
Clean some things up and get back out there
What nobody wants to address is that tripping over some imaginary low bar isn't getting Joe elected
That guy is not fit to lead and America knows it even if our media leaders won't report it
And team joe leapt at two more debates
Fish on
No one ever accused Trump of being quick on his feet.creepycoug said:Swaye said:
I think you nailed it. There are plenty of good decent folks who see BLM and say "they are the real racists basing everything on skin color, being aggrieved, having huge double standards on black v black vs. white v black violence, and being violent in US cities when not getting their way." To the hardcore left, those people who think like that are racists, but to everyone else with a brain nothing about that comment is racist. It's fact, not feeling. The Proud Boys and other groups are not that though. They range from passively to militantly anti-black.creepycoug said:
The worst part about it was that the question was SO OBVIOUSLY canned and served up for him as a test. And while he was in the process of failing the test, the moderator kept nudging him and making it clear that this was a statement question and gave him a couple of chances to get it right and he just kept fucking it up. You could tell the gears were spinning and he made a calculated move. He just calculated badly. Very, very, very badly.thechatch said:I still can’t believe how badly Trump fucked up the condemning hate groups question.
“I condemn racism and hate groups of all kinds, unlike my opponent, who calls black people street predators, and is worried about white kids having to grow up in a racial jungle. My opponent, who supported race riots for months and encouraged domestic terrorists to attack the police and residents of our cities.”
That is low hanging fruit, and Trump fucked up royally with the “stand down and stand by” comment. He basically made himself the commanding officer of the Proud Boys.
We call those unforced errors, imo
I have a sense for the line on which he is dancing. There are plenty of people, both in and outside of his base, who speak plainly and directly about race relations and have politically incorrect views on race according to the left; but those people are not racists. The Tug, for example, is full of those people. I think perhaps Trump and his advisors don't sufficiently appreciate the difference between those people and people like the Proud Boys. If I'm right about that, then that's on him and his people.
In any event, whatever the reason, he wasn't good on his feet on that point and he may have really screwed the pooch. I don't think this one just goes away because of our? short attention span. If I'm on the left, I hammer this point until it's done.
The issue with Trump is he is too politically clumsy to court the first group - rational actors who see the huge double standards and issues with cancel culture and a BLM movement based on tearing down America - without clearly denouncing the second group - actual dyed in the wool get to the back of the bus racists. It's not a super difficult task for a deft public speaker with some real political chops, but Trump wasn't hired for his political chops. He's a bull, and bulls don't do bonsai, they break china (lulz).
Trump blew it hard with that exchange, and it played right into the hands of how the media has been trying to portray him for 4 years. Everyone who isn't a complete brain on fire imbecile knows Trump isn't actually a racist, he is a clumsy politician trying to court a huge rational segment of the electorate with legitimate concerns over issues of race. But, the media has all the ammo they need now to paint him as the Grand Dragon. You have to pitch a perfect game as a GOP candidate in a tight race, when the entire political establishment, ballot fraud, and the media empire is allied against you, and Trump's heater was junk when he needed it most.
Mark me down for Biden in a closer one than people expected. Only caveat is if there are more debates and we get drooling Joe just once.
Lolz. He is a fucking Bull. Great post. I think the answer to the question "do you condemn white supremacy groups" was "What the fuck kind of question is that? Of course I do. Next question." Instead, he asked for names, as if to imply, "Depends on which one you're talking about." It was just a mistake. And like I said in an earlier post, he absolutely TROUNCED Biden on substance. Biden brought literally nothing to the debate. He said absolutely nothing. Anyone who votes for that clown better understand that he is going to be a puppet and will do what he's told by the Democratic power lords that operate behind the curtain. He is literally on his way to assisted living.
During the debate when Biden started getting pissed off, I thought the line of the century could have been, "What, you want to challenge me to some pushups now Joe?" -
Didn't watch/didn't read, but is the "founder's quote" there from Gavin McInness?creepycoug said:
Their founder has certainly danced on the line of white nationalism.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
They aren't white supremacist.Houhusky said:
I know very little about the proud boys other than it was founded by former Vice media founder and its now run by a Enrique Tarrio, an AfroCuban guy.creepycoug said:
The worst part about it was that the question was SO OBBIOUSLY canned and served up for him as a test. And while he was in the process of failing the test, the moderator kept nudging him and making it clear that this was a statement question and gave him a couple of chances to get it right and he just kept fucking it up. You could tell the gears were spinning and he made a calculated move. He just calculated badly. Very, very, very badly.thechatch said:I still can’t believe how badly Trump fucked up the condemning hate groups question.
“I condemn racism and hate groups of all kinds, unlike my opponent, who calls black people street predators, and is worried about white kids having to grow up in a racial jungle. My opponent, who supported race riots for months and encouraged domestic terrorists to attack the police and residents of our cities.”
That is low hanging fruit, and Trump fucked up royally with the “stand down and stand by” comment. He basically made himself the commanding officer of the Proud Boys.
We call those unforced errors, imo
I have a sense for the line on which he is dancing. There are plenty of people, both in and outside of his base, who speak plainly and directly about race relations and have politically incorrect views on race according to the left; but those people are not racists. The Tug, for example, is full of those people. I think perhaps Trump and his advisors don't sufficiently appreciate the difference between those people and people like the Proud Boys. If I'm right about that, then that's on him and his people.
In any event, whatever the reason, he wasn't good on his feet on that point and he may have really screwed the pooch. I don't think this one just goes away because of our? short attention span. If I'm on the left, I hammer this point until it's done.
Here the mini Dateline documentary done by Dateline from a couple years agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7f4b1o6BKM&app=desktop
Are they actually a white supremacist group or are they just labeled that by the media at large?
The media is lazy and/or disingenuous.
In 2002 he stated that he was glad that Brooklyn hipsters were predominantly white. In a separate interview he said, ''I love being white and I think it's something to be very proud of.
“I don't want our culture diluted. We need to close the borders now and let everyone assimilate to a Western, white, English-speaking way of life.''
Sounds like OBK if I say so myself.
There are some interesting articles out there about the increased enrollment of afro-hispanics with the organization. Not sure I understand the group entirely myself. I would expect you'd find a decent amount of racist people among their ranks despite the membership of afro-hispanics.
