Vladimir The Great

DerekJohnson said:

I had hoped this thread was going to be about one of my favorite players, former Expo Vladimir Guerrero.

I was hoping it was going to be about Vlad the Impaler

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

priapism said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.

And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.

Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.

So then, Putin should move faster on Ukraine?

I'm not

MikeDamone said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.

And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.

Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.

Disagree. The EU is a cluster economically. They won't do shit. Militarily or economically. Their actions will be "strongly condemned" and Obama will tell him to get out of the satellites in "the strongest language possibly" but no one is going to do a fucking thing.

Uhhh, what?

Russia isn't going any further. Most of the satellites worth a shit are in NATO.

If Russia does move against NATO, Europe is more than capable of kicking Russia's ass.

Europe does rely heavily on Russian gas, but Norway and Scandinavia are making plans to build new pipelines. None of Europe likes using Russian gas, they are trying to come up with any alternatives they can to Gazprom fuel.

Napoleon and Hitler both believed that too.

Putin knows nobody will move to check him.

Ukraine was CarterFS for giving up their nukes ...

The world was too giddy from the love fest after the fall of the Soviet Union to realize history would repeat itself.

America encircled Russia by pulling countries into NATO Bush Sr. promised would not be recruited.

Bush Jr did nothing when tanks rolled into Georgia.

Obama does nothing now with Ukraine.

... Hitler rose to power on the backs of a broken nation looking for a hero. Putin is doing the same.

Europe will do nothing ... America will do nothing.

Leaders of the free world are like a bunch of Cuckolds watching Russia fuck their wives.

Yeah, but still.

The Ukraine (I'm old school like that and I like to call it THE Ukraine, you know, like THE Ohio State University) is pretty much fucked. Best outcome for the literate Ukrainians in the west is to get their chunk of the country incorporated into EU institutions and NATO eventually. Eastern half becomes some post-Soviet piece of shit like Belarus, probably.

Here's to the new Cold War, same as the old Cold War. The way I see it, this is actually a really good thing in many respects. It gives us military types something to do, and we can have fun setting up new bases in Poland, Romania and the Baltics. New Russia sucks more than old USSR.

topdawgnc said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

priapism said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.

And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.

Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.

So then, Putin should move faster on Ukraine?

I'm not

MikeDamone said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.

And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.

Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.

Disagree. The EU is a cluster economically. They won't do shit. Militarily or economically. Their actions will be "strongly condemned" and Obama will tell him to get out of the satellites in "the strongest language possibly" but no one is going to do a fucking thing.

Uhhh, what?

Russia isn't going any further. Most of the satellites worth a shit are in NATO.

If Russia does move against NATO, Europe is more than capable of kicking Russia's ass.

Europe does rely heavily on Russian gas, but Norway and Scandinavia are making plans to build new pipelines. None of Europe likes using Russian gas, they are trying to come up with any alternatives they can to Gazprom fuel.

Napoleon and Hitler both believed that too.

Putin knows nobody will move to check him.

Ukraine was CarterFS for giving up their nukes ...

The world was too giddy from the love fest after the fall of the Soviet Union to realize history would repeat itself.

America encircled Russia by pulling countries into NATO Bush Sr. promised would not be recruited.

Bush Jr did nothing when tanks rolled into Georgia.

Obama does nothing now with Ukraine.

... Hitler rose to power on the backs of a broken nation looking for a hero. Putin is doing the same.

Europe will do nothing ... America will do nothing.

Leaders of the free world are like a bunch of Cuckolds watching Russia fuck their wives.

I agree with everything that you are saying on that.

There's no desire from the West to either invade or go to war. The biggest muscle that they are willing to throw out there right now is tied to economic sanctions, etc.

There's no doubt that Putin has decided that he's going to take advantage of what others are going to consider not worth fighting for and he views as low hanging fruit.

However, at some point, there will be some point where Putin decides to go one step too far.

MikeDamone said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

topdawgnc said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

priapism said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.

And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.

Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.

So then, Putin should move faster on Ukraine?

I'm not

MikeDamone said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.

And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.

Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.

Disagree. The EU is a cluster economically. They won't do shit. Militarily or economically. Their actions will be "strongly condemned" and Obama will tell him to get out of the satellites in "the strongest language possibly" but no one is going to do a fucking thing.

Uhhh, what?

Russia isn't going any further. Most of the satellites worth a shit are in NATO.

If Russia does move against NATO, Europe is more than capable of kicking Russia's ass.

Europe does rely heavily on Russian gas, but Norway and Scandinavia are making plans to build new pipelines. None of Europe likes using Russian gas, they are trying to come up with any alternatives they can to Gazprom fuel.

