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georgiaduck
georgiaduck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 2,603 Swaye's Wigwam
Chances of Desaun Jackson playing for the Eagles (Whenever they get back on the field). If only Drew Brees discussed a fake Hitler quote defaming Jews instead of standing up for respecting the Flag.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/drew-brees-detractors-largely-silent-over-desean-jacksons-anti-semitic-social-media-posts
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    He's going to play just like Riley Cooper did.

    You saying he shouldn't get to play?
  • georgiaduck
    georgiaduck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 2,603 Swaye's Wigwam
    dnc said:

    He's going to play just like Riley Cooper did.

    You saying he shouldn't get to play?

    I'm not leaning either way because frankly the NFL has lost my interest.

    Do you think the Riley Cooper situation is apples to apples?

    After all, one was a spur of the moment (most likely) alcohol induced tirade. The other seems a little more thought out.

    Either way- it's up to the franchise, and if his 40 time is still decent.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839

    dnc said:

    He's going to play just like Riley Cooper did.

    You saying he shouldn't get to play?

    I'm not leaning either way because frankly the NFL has lost my interest.

    Do you think the Riley Cooper situation is apples to apples?

    After all, one was a spur of the moment (most likely) alcohol induced tirade. The other seems a little more thought out.

    Either way- it's up to the franchise, and if his 40 time is still decent.
    It's pretty close considering Cooper's slur is derogatory to half his team while Jackson's twats don't directly affect anyone in his locker room.

    I support the team addressing both as issues but keeping both employed and on the field
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,883 Founders Club
    I think Brees is a closer comp

    He caved. Jack will double down
  • georgiaduck
    georgiaduck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 2,603 Swaye's Wigwam
    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    He's going to play just like Riley Cooper did.

    You saying he shouldn't get to play?

    I'm not leaning either way because frankly the NFL has lost my interest.

    Do you think the Riley Cooper situation is apples to apples?

    After all, one was a spur of the moment (most likely) alcohol induced tirade. The other seems a little more thought out.

    Either way- it's up to the franchise, and if his 40 time is still decent.
    It's pretty close considering Cooper's slur is derogatory to half his team while Jackson's twats don't directly affect anyone in his locker room.

    I support the team addressing both as issues but keeping both employed and on the field
    So it only affects the locker room? Jackson might want to directly connect with the owner of the team on that one.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    He's going to play just like Riley Cooper did.

    You saying he shouldn't get to play?

    I'm not leaning either way because frankly the NFL has lost my interest.

    Do you think the Riley Cooper situation is apples to apples?

    After all, one was a spur of the moment (most likely) alcohol induced tirade. The other seems a little more thought out.

    Either way- it's up to the franchise, and if his 40 time is still decent.
    It's pretty close considering Cooper's slur is derogatory to half his team while Jackson's twats don't directly affect anyone in his locker room.

    I support the team addressing both as issues but keeping both employed and on the field
    So it only affects the locker room? Jackson might want to directly connect with the owner of the team on that one.
    Not saying it only affects the locker room. If it did then what Jackson did wouldn't need to be apologized for and what Cooper did would be far worse.

    But the locker room is damn sure a consideration.
  • NorthwestFresh
    NorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972
    I think the difference in these two incidents is more about the victim culture we’ve created than it is any sort of hypocrisy. Other than Josh Rosen and Mitchell Schwartz, how many Jewish players are there to be offended? The black players don’t care because the Hitler/Farrakhan quotes don’t offend them personally, just as the NBA can exploit China and ignore the Muslim internment camps because it isn’t happening to them.

    Most people only care for themselves because these younger people have been taught they are all special enough to be offended.

  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165

    dnc said:

    He's going to play just like Riley Cooper did.

    You saying he shouldn't get to play?

    I'm not leaning either way because frankly the NFL has lost my interest.

    Do you think the Riley Cooper situation is apples to apples?

    After all, one was a spur of the moment (most likely) alcohol induced tirade. The other seems a little more thought out.

