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PostGameOrangeSlices said:
And what a successful mentality that's been. From Kievan Rus getting annihilated by the Mongols to Russia's clusterfuck invasion of Finland in the Winter War, Russian military history is pretty fucking embarrassing.Tequilla said:The whole Russian mentality has always been that quantity (ABUNDANCE) >>> quality
Russia's major historical victories can be attributed to cold weather and bad timing by their enemies. Without freakishly cold weather, Russia would probably still be a part of Napoleonic France.
Scoreboard, baby. Scoreboard.
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Treaties are treaties. According to NATO, attacking Lithuania is an attack on the good ol USA.MikeDamone said:
No fucking way. 10 years ago, yes. Now, we don't have the appetite for any military action...it would be political suicide for the dems. The only way we go to war is if directly attacked by another nation. That's it.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
which is pretty fucking often.Tequilla said:The US won't do shit until the US feels that it's interests are being threatened.
Damone saying that the USA won't go to war when old arch-enemy Russia attacks NATO is retarded.
We might "help" NATO with some planes and bombs like Kosovo, but we won't be involved in any real war. We don't have the resolve in both terms of money and lives. Americans would see even less justification for this than Iraq and Afghanistan. Let the EU figure it out will be our going in position. Guranfuckingtee.
I agree most of the US support will be from the AirForce, but that's all that's really needed to send Russia running back to babushka's dumplings. -
Presidents don't have a fucking thing to do with anything. They are all corporate cronies.MikeDamone said:
And a different president is elected.Tequilla said:Damone's right that we'll let the EU figure it out ... until they prove that they can't figure it out.
Corporate State of America. -
Tell that to the Indians.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Treaties are treaties. According to NATO, attacking Lithuania is an attack on the good ol USA.MikeDamone said:
No fucking way. 10 years ago, yes. Now, we don't have the appetite for any military action...it would be political suicide for the dems. The only way we go to war is if directly attacked by another nation. That's it.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
which is pretty fucking often.Tequilla said:The US won't do shit until the US feels that it's interests are being threatened.
Damone saying that the USA won't go to war when old arch-enemy Russia attacks NATO is retarded.
We might "help" NATO with some planes and bombs like Kosovo, but we won't be involved in any real war. We don't have the resolve in both terms of money and lives.
Americans would see even less justification for this than Iraq and Afghanistan. Let the EU figure it out will be our going in position. Guranfuckingtee.
I agree most of the US support will be from the AirForce, but that's all that's really needed to send Russia running back to babushka's dumplings. -
France is worthless without the UK and the US. The US and the UK pack some major clout, any remaining French clout was killed off in the 6 weeks it took the Deutsches Reich to annex them.PostGameOrangeSlices said:topdawgnc said:
Napoleon and Hitler both believed that too.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I'm notpriapism said:
So then, Putin should move faster on Ukraine?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Uhhh, what?MikeDamone said:
Disagree. The EU is a cluster economically. They won't do shit. Militarily or economically. Their actions will be "strongly condemned" and Obama will tell him to get out of the satellites in "the strongest language possibly" but no one is going to do a fucking thing.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Russia isn't going any further. Most of the satellites worth a shit are in NATO.
If Russia does move against NATO, Europe is more than capable of kicking Russia's ass.
Europe does rely heavily on Russian gas, but Norway and Scandinavia are making plans to build new pipelines. None of Europe likes using Russian gas, they are trying to come up with any alternatives they can to Gazprom fuel.
Putin knows nobody will move to check him.
Ukraine was CarterFS for giving up their nukes ...
The world was too giddy from the love fest after the fall of the Soviet Union to realize history would repeat itself.
America encircled Russia by pulling countries into NATO Bush Sr. promised would not be recruited.
Bush Jr did nothing when tanks rolled into Georgia.
Obama does nothing now with Ukraine.
... Hitler rose to power on the backs of a broken nation looking for a hero. Putin is doing the same.
Europe will do nothing ... America will do nothing.
Leaders of the free world are like a bunch of Cuckolds watching Russia fuck their wives.
You are fucking stupid.
No one gives a fuck about Georgia, and no one really gives a fuck about the Crimea annexation, or Ukraine.
Russia attacking a NATO country is a completely different story. Every NATO member is obligated to declare war on Russia, and they will. No one likes Russia, and Russia doesn't have that strong of a military. France, England, and the US would fuck Russia up.