Napoleon and Hitler both believed that too.

Putin knows nobody will move to check him.

Ukraine was CarterFS for giving up their nukes ...

The world was too giddy from the love fest after the fall of the Soviet Union to realize history would repeat itself.

America encircled Russia by pulling countries into NATO Bush Sr. promised would not be recruited.

Bush Jr did nothing when tanks rolled into Georgia.

Obama does nothing now with Ukraine.

... Hitler rose to power on the backs of a broken nation looking for a hero. Putin is doing the same.

Europe will do nothing ... America will do nothing.

Leaders of the free world are like a bunch of Cuckolds watching Russia fuck their wives.

You are fucking stupid.

No one gives a fuck about Georgia, and no one really gives a fuck about the Crimea annexation, or Ukraine.

Russia attacking a NATO country is a completely different story. Every NATO member is obligated to declare war on Russia, and they will. No one likes Russia, and Russia doesn't have that strong of a military. France, England, and the US would fuck Russia up.

Christ people on this forum are fucking ignorant

No way does the USA go to war with Russia over places like Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, etc. Obama will draw a red line in the sand, and then nothing. The American people and Obama do not have the stomach for anything close to another war.

The USA WILL go to war if a NATO country like Latvia or Lithuania is attacked. Which is moot, because Russia isn't dumb enough to commit suicide.

Europe learned some very harsh lessons from WW2. There is no fucking way an attack on a NATO nation will be ignored. Every NATO country would be obligated to go to war, and they would. It's not like Putin would stop at Lithuania.

Poland is a country where the scars are still very vivid, and they are modernizing the fuck out of their military right now.

Russia wouldn't need to be invaded by NATO. NATO would bomb the fuck out of anything in Russia resembling a military base/nuclear facility, and that would be that.

The Russian AirForce against the World's is a fucking curbstomping waiting to happen. Russia's AF is outdated and would probably get wiped by fucking France.

Also, the Russian military is full of conscripts, and would get shit on by professional, full-time soldiers from the EU. The Russian military strategy throughout history can be summed up as this: we aren't as strong or well organized as you, but we have fucktons of poorly trained conscripts to charge at you!

Russia is a fucking joke, and it's hilarious that some American's think Putin is this Napoleon-esque badass general. Putin is a fucking washed up KGB strongman that cares about building the wealth of the Russian 0.0001%, and nothing else.

The whole Russian mentality has always been that quantity (ABUNDANCE) >>> quality

AZDuck said:

New Russia sucks more than old USSR.

topdawgnc said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

priapism said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.

And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.

Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.

So then, Putin should move faster on Ukraine?

I'm not

MikeDamone said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.

And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.

Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.

Disagree. The EU is a cluster economically. They won't do shit. Militarily or economically. Their actions will be "strongly condemned" and Obama will tell him to get out of the satellites in "the strongest language possibly" but no one is going to do a fucking thing.

Uhhh, what?

Russia isn't going any further. Most of the satellites worth a shit are in NATO.

If Russia does move against NATO, Europe is more than capable of kicking Russia's ass.

Europe does rely heavily on Russian gas, but Norway and Scandinavia are making plans to build new pipelines. None of Europe likes using Russian gas, they are trying to come up with any alternatives they can to Gazprom fuel.

Napoleon and Hitler both believed that too.

Putin knows nobody will move to check him.

Ukraine was CarterFS for giving up their nukes ...

The world was too giddy from the love fest after the fall of the Soviet Union to realize history would repeat itself.

America encircled Russia by pulling countries into NATO Bush Sr. promised would not be recruited.

Bush Jr did nothing when tanks rolled into Georgia.

Obama does nothing now with Ukraine.

... Hitler rose to power on the backs of a broken nation looking for a hero. Putin is doing the same.

Europe will do nothing ... America will do nothing.

Leaders of the free world are like a bunch of Cuckolds watching Russia fuck their wives.

el oh el, a LOT more.

MikeDamone said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

MikeDamone said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

topdawgnc said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

priapism said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.

And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.

Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.

So then, Putin should move faster on Ukraine?

I'm not

MikeDamone said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.

And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.

Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.

Disagree. The EU is a cluster economically. They won't do shit. Militarily or economically. Their actions will be "strongly condemned" and Obama will tell him to get out of the satellites in "the strongest language possibly" but no one is going to do a fucking thing.

Uhhh, what?

Russia isn't going any further. Most of the satellites worth a shit are in NATO.

If Russia does move against NATO, Europe is more than capable of kicking Russia's ass.