    Either way- it's up to the franchise, and if his 40 time is still decent.
    Not apples to apples. In some ways Cooper's was worse in that his slur was directly offensive to a large portion of his colleagues. Desean's was worse in the sense that he clearly put thought, as little as he has, into making his post. As you mentioned, it wasn't spur of the moment.

    I generally don't think anyone should be "cancelled" for posting dumb shit at this level. I also don't give a fuck if their employer decides that their dumbfuckness is nonetheless cancel-worthy.
  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165

    I think the difference in these two incidents is more about the victim culture we’ve created than it is any sort of hypocrisy. Other than Josh Rosen and Mitchell Schwartz, how many Jewish players are there to be offended? The black players don’t care because the Hitler/Farrakhan quotes don’t offend them personally, just as the NBA can exploit China and ignore the Muslim internment camps because it isn’t happening to them.

    Most people only care for themselves because these younger people have been taught they are all special enough to be offended.

    It's even worse than that. A cursory glance of responses from around the league shows more players supporting Desean Jackson than denouncing him. Shit, Stephen Jackson (the basketball one) posted an even more ignorant defense of Desean's initial post.

    "So I just read a statement that the Philadelphia Eagles posted regarding DeSean Jackson's comments. He was trying to educate himself, educate people, and he's speaking the truth. Right? He's speaking the truth. You know he don't hate nobody, but he's speaking the truth of the facts that he knows and trying to educate others,"

    Apparently Desean was speaking the truth about Jews wanting to take over the world and oppress black society in the process. That Hitler guy was right all along. Eagles WR Marquise Goodwin then responds with his own endorsement to Stephen Jackson's post.

    Fucking mind boggling.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,883 Founders Club
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,559
    edited July 2020

    I think the difference in these two incidents is more about the victim culture we’ve created than it is any sort of hypocrisy. Other than Josh Rosen and Mitchell Schwartz, how many Jewish players are there to be offended? The black players don’t care because the Hitler/Farrakhan quotes don’t offend them personally, just as the NBA can exploit China and ignore the Muslim internment camps because it isn’t happening to them.

    Most people only care for themselves because these younger people have been taught they are all special enough to be offended.

    It's even worse than that. A cursory glance of responses from around the league shows more players supporting Desean Jackson than denouncing him. Shit, Stephen Jackson (the basketball one) posted an even more ignorant defense of Desean's initial post.

    "So I just read a statement that the Philadelphia Eagles posted regarding DeSean Jackson's comments. He was trying to educate himself, educate people, and he's speaking the truth. Right? He's speaking the truth. You know he don't hate nobody, but he's speaking the truth of the facts that he knows and trying to educate others,"

    Apparently Desean was speaking the truth about Jews wanting to take over the world and oppress black society in the process. That Hitler guy was right all along. Eagles WR Marquise Goodwin then responds with his own endorsement to Stephen Jackson's post.

    Fucking mind boggling.
    People in general have no issues with ignorance as long as the ignorance isn't directed to them. It highlights how hypocritical people truly are. Athletes and other high profile individuals are no different. All they care about is themselves and "their team" (whether it's their race, their gender, their sexual preference, their age, etc) than society in general.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,883 Founders Club
    I've never been one to think athletes need to speak out and this is why.


    Ali was unique in that he was facing 5 years in prison. He was living it


    We know the media wants a certain kind of speaking out. Brees spoke out. Not approved

    I'm not outraged by any of this.
  • NorthwestFresh
    NorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972
    edited July 2020

    I think the difference in these two incidents is more about the victim culture we’ve created than it is any sort of hypocrisy. Other than Josh Rosen and Mitchell Schwartz, how many Jewish players are there to be offended? The black players don’t care because the Hitler/Farrakhan quotes don’t offend them personally, just as the NBA can exploit China and ignore the Muslim internment camps because it isn’t happening to them.

