Bringing jobs back to america
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Or eliminate disincentives to do stuff in America. And we do subsidize some industries here; ag, aerospace, energy.whatshouldicareabout said:
Americans cost more (higher salaries, employers pay for health insurance in US, etc.).WilburHooksHands said:Let me caveat by saying i dont know shit about any of this...
What are the big hurdles to bringing outsourced jobs and manufacturing back to america? Is the main issue that companies just want the biggest margins possible? Is this just a labor cost issue? TIA
Also, China subsidizes some businesses, meaning that they can sell products at unbeatable prices.
US needs to create incentives for businesses to do stuff in America.
But your first sentence is spot on. -
The only energy we subsidize is renewables. It make American energy more expensive which is stupid since having low energy inputs is a huge manufacturing incentive.
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Good to hear that fossil fuels are renewable.WestlinnDuck said:The only energy we subsidize is renewables. It make American energy more expensive which is stupid since having low energy inputs is a huge manufacturing incentive.
The United States provides a number of tax subsidies to the fossil fuel industry as a means of encouraging domestic energy production. These include both direct subsidies to corporations, as well as other tax benefits to the fossil fuel industry. Conservative estimates put U.S. direct subsidies to the fossil fuel industry at roughly $20 billion per year; with 20 percent currently allocated to coal and 80 percent to natural gas and crude oil.
https://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fact-sheet-fossil-fuel-subsidies-a-closer-look-at-tax-breaks-and-societal-costs#:~:text=Conservative estimates put U.S. direct,total 55 billion euros annually. -
Good question @WilburHooksHands - one that I discuss frequently with my clientele and the other girls at the brothel.
This article does a decent job of explaining some of the roadblocks to returning manufacturing back to the US:
https://hbr.org/2020/04/bringing-manufacturing-back-to-the-u-s-is-easier-said-than-done -
Tax breaks are only “subsidies” if you consider that those dollars belong to the government. Newsflash: people who work in oil and gas still pay taxes.BennyBeaver said:
Good to hear that fossil fuels are renewable.WestlinnDuck said:The only energy we subsidize is renewables. It make American energy more expensive which is stupid since having low energy inputs is a huge manufacturing incentive.
The United States provides a number of tax subsidies to the fossil fuel industry as a means of encouraging domestic energy production. These include both direct subsidies to corporations, as well as other tax benefits to the fossil fuel industry. Conservative estimates put U.S. direct subsidies to the fossil fuel industry at roughly $20 billion per year; with 20 percent currently allocated to coal and 80 percent to natural gas and crude oil.
https://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fact-sheet-fossil-fuel-subsidies-a-closer-look-at-tax-breaks-and-societal-costs#:~:text=Conservative estimates put U.S. direct,total 55 billion euros annually. -
yep, global supply chains, global economyDoog_de_Jour said:Good question @WilburHooksHands - one that I discuss frequently with my clientele and the other girls at the brothel.
This article does a decent job of explaining some of the roadblocks to returning manufacturing back to the US:
https://hbr.org/2020/04/bringing-manufacturing-back-to-the-u-s-is-easier-said-than-done -
Thank you Capt. ObviousNorthwestFresh said:
Tax breaks are only “subsidies” if you consider that those dollars belong to the government. Newsflash: people who work in oil and gas still pay taxes.BennyBeaver said:
Good to hear that fossil fuels are renewable.WestlinnDuck said:The only energy we subsidize is renewables. It make American energy more expensive which is stupid since having low energy inputs is a huge manufacturing incentive.