Europe does rely heavily on Russian gas, but Norway and Scandinavia are making plans to build new pipelines. None of Europe likes using Russian gas, they are trying to come up with any alternatives they can to Gazprom fuel.

Napoleon and Hitler both believed that too.

Putin knows nobody will move to check him.

Ukraine was CarterFS for giving up their nukes ...

The world was too giddy from the love fest after the fall of the Soviet Union to realize history would repeat itself.

America encircled Russia by pulling countries into NATO Bush Sr. promised would not be recruited.

Bush Jr did nothing when tanks rolled into Georgia.

Obama does nothing now with Ukraine.

... Hitler rose to power on the backs of a broken nation looking for a hero. Putin is doing the same.

Europe will do nothing ... America will do nothing.

Leaders of the free world are like a bunch of Cuckolds watching Russia fuck their wives.

You are fucking stupid.

No one gives a fuck about Georgia, and no one really gives a fuck about the Crimea annexation, or Ukraine.

Russia attacking a NATO country is a completely different story. Every NATO member is obligated to declare war on Russia, and they will. No one likes Russia, and Russia doesn't have that strong of a military. France, England, and the US would fuck Russia up.

Christ people on this forum are fucking ignorant

No way does the USA go to war with Russia over places like Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, etc. Obama will draw a red line in the sand, and then nothing. The American people and Obama do not have the stomach for anything close to another war.

The USA WILL go to war if a NATO country like Latvia or Lithuania is attacked. Which is moot, because Russia isn't dumb enough to commit suicide.

Europe learned some very harsh lessons from WW2. There is no fucking way an attack on a NATO nation will be ignored. Every NATO country would be obligated to go to war, and they would. It's not like Putin would stop at Lithuania.

Poland is a country where the scars are still very vivid, and they are modernizing the fuck out of their military right now.

Russia wouldn't need to be invaded by NATO. NATO would bomb the fuck out of anything in Russia resembling a military base/nuclear facility, and that would be that.

The Russian AirForce against the World's is a fucking curbstomping waiting to happen. Russia's AF is outdated and would probably get wiped by fucking France.

Also, the Russian military is full of conscripts, and would get shit on by professional, full-time soldiers from the EU. The Russian military strategy throughout history can be summed up as this: we aren't as strong or well organized as you, but we have fucktons of poorly trained conscripts to charge at you!

Russia is a fucking joke, and it's hilarious that some American's think Putin is this Napoleon-esque badass general. Putin is a fucking washed up KGB strongman that cares about building the wealth of the Russian 0.0001%, and nothing else.

Disagree. After the war of the last decade which you could connect to an attack on the USA and the way our citizens and EU governments have reacted...there is no fucking way we or anyone is going to spend the money and lives to defend former soviet satellites. If you think our people went nuts over Afghanistan and Iraq wait until our president says we are spending money and lives on a war like that. No way would congress authorize it or would any president initiate it.

Red line in the sand,..condemning in the strongest language and some weak attempts at economic sanctions is all that would happen. Cook it.

We won't even do shit about WMDs in Syria. Used again last week.

Dude, the threat of Europe getting invaded by Russia is a lot bigger deal than some shitty WMDs in Syria.

So you're saying the NATO treaty is as worthless as the paper it's printed on? I don't buy it. The US and EU will send soldiers and money to defend a NATO ally. They want those countries to remain NATO allies, they don't want the USSR to come back, and they certainly don't want Russia attacking Europe.

But like I said, all this shit is moot because Russia isn't even half as strong as it would need to be to win such a war. AZDuck was right, this current Russia is a fucking shadow of its USSR heyday.

This current situation in Ukraine is like Mike Tyson beating up a homeless man. Washed up, former world power kicking the shit out of someone no one cares about in an effort to stay relevant.

MikeDamone said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

MikeDamone said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

MikeDamone said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

topdawgnc said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

priapism said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.

And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.

Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.

So then, Putin should move faster on Ukraine?

I'm not

MikeDamone said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

Problem is, many of his former satellite countries are now in NATO.

And after the Ukraine clusterfuck, those that aren't really, really want to become members.

Putin's charades are going to hurt Russia far more than it will help it. Now all of Europe wants to get off Russian gas even faster than they previously did, and when that happens, Russia is fucked.

Disagree. The EU is a cluster economically. They won't do shit. Militarily or economically. Their actions will be "strongly condemned" and Obama will tell him to get out of the satellites in "the strongest language possibly" but no one is going to do a fucking thing.

Uhhh, what?

Russia isn't going any further. Most of the satellites worth a shit are in NATO.