    Most people only care for themselves because these younger people have been taught they are all special enough to be offended.

    It's even worse than that. A cursory glance of responses from around the league shows more players supporting Desean Jackson than denouncing him. Shit, Stephen Jackson (the basketball one) posted an even more ignorant defense of Desean's initial post.

    "So I just read a statement that the Philadelphia Eagles posted regarding DeSean Jackson's comments. He was trying to educate himself, educate people, and he's speaking the truth. Right? He's speaking the truth. You know he don't hate nobody, but he's speaking the truth of the facts that he knows and trying to educate others,"

    Apparently Desean was speaking the truth about Jews wanting to take over the world and oppress black society in the process. That Hitler guy was right all along. Eagles WR Marquise Goodwin then responds with his own endorsement to Stephen Jackson's post.

    Fucking mind boggling.
    People in general have no issues with ignorance as long as the ignorance isn't directed to them. It highlights how simply ignorant people are.
    Selfishness has a lot to do with it for younger people, too. If they ever do get their true Communism, it will be difficult for the old Commies to get the youth to fall in line. Nobody is special, theoretically, in Communism. Yet now if you are in your teens and don’t have your own Instagram and Tik Tok to show how special you are, you’re out of the loop.

    “I’m special, look at me,” doesn’t work in Communism.

    Reconciling those two disparate points seems impossible.
  • georgiaduck
    georgiaduck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 2,603 Swaye's Wigwam
    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    He's going to play just like Riley Cooper did.

    You saying he shouldn't get to play?

    I'm not leaning either way because frankly the NFL has lost my interest.

    Do you think the Riley Cooper situation is apples to apples?

    After all, one was a spur of the moment (most likely) alcohol induced tirade. The other seems a little more thought out.

    Either way- it's up to the franchise, and if his 40 time is still decent.
    It's pretty close considering Cooper's slur is derogatory to half his team while Jackson's twats don't directly affect anyone in his locker room.

    I support the team addressing both as issues but keeping both employed and on the field
    So it only affects the locker room? Jackson might want to directly connect with the owner of the team on that one.
    Not saying it only affects the locker room. If it did then what Jackson did wouldn't need to be apologized for and what Cooper did would be far worse.

    But the locker room is damn sure a consideration.
    Checkaroo- And since America is "Only" 12% black, whites shouldn't be as concerned when people make racial comments. Glad to see it just comes down to numbers.

    BTW- according to this article there are nearly 200K Jewish households in the Philly area. Is that more or less important than the locker room? Tell me again who buys tix/gear/watches games on tv? Is it the locker room guys?

    https://whyy.org/articles/as-jewish-population-in-philly-region-expands-so-does-definition-of-who-is-considered-jewish/
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    He's going to play just like Riley Cooper did.

    You saying he shouldn't get to play?

    I'm not leaning either way because frankly the NFL has lost my interest.

    Do you think the Riley Cooper situation is apples to apples?

    After all, one was a spur of the moment (most likely) alcohol induced tirade. The other seems a little more thought out.

    Either way- it's up to the franchise, and if his 40 time is still decent.
    It's pretty close considering Cooper's slur is derogatory to half his team while Jackson's twats don't directly affect anyone in his locker room.

    I support the team addressing both as issues but keeping both employed and on the field
    So it only affects the locker room? Jackson might want to directly connect with the owner of the team on that one.
    Not saying it only affects the locker room. If it did then what Jackson did wouldn't need to be apologized for and what Cooper did would be far worse.

    But the locker room is damn sure a consideration.
    Checkaroo- And since America is "Only" 12% black, whites shouldn't be as concerned when people make racial comments. Glad to see it just comes down to numbers.

    BTW- according to this article there are nearly 200K Jewish households in the Philly area. Is that more or less important than the locker room? Tell me again who buys tix/gear/watches games on tv? Is it the locker room guys?

    https://whyy.org/articles/as-jewish-population-in-philly-region-expands-so-does-definition-of-who-is-considered-jewish/
    Your reading comprehension is bad.
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,559

    dnc said:

    He's going to play just like Riley Cooper did.

