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Fauci: no school in fall

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  • MelloDawgMelloDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 6,783 Swaye's Wigwam
    doogie said:

    Fuck off.

    My kids and Grandkids remain on Permanent lockdown because they might get my friends sick while they themselves are at No personal risk?
    It’s interesting the immediate reaction is that I’m advocating for there to be no school in the fall. I am not. Those who are in support, however, will say all 3 things I said above. It has little to do with immediate risk to children.
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    the ‘secret’ dats
    MelloDawg said:

    It’s interesting the immediate reaction is that I’m advocating for there to be no school in the fall. I am not. Those who are in support, however, will say all 3 things I said above. It has little to do with immediate risk to children.
    Schools should be Open right NOW!!!
  • Bob_CBob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,715 Swaye's Wigwam
    Fauci specifically asked about the mortality rate.

    He said it’s higher than the basic deaths / infections say.

    Obviously that’s bullshit. I’ve tuned out.

    Now more than ever we need a neutral party to outline everything mathematically and ethically to the masses.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,823


    https://www.wired.com/story/the-case-for-reopening-schools/

    I said this back in March.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 46,155 Standard Supporter
    LebamDawg said:

    The numbers don't lie when it comes to continuing this lock down

    6,000,000 Americans infected = 1.7%

    Deaths

    80,000 = 1.3% of the infected and 0.023 % of the population.

    WE CAN"T RISK OPENING UP


    Edit - I made the numbers up

    So did 'they'.

  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 110,106 Founders Club
    dnc said:



    Elections have consequences
  • jhfstyle24jhfstyle24 Member Posts: 3,255
    edited May 2020
    It's pretty fucking simple (long post alert).

    The fact of the matter is, we don't have enough data to make grand conclusions either direction (def should re-open or def shouldn't). You simply cannot say with 100% confidence what the right move is with our current data.

    But you can, however, create confidence intervals. That isn't very hard. It seems to me all we have to do is look at the total deaths occurring, look at the usual deaths that occur during this same timeframe, and create a confidence interval after taking into account other variables. Then, you look at those deaths, and use underlying data to extrapolate the risk.

    Example (made up numbers, because I don't know):

    From March 15 to May 10, there were 35,000 deaths in New York City. Let's say the usual expected death total is 10,000 deaths.

    The dumbfucks among us will say, oh look, 25,000 excess deaths from coronavirus!

    But, when we look at the underlying numbers, it's actually (reminder that these numbers are pulled out of my ass and complete bullshit): 15,000 confirmed coronavirus deaths, 5,000 potential coronavirus deaths, and 5,000 that have no confirmed link.

    So, we can say from that, the true number is probably closer to 20k.

    And so you can construct a 95% confidence interval that says (this is an estimate, I feel no need to do the math), 19000 - 21000 confirmed deaths from coronavirus in New York City between March 15 to May 15.

    Well, that's certainly not a good number, but you're talking 348,655 CONFIRMED infections. The death rate for cases as reported in the numbers (literally, cases/deaths, for the whole timespan) is 27,175/348,655 = 0.07794237856. If the death rate is really 7.79%, well shit!

    HOWEVER, the Diamond Princess Cruise Ship will give us a better sample. Everybody got tested, so we know the full extent of all cases. 712 cases, 13 deaths = 1.83 % death rate, and that's a population that is a little older and less healthy than NYC. So we can estimate a 1.5% death rate with a case in NYC (and, mind you, that's on the high side).

    Let's extrapolate that out, with our confidence interval, to get the range of confirmed cases.

    Incredibly, our 95% estimated range for coronavirus cases (assuming my bullshit numbers are true, which they aren't) : 1,266,667, 1,400,000.

    See how fucking easy that is? In about 2 minutes of math, you can construct a reasonable interval for both true cases, deaths, and death rate in any location in the world with decent data, just by noting the underlying assumptions.

    But wait, there's more!

    Much has been made of the death rate/age group relationship.

    What if we take those bullshit made up numbers above and look by age group?