If Russia does move against NATO, Europe is more than capable of kicking Russia's ass.

Europe does rely heavily on Russian gas, but Norway and Scandinavia are making plans to build new pipelines. None of Europe likes using Russian gas, they are trying to come up with any alternatives they can to Gazprom fuel.

Napoleon and Hitler both believed that too.

Putin knows nobody will move to check him.

Ukraine was CarterFS for giving up their nukes ...

The world was too giddy from the love fest after the fall of the Soviet Union to realize history would repeat itself.

America encircled Russia by pulling countries into NATO Bush Sr. promised would not be recruited.

Bush Jr did nothing when tanks rolled into Georgia.

Obama does nothing now with Ukraine.

... Hitler rose to power on the backs of a broken nation looking for a hero. Putin is doing the same.

Europe will do nothing ... America will do nothing.

Leaders of the free world are like a bunch of Cuckolds watching Russia fuck their wives.

You are fucking stupid.

No one gives a fuck about Georgia, and no one really gives a fuck about the Crimea annexation, or Ukraine.

Russia attacking a NATO country is a completely different story. Every NATO member is obligated to declare war on Russia, and they will. No one likes Russia, and Russia doesn't have that strong of a military. France, England, and the US would fuck Russia up.

Christ people on this forum are fucking ignorant

No way does the USA go to war with Russia over places like Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, etc. Obama will draw a red line in the sand, and then nothing. The American people and Obama do not have the stomach for anything close to another war.

The USA WILL go to war if a NATO country like Latvia or Lithuania is attacked. Which is moot, because Russia isn't dumb enough to commit suicide.

Europe learned some very harsh lessons from WW2. There is no fucking way an attack on a NATO nation will be ignored. Every NATO country would be obligated to go to war, and they would. It's not like Putin would stop at Lithuania.

Poland is a country where the scars are still very vivid, and they are modernizing the fuck out of their military right now.

Russia wouldn't need to be invaded by NATO. NATO would bomb the fuck out of anything in Russia resembling a military base/nuclear facility, and that would be that.

The Russian AirForce against the World's is a fucking curbstomping waiting to happen. Russia's AF is outdated and would probably get wiped by fucking France.

Also, the Russian military is full of conscripts, and would get shit on by professional, full-time soldiers from the EU. The Russian military strategy throughout history can be summed up as this: we aren't as strong or well organized as you, but we have fucktons of poorly trained conscripts to charge at you!

Russia is a fucking joke, and it's hilarious that some American's think Putin is this Napoleon-esque badass general. Putin is a fucking washed up KGB strongman that cares about building the wealth of the Russian 0.0001%, and nothing else.

Disagree. After the war of the last decade which you could connect to an attack on the USA and the way our citizens and EU governments have reacted...there is no fucking way we or anyone is going to spend the money and lives to defend former soviet satellites. If you think our people went nuts over Afghanistan and Iraq wait until our president says we are spending money and lives on a war like that. No way would congress authorize it or would any president initiate it.

Red line in the sand,..condemning in the strongest language and some weak attempts at economic sanctions is all that would happen. Cook it.

We won't even do shit about WMDs in Syria. Used again last week.

Dude, the threat of Europe getting invaded by Russia is a lot bigger deal than some shitty WMDs in Syria.

So you're saying the NATO treaty is as worthless as the paper it's printed on? I don't buy it. The US and EU will send soldiers and money to defend a NATO ally. They want those countries to remain NATO allies, they don't want the USSR to come back, and they certainly don't want Russia attacking Europe.

But like I said, all this shit is moot because Russia isn't even half as strong as it would need to be to win such a war. AZDuck was right, this current Russia is a fucking shadow of its USSR heyday.

This current situation in Ukraine is like Mike Tyson beating up a homeless man. Washed up, former world power kicking the shit out of someone no one cares about in an effort to stay relevant.

I'm saying the US won't do shit about anything, anywhere.

Disagree.....


if there's one thing the US does like, it's fighting in wars in order to feed the military industrial complex.

DynCorp would love to get paid billions of dollars to do a half-assed job rebuilding the rubble Lithuania and Moscow.

Tequilla said:

The US won't do shit until the US feels that it's interests are being threatened.

which is pretty fucking often.

Damone saying that the USA won't go to war when old arch-enemy Russia attacks NATO is retarded.

Damone's right that we'll let the EU figure it out ... until they prove that they can't figure it out.

Tequilla said:

Damone's right that we'll let the EU figure it out ... until they prove that they can't figure it out.

Then we will lead from behind ...