    You saying he shouldn't get to play?

    I'm not leaning either way because frankly the NFL has lost my interest.

    Do you think the Riley Cooper situation is apples to apples?

    After all, one was a spur of the moment (most likely) alcohol induced tirade. The other seems a little more thought out.

    Either way- it's up to the franchise, and if his 40 time is still decent.
    Not apples to apples. In some ways Cooper's was worse in that his slur was directly offensive to a large portion of his colleagues. Desean's was worse in the sense that he clearly put thought, as little as he has, into making his post. As you mentioned, it wasn't spur of the moment.

    I generally don't think anyone should be "cancelled" for posting dumb shit at this level. I also don't give a fuck if their employer decides that their dumbfuckness is nonetheless cancel-worthy.
    I disagree with you on this. Jackson is an athlete and he represents his employer, the Philadelphia Eagles. What he says gets tied directly to the organization, just like if you work for Edward Jones and make an outlandish social media post. Edwards Jones is going to be associated with your posts.

    To the teammates individually it might not matter, but from the grand scale of things, hate speech is hate speech. The size of the audience or representation of the audience should not matter one bit.
  • NorthwestFresh
    NorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972

    dnc said:

    He's going to play just like Riley Cooper did.

    You saying he shouldn't get to play?

    I'm not leaning either way because frankly the NFL has lost my interest.

    Do you think the Riley Cooper situation is apples to apples?

    After all, one was a spur of the moment (most likely) alcohol induced tirade. The other seems a little more thought out.

    Either way- it's up to the franchise, and if his 40 time is still decent.
    Not apples to apples. In some ways Cooper's was worse in that his slur was directly offensive to a large portion of his colleagues. Desean's was worse in the sense that he clearly put thought, as little as he has, into making his post. As you mentioned, it wasn't spur of the moment.

    I generally don't think anyone should be "cancelled" for posting dumb shit at this level. I also don't give a fuck if their employer decides that their dumbfuckness is nonetheless cancel-worthy.
    I disagree with you on this. Jackson is an athlete and he represents his employer, the Philadelphia Eagles. What he says gets tied directly to the organization, just like if you work for Edward Jones and make an outlandish social media post. Edwards Jones is going to be associated with your posts.

    To the teammates individually it might not matter, but from the grand scale of things, hate speech is hate speech. The size of the audience or representation of the audience should not matter one bit.
    Shannon Sharpe actually defended Louis Farrakhan this morning on FS1 as part of his defense of Jackson.

    There will be no repercussions to defending an anti-Semite because we all know why but but there is “systemic racism” in the USA. Clown world.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    He's going to play just like Riley Cooper did.

    You saying he shouldn't get to play?

    I'm not leaning either way because frankly the NFL has lost my interest.

    Do you think the Riley Cooper situation is apples to apples?

    After all, one was a spur of the moment (most likely) alcohol induced tirade. The other seems a little more thought out.

    Either way- it's up to the franchise, and if his 40 time is still decent.
    It's pretty close considering Cooper's slur is derogatory to half his team while Jackson's twats don't directly affect anyone in his locker room.

    I support the team addressing both as issues but keeping both employed and on the field
    So it only affects the locker room? Jackson might want to directly connect with the owner of the team on that one.
    Not saying it only affects the locker room. If it did then what Jackson did wouldn't need to be apologized for and what Cooper did would be far worse.

    But the locker room is damn sure a consideration.
    I doubt the locker room cares. They play football. Most people don’t give a shit what their co-worker says or does unless it’s really bad.
    In Jackson's case I agree completely. It was affecting the Saints locker room which is a big part of why Brees had to apologize.