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How the fuck have any of the 3 advantages that you mention been neutralized, pray tell? Technology can only go so far. It means a little less than jack shit with a country the size of Russia that encompasses 9 time zones. You must be one of the fucktards that thinks an airforce alone is sufficient to do the job. The winters there haven't gotten any softer and would still play a major role in any ground combat. And of course they have plenty of people.Tequilla said:
Toppy,topdawgnc said:
Napoleon and Hitler both believed that too.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
I'm notpriapism said:
So then, Putin should move faster on Ukraine?PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Uhhh, what?MikeDamone said:
Disagree. The EU is a cluster economically. They won't do shit. Militarily or economically. Their actions will be "strongly condemned" and Obama will tell him to get out of the satellites in "the strongest language possibly" but no one is going to do a fucking thing.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.
And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.
Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.
Russia isn't going any further. Most of the satellites worth a shit are in NATO.
If Russia does move against NATO, Europe is more than capable of kicking Russia's ass.
Europe does rely heavily on Russian gas, but Norway and Scandinavia are making plans to build new pipelines. None of Europe likes using Russian gas, they are trying to come up with any alternatives they can to Gazprom fuel.
In general I agree with most of your post.
HOWEVER, I think that there's a MASSIVE difference between the Russia that Napoleon and Hitler tried to invade BY LAND and today's modern technology that will make the challenges that both Napoleon and Hitler faced (notably harsh winters, trying to overtake Russia by land, and the vast number of Russia people).
Ultimately the biggest military advantages that Russia have had have been the weather, the number of people, and their nuclear ability. At least 2 of those 3 are more or less neutralized now. -
You're right, it's pretty embarrassing to have created a cuntry that spans 9 time zones and to be the cuntry that drove the world's most powerful dictator all the way back to Berlin.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
And what a successful mentality that's been. From Kievan Rus getting annihilated by the Mongols to Russia's clusterfuck invasion of Finland in the Winter War, Russian military history is pretty fucking embarrassing.Tequilla said:The whole Russian mentality has always been that quantity (ABUNDANCE) >>> quality
Russia's major historical victories can be attributed to cold weather and bad timing by their enemies. Without freakishly cold weather, Russia would probably still be a part of Napoleonic France. -
Russia has historically been a powerful country, I'm just trying to ruffle feathers with the military history comments.oregonblitzkrieg said:
You're right, it's pretty embarrassing to have created a cuntry that spans 9 time zones and to be the cuntry that drove the world's most powerful dictator all the way back to Berlin.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
And what a successful mentality that's been. From Kievan Rus getting annihilated by the Mongols to Russia's clusterfuck invasion of Finland in the Winter War, Russian military history is pretty fucking embarrassing.Tequilla said:The whole Russian mentality has always been that quantity (ABUNDANCE) >>> quality
Russia's major historical victories can be attributed to cold weather and bad timing by their enemies. Without freakishly cold weather, Russia would probably still be a part of Napoleonic France.
Yes, Russia does cover 8 time zones...7 of which no one really wanted 100 years ago (though the Chinese would really love to have that land, now...).
It also has 1/3 the population of the U.S. and 1/4 the population of the E.U.. -
And they would have an extra one had we not wisely purchased Alaska from them for a cool $7 million.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Russia has historically been a powerful country, I'm just trying to ruffle feathers with the military history comments.oregonblitzkrieg said:
You're right, it's pretty embarrassing to have created a cuntry that spans 9 time zones and to be the cuntry that drove the world's most powerful dictator all the way back to Berlin.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
And what a successful mentality that's been. From Kievan Rus getting annihilated by the Mongols to Russia's clusterfuck invasion of Finland in the Winter War, Russian military history is pretty fucking embarrassing.Tequilla said:The whole Russian mentality has always been that quantity (ABUNDANCE) >>> quality
Russia's major historical victories can be attributed to cold weather and bad timing by their enemies. Without freakishly cold weather, Russia would probably still be a part of Napoleonic France.
Yes, Russia does cover 8 time zones...7 of which no one really wanted 100 years ago (though the Chinese would really love to have that land, now...). -
No country is going to do shit. Russia could roll through Poland tomorrow and we would condemn the fuck out of them. Biden will be pissed. France will tell them it's unacceptable. But we have Sterling to deal with and war sucks and we are against war. So no one does shit.