    I am far too lazy, but considering the reported death rate for senior citizens being like 15%, we can estimate. That would mean they make up the vast majority of those deaths in our interval - say, 13,000 or so - and further estimation can tell use that there is a total of deaths between 6-8k for anyone under 65.

    There are 8,400,000 people in New York City. About 1 million are 65+.

    So, of the other 7,400,000 people, 6-8k died from the coronavirus. Now you can establish a reasonable estimate for the actual percentage of non-senior citizens who have died.

    0.00081081081, 0.00108108108

    So, we find, from this made up exercise, our NYC death rate for non-senior citizens (among all population, not just cases) is literally .001, or .1 percent. In terms of the cases caught, it's like .4 percent (just an estimate based on the percentage of cases that are seniors vs non seniors).

    Again, this is a bullshit exercise with bullshit numbers, but it is easily conducted and it can be done by anyone with the data from any city.


    From my bullshit exercise, we have found:
    Total cases
    Total deaths
    Death rate by group
    Overall death rate for all population
    Death rate for non-seniors


    And I didn't even remove underlying causes, like:

    Air Quality
    Smoking
    Obesity
    Financial Security

    I mean, for fuck's sake. This took me 10 minutes, albeit without having the real numbers (which I could look up if I wanted to).

    Point is, any fucking mathematician could do this for any location, anywhere, and draw a proper conclusion.

    And yet all our politicians want to do is debate about what the right move is. Just do the fucking math. You can learn this shit in a 10th grade intro stats course.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    jecornel said:

    100% guarantee of riots if they don't have public school this fall.

    Is the country and economy just supposed to rot away?

    And don't pay teachers. That's would be the crown jewel
  • MelloDawgMelloDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 6,783 Swaye's Wigwam
    USMChawk said:

    Had (800) GOT-JUNK swing by on Sunday and pick up a bunch of stuff. Neither of the workers wore masks and they weren’t worried about catching the ‘vid. They’ve been working the entire time and have 4-5 stops a day. Neither one has been sick or met anyone who has been.

    By the way, it cost me over $500.00 to get rid of donatable stuff because Inslee has shut down the charity’s but not the junk yards. How does that jive with his green message? Inslee, you useless fucking twat.

    There are Goodwill stores that are open on the Eastside.

    We’ve been having the landscapers arrive as scheduled and had the house cleaners today. That’s the stand I chose to take (Hi Race!)
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,348

    And don't pay teachers. That's would be the crown jewel
    Since America is built on racist imperialism itd be best if it all crumbled.
  • USMChawkUSMChawk Member Posts: 1,800
    MelloDawg said:

    There are Goodwill stores that are open on the Eastside.

    We’ve been having the landscapers arrive as scheduled and had the house cleaners today. That’s the stand I chose to take (Hi Race!)
    They just opened the one near us and the line of cars stretched over two blocks. Plus, we had a lot of stuff.
  • DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 66,013 Founders Club
    MelloDawg said:

    It’s interesting the immediate reaction is that I’m advocating for there to be no school in the fall. I am not. Those who are in support, however, will say all 3 things I said above. It has little to do with immediate risk to children.
    I get where you're coming from
  • DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 66,013 Founders Club
    USMChawk said:

    Had (800) GOT-JUNK swing by on Sunday and pick up a bunch of stuff. Neither of the workers wore masks and they weren’t worried about catching the ‘vid. They’ve been working the entire time and have 4-5 stops a day. Neither one has been sick or met anyone who has been.

    By the way, it cost me over $500.00 to get rid of donatable stuff because Inslee has shut down the charity’s but not the junk yards. How does that jive with his green message? Inslee, you useless fucking twat.

    I was talking with a neighbor the other day who told me the exact same thing. Goodwill is across the street from her storage facility. But because they have been closed or had limited hours with huge waiting times, she had to hire (800) GOT JUNK to get rid of her stuff for her.
  • DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 66,013 Founders Club





    Even Mello himself will admit that gif was funny.
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