    And I'm pretty sure Cooper's teammates weren't thrilled he dropped the N word.
  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,569 Standard Supporter
    Well, the restart of the NBA and fall football is going to be a sh*t show of kneeling in support of racist and Marxist organizations. You think any white player that doesn't kneel will be met with anything less than what Brees had to deal with? The networks are ginning up a lot of prep for this. Just like NASCAR with the fake noose incident.
  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,214 Standard Supporter
    If Riley Cooper's thing happened today he'd be out of the league for life because he's white. Jackson gets a pass because he's black. That's the reality.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,883 Founders Club

    Well, the restart of the NBA and fall football is going to be a sh*t show of kneeling in support of racist and Marxist organizations. You think any white player that doesn't kneel will be met with anything less than what Brees had to deal with? The networks are ginning up a lot of prep for this. Just like NASCAR with the fake noose incident.

    Wallace tripled down with comments about stupid fans

    Shitshow
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,129

    Well, the restart of the NBA and fall football is going to be a sh*t show of kneeling in support of racist and Marxist organizations. You think any white player that doesn't kneel will be met with anything less than what Brees had to deal with? The networks are ginning up a lot of prep for this. Just like NASCAR with the fake noose incident.

    Wallace tripled down with comments about stupid fans

    Shitshow
    Bubba's mom criticized that some only see Bubba as a black driver. It's as if the media didn't shove that down people's throats and Bubba had nothing to do with it.
  • NorthwestFresh
    NorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972

    I think the difference in these two incidents is more about the victim culture we’ve created than it is any sort of hypocrisy. Other than Josh Rosen and Mitchell Schwartz, how many Jewish players are there to be offended? The black players don’t care because the Hitler/Farrakhan quotes don’t offend them personally, just as the NBA can exploit China and ignore the Muslim internment camps because it isn’t happening to them.

    Most people only care for themselves because these younger people have been taught they are all special enough to be offended.

    Mitchell Schwartz responds.


  • trublue
    trublue Member Posts: 3,042
    Geoff Schwartz cobbled together a decent NFL career. Started at RT for Ducks as a true freshman. He was in the same class as Max Unger.

    I know a couple of Jewish NFL or Ex-NFL players:
    Julian Adelman;
    Taylor Mays; and last but not least Schwartz’s little brother, Mitchell Schwartz, who is not only smarter (Cal grad), but a better college and pro player than Geoff.

    Geoff is a funny guy . . . Self-proclaimed as a Jewish All-American football player after his senior year at UO.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,046
    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    He's going to play just like Riley Cooper did.

    You saying he shouldn't get to play?

    I'm not leaning either way because frankly the NFL has lost my interest.

    Do you think the Riley Cooper situation is apples to apples?

    After all, one was a spur of the moment (most likely) alcohol induced tirade. The other seems a little more thought out.

    Either way- it's up to the franchise, and if his 40 time is still decent.
    It's pretty close considering Cooper's slur is derogatory to half his team while Jackson's twats don't directly affect anyone in his locker room.

    I support the team addressing both as issues but keeping both employed and on the field
    I think Desean Jackson is too stupid to understand what he said. I'm quite sure he read it somewhere, it sounded bad ass and controversial and he needed some attention.

    Great player; stupid human being. Describes about 95% of my favorite ballers.
  • trublue
    trublue Member Posts: 3,042
    Oops! Screwed that one up. Assumed the Twitter post was from Geoff Schwartz because he does a lot of NFL-related posting on Twitter.
  • LebamDawg
    LebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,787 Swaye's Wigwam
    edited July 2020
    Jackson's statement won't affect anything, if you make stoopid statements and are an athlete playing professionally you skate.

    If you make pro America, Republican, Trump, Bush and so on and so on statements you lose in the public arena.

    Same if you are an artist, actor, hell any kind of entertainer.

    Edit: Life in America and our unbiased media
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,883 Founders Club
    To be fair the backlash was bad enough to make Jackson apologize for getting caught and the Beagles to make some statement of support for the Juden

    I don't understand why people just don't wear the star so we can get back to work