The United States provides a number of tax subsidies to the fossil fuel industry as a means of encouraging domestic energy production. These include both direct subsidies to corporations, as well as other tax benefits to the fossil fuel industry. Conservative estimates put U.S. direct subsidies to the fossil fuel industry at roughly $20 billion per year; with 20 percent currently allocated to coal and 80 percent to natural gas and crude oil.
https://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fact-sheet-fossil-fuel-subsidies-a-closer-look-at-tax-breaks-and-societal-costs#:~:text=Conservative estimates put U.S. direct,total 55 billion euros annually. -
Conservative estimates put U.S. direct subsidies to the fossil fuel industry at roughly $20 billion per year; with 20 percent currently allocated to coal and 80 percent to natural gas and crude oil. European Union subsidies are estimated to total 55 billion euros annually.BennyBeaver said:
Good to hear that fossil fuels are renewable.WestlinnDuck said:The only energy we subsidize is renewables. It make American energy more expensive which is stupid since having low energy inputs is a huge manufacturing incentive.
The United States provides a number of tax subsidies to the fossil fuel industry as a means of encouraging domestic energy production. These include both direct subsidies to corporations, as well as other tax benefits to the fossil fuel industry. Conservative estimates put U.S. direct subsidies to the fossil fuel industry at roughly $20 billion per year; with 20 percent currently allocated to coal and 80 percent to natural gas and crude oil.
https://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fact-sheet-fossil-fuel-subsidies-a-closer-look-at-tax-breaks-and-societal-costs#:~:text=Conservative estimates put U.S. direct,total 55 billion euros annually.
The only subsidies are the same deductions that any manufacturer gets. What we get is cheap and efficient energy that creates millions of jobs and hundreds of billions in tax revenue. Coal is on its way out because natural gas is so much cheaper. Meanwhile, the subsidies and mandated government renewable standards are costing US taxpayers and electric customers hundreds of billions. -
no argument that we benefit from lower energy costs because of the subsidies(~$650B/year). But you said the only energy we subsidize is renewables, patently false.WestlinnDuck said:
Conservative estimates put U.S. direct subsidies to the fossil fuel industry at roughly $20 billion per year; with 20 percent currently allocated to coal and 80 percent to natural gas and crude oil. European Union subsidies are estimated to total 55 billion euros annually.BennyBeaver said:
Good to hear that fossil fuels are renewable.WestlinnDuck said:The only energy we subsidize is renewables. It make American energy more expensive which is stupid since having low energy inputs is a huge manufacturing incentive.
The United States provides a number of tax subsidies to the fossil fuel industry as a means of encouraging domestic energy production. These include both direct subsidies to corporations, as well as other tax benefits to the fossil fuel industry. Conservative estimates put U.S. direct subsidies to the fossil fuel industry at roughly $20 billion per year; with 20 percent currently allocated to coal and 80 percent to natural gas and crude oil.
https://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fact-sheet-fossil-fuel-subsidies-a-closer-look-at-tax-breaks-and-societal-costs#:~:text=Conservative estimates put U.S. direct,total 55 billion euros annually.
The only subsidies are the same deductions that any manufacturer gets. What we get is cheap and efficient energy that creates millions of jobs and hundreds of billions in tax revenue. Coal is on its way out because natural gas is so much cheaper. Meanwhile, the subsidies and mandated government renewable standards are costing US taxpayers and electric customers hundreds of billions.
another source of federal aid to the fossil fuel industry is the discounted cost of leasing federal lands for fossil fuel extraction.
Coal should be on the way out but trump loves him some coal votes we be putting $$ in that basket too.
Research and Development Subsidies:
DOE Office of Fossil Energy R&D FY2019 Funding (Select Examples)
Coal Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS) and Power Systems: $25 million
Carbon Storage (CCS retrofits at coal and natural gas facilities): $30 million
Advanced Energy Systems: efficiency, reliability & flexible operations: $37 million
National Energy Technology Laboratory Coal Research and Development: $18 million
Unconventional Fossil Energy Technologies (unconventional gas & oil): $13.5 million -
That is incorrect. If a person is a contractor or employ physically in Washington, but is doing remote work for an Oregon company, that is Oregon state taxable income. New in 2018WestlinnDuck said:
That's the result of the Supreme Court Wayfair decision. That only allows the state to tax commercial sales into the state. Oregon can't tax a person working in Washington. Only Washington can do that.MikeDamone said:
They crafty Oregon legislatures in 2019 decided to tax people if their income came from Oregon, regardless if the were physically in Oregon or not. So that 9% can’t be avoided. AllegedlyWestlinnDuck said:With the forced advent of working from home and the subsequent lessons learned, there is going to be a huge inventory of unused commercial real estate space. States with no or low income tax rates are going to make out like banshees. Oregon will attempt next month to raise their top income tax rate from 10% to 13%. Toss in the new 1% Portland Metro. Telecomuting from Vancouver instead of driving to the downtown Portland office will result in at least a 9% wage increase. If you were a hedge fund manager - rather work from Florida in the winter or riot threatened NYC and save 12% in income taxes? The phucking leftards aren't real good at numbers and sh*t.
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westlinn is struggling in this thread. sad.MikeDamone said:
That is incorrect. If a person is a contractor or employ physically in Washington, but is doing remote work for an Oregon company, that is Oregon state taxable income. New in 2018WestlinnDuck said:
That's the result of the Supreme Court Wayfair decision. That only allows the state to tax commercial sales into the state. Oregon can't tax a person working in Washington. Only Washington can do that.MikeDamone said:
They crafty Oregon legislatures in 2019 decided to tax people if their income came from Oregon, regardless if the were physically in Oregon or not. So that 9% can’t be avoided. AllegedlyWestlinnDuck said:With the forced advent of working from home and the subsequent lessons learned, there is going to be a huge inventory of unused commercial real estate space. States with no or low income tax rates are going to make out like banshees. Oregon will attempt next month to raise their top income tax rate from 10% to 13%. Toss in the new 1% Portland Metro. Telecomuting from Vancouver instead of driving to the downtown Portland office will result in at least a 9% wage increase. If you were a hedge fund manager - rather work from Florida in the winter or riot threatened NYC and save 12% in income taxes? The phucking leftards aren't real good at numbers and sh*t.
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Weird. Worked in the industry for years. Never once received a check from the government for anything.BennyBeaver said:
Good to hear that fossil fuels are renewable.WestlinnDuck said:The only energy we subsidize is renewables. It make American energy more expensive which is stupid since having low energy inputs is a huge manufacturing incentive.
The United States provides a number of tax subsidies to the fossil fuel industry as a means of encouraging domestic energy production. These include both direct subsidies to corporations, as well as other tax benefits to the fossil fuel industry. Conservative estimates put U.S. direct subsidies to the fossil fuel industry at roughly $20 billion per year; with 20 percent currently allocated to coal and 80 percent to natural gas and crude oil.
https://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fact-sheet-fossil-fuel-subsidies-a-closer-look-at-tax-breaks-and-societal-costs#:~:text=Conservative estimates put U.S. direct,total 55 billion euros annually.
Sent shitloads of royalty checks to the BLM though.
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If weº must subsidize any energy source, it must be nuclear.
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R&D should be subsidized.GrundleStiltzkin said:If weº must subsidize any energy source, it must be nuclear.
Just look at how horizontal drilling and fracking changed the entire world energy market. -
Typically the janitorial staff at HQ isn't involved with "receiving government checks." HTH.PurpleThrobber said:
Weird. Worked in the industry for years. Never once received a check from the government for anything.BennyBeaver said:
Good to hear that fossil fuels are renewable.WestlinnDuck said:The only energy we subsidize is renewables. It make American energy more expensive which is stupid since having low energy inputs is a huge manufacturing incentive.
The United States provides a number of tax subsidies to the fossil fuel industry as a means of encouraging domestic energy production. These include both direct subsidies to corporations, as well as other tax benefits to the fossil fuel industry. Conservative estimates put U.S. direct subsidies to the fossil fuel industry at roughly $20 billion per year; with 20 percent currently allocated to coal and 80 percent to natural gas and crude oil.
https://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fact-sheet-fossil-fuel-subsidies-a-closer-look-at-tax-breaks-and-societal-costs#:~:text=Conservative estimates put U.S. direct,total 55 billion euros annually.
Sent shitloads of royalty checks to the BLM though. -
Yes - because everyone knows janitors send out royalty checks. Christ. Fuck off and try again.BennyBeaver said:
Typically the janitorial staff at HQ isn't involved with "receiving government checks." HTH.PurpleThrobber said:
Weird. Worked in the industry for years. Never once received a check from the government for anything.BennyBeaver said:
Good to hear that fossil fuels are renewable.WestlinnDuck said:The only energy we subsidize is renewables. It make American energy more expensive which is stupid since having low energy inputs is a huge manufacturing incentive.
The United States provides a number of tax subsidies to the fossil fuel industry as a means of encouraging domestic energy production. These include both direct subsidies to corporations, as well as other tax benefits to the fossil fuel industry. Conservative estimates put U.S. direct subsidies to the fossil fuel industry at roughly $20 billion per year; with 20 percent currently allocated to coal and 80 percent to natural gas and crude oil.
https://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fact-sheet-fossil-fuel-subsidies-a-closer-look-at-tax-breaks-and-societal-costs#:~:text=Conservative estimates put U.S. direct,total 55 billion euros annually.
Sent shitloads of royalty checks to the BLM though.
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Is this more accurate?PurpleThrobber said:
Yes - because everyone knows janitors send out royalty checks. Christ. Fuck off and try again.BennyBeaver said:
Typically the janitorial staff at HQ isn't involved with "receiving government checks." HTH.PurpleThrobber said:
Weird. Worked in the industry for years. Never once received a check from the government for anything.BennyBeaver said:
Good to hear that fossil fuels are renewable.WestlinnDuck said:The only energy we subsidize is renewables. It make American energy more expensive which is stupid since having low energy inputs is a huge manufacturing incentive.
The United States provides a number of tax subsidies to the fossil fuel industry as a means of encouraging domestic energy production. These include both direct subsidies to corporations, as well as other tax benefits to the fossil fuel industry. Conservative estimates put U.S. direct subsidies to the fossil fuel industry at roughly $20 billion per year; with 20 percent currently allocated to coal and 80 percent to natural gas and crude oil.
https://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fact-sheet-fossil-fuel-subsidies-a-closer-look-at-tax-breaks-and-societal-costs#:~:text=Conservative estimates put U.S. direct,total 55 billion euros annually.
Sent shitloads of royalty checks to the BLM though.
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Like all your shit posts, not accurate at all.BennyBeaver said:
Is this more accurate?PurpleThrobber said:
Yes - because everyone knows janitors send out royalty checks. Christ. Fuck off and try again.BennyBeaver said:
Typically the janitorial staff at HQ isn't involved with "receiving government checks." HTH.PurpleThrobber said:
Weird. Worked in the industry for years. Never once received a check from the government for anything.BennyBeaver said:
Good to hear that fossil fuels are renewable.WestlinnDuck said:The only energy we subsidize is renewables. It make American energy more expensive which is stupid since having low energy inputs is a huge manufacturing incentive.
The United States provides a number of tax subsidies to the fossil fuel industry as a means of encouraging domestic energy production. These include both direct subsidies to corporations, as well as other tax benefits to the fossil fuel industry. Conservative estimates put U.S. direct subsidies to the fossil fuel industry at roughly $20 billion per year; with 20 percent currently allocated to coal and 80 percent to natural gas and crude oil.
https://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fact-sheet-fossil-fuel-subsidies-a-closer-look-at-tax-breaks-and-societal-costs#:~:text=Conservative estimates put U.S. direct,total 55 billion euros annually.
Sent shitloads of royalty checks to the BLM though.
