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    UWerentThereManUWerentThereMan Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 3,475
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    I’m not a modeler so don’t listen to me. But it’s odd that they’re making conservative models now and having to adjust them up to keep the people locked in. Just keep the number of deaths high and the model will do what was intended.

    In other words, modelers on day 1 said “there’s no way they’ll shutdown the economy, therefore, 2 million deaths are likely.” Then the economy does shutdown so they adjust the models for that saying 60,000 deaths. Now, “oh shit! The madmen want to go back to normal now? Better double the deaths”

    Model for next year, not next month.
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    KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,751
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    HHusky said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    doogie said:

    HHusky said:

    We will hit 72,000 deaths by Wednesday. How many more weeks would you have had them forecasting 72,000 dead by August 4?

    Why lie? CDC says >38,000 as of today
    no they don't
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    They do, through 5/2, Table 1. Doesn’t mean it’s the correct number, which is the point.
    Those are the NCHS numbers which are based on death certificates (hence they lag by multiple weeks).

    Here are the CDC numbers
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

    TOTAL DEATHS
    67,456
    1,719 New Deaths*
    Now do how many are presumed covid deaths. In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19. The numbers are cooked, Birx even admitted it.

    So let's break down the fear here. Of all of the 70,000 deaths, 60% of them are in a hundred mile radius, 3,000 miles away from the West Coast. As for the rest of the country about half of the deaths originate in nursing homes. Antibody tests performed around the country and world, however flawed, have been pretty consistent that about 4% of the population has it or has had it. So considering that, we are looking at a death rate of .5% of those infected here in Merica.

    The virus is dangerous in the heavily populated areas around New York and to those over 80 elsewhere. To the rest of the country and age groups, it's the flu.

    The "experts" know that a vaccine isn't going to happen anytime soon and they know there are 10 times the people exposed than what has had a positive test. The "experts" have also said that the Swede Strategy was the way to go. But the unholy trinity of the Western shore continues to lie about using science as their guide to reopening, when it's clear it's about control and politics.
    More grist for your conspiracy mill: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/a-mutant-coronavirus-has-emerged-even-more-contagious-than-the-original-study-says/ar-BB13CHNP?ocid=spartandhp
    Sounds scary. I am proud that you took the time to learn that viruses mutate though. Further proves my point that we won't have a vaccine for years if ever.

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    UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 14,397
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    I’m not a modeler so don’t listen to me. But it’s odd that they’re making conservative models now and having to adjust them up to keep the people locked in. Just keep the number of deaths high and the model will do what was intended.

    In other words, modelers on day 1 said “there’s no way they’ll shutdown the economy, therefore, 2 million deaths are likely.” Then the economy does shutdown so they adjust the models for that saying 60,000 deaths. Now, “oh shit! The madmen want to go back to normal now? Better double the deaths”

    Model for next year, not next month.

    I mean, I've only done hundreds of Bayesian regressions but I'm hearing that I need to, "Shut up and listen to the experts!" in government. "It's science."
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    KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,751
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    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    doogie said:

    HHusky said:

    We will hit 72,000 deaths by Wednesday. How many more weeks would you have had them forecasting 72,000 dead by August 4?

    Why lie? CDC says >38,000 as of today
    no they don't
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    They do, through 5/2, Table 1. Doesn’t mean it’s the correct number, which is the point.
    Those are the NCHS numbers which are based on death certificates (hence they lag by multiple weeks).

    Here are the CDC numbers
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

    TOTAL DEATHS
    67,456
    1,719 New Deaths*
    Now do how many are presumed covid deaths. In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19. The numbers are cooked, Birx even admitted it.

    So let's break down the fear here. Of all of the 70,000 deaths, 60% of them are in a hundred mile radius, 3,000 miles away from the West Coast. As for the rest of the country about half of the deaths originate in nursing homes. Antibody tests performed around the country and world, however flawed, have been pretty consistent that about 4% of the population has it or has had it. So considering that, we are looking at a death rate of .5% of those infected here in Merica.

    The virus is dangerous in the heavily populated areas around New York and to those over 80 elsewhere. To the rest of the country and age groups, it's the flu.

    The "experts" know that a vaccine isn't going to happen anytime soon and they know there are 10 times the people exposed than what has had a positive test. The "experts" have also said that the Swede Strategy was the way to go. But the unholy trinity of the Western shore continues to lie about using science as their guide to reopening, when it's clear it's about control and politics.
    - "In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19." This of course is completely false. In actuality there are fewer covid deaths reported in New York than what are considered deaths above normal for the last 5 years.

    As to the rest of your post I actually agree with most of what you posted. The death rate still seems to be somewhere between .65 and .8 heavily concentrated among the olds. Isolate the vulnerable and let the rest of us start opening things up because we can't continue this until a vaccine is widely available (if a vaccine is ever widely available). Multiple countries are getting at least elementary school kids back to school which makes a whole lotta sense considering a total of 8 people under the age of 18 have died from this thing in the US.
    Anywhere from 25-30,000 less people are dying each week than average, in our country since the lock down. But if you die in a Hospital in New York, there's an overwhelming chance that the COD will be COV19.
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    UWerentThereManUWerentThereMan Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 3,475
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    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    doogie said:

    HHusky said:

    We will hit 72,000 deaths by Wednesday. How many more weeks would you have had them forecasting 72,000 dead by August 4?

    Why lie? CDC says >38,000 as of today
    no they don't
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    They do, through 5/2, Table 1. Doesn’t mean it’s the correct number, which is the point.
    Those are the NCHS numbers which are based on death certificates (hence they lag by multiple weeks).

    Here are the CDC numbers
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

    TOTAL DEATHS
    67,456
    1,719 New Deaths*
    Now do how many are presumed covid deaths. In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19. The numbers are cooked, Birx even admitted it.

    So let's break down the fear here. Of all of the 70,000 deaths, 60% of them are in a hundred mile radius, 3,000 miles away from the West Coast. As for the rest of the country about half of the deaths originate in nursing homes. Antibody tests performed around the country and world, however flawed, have been pretty consistent that about 4% of the population has it or has had it. So considering that, we are looking at a death rate of .5% of those infected here in Merica.

    The virus is dangerous in the heavily populated areas around New York and to those over 80 elsewhere. To the rest of the country and age groups, it's the flu.

    The "experts" know that a vaccine isn't going to happen anytime soon and they know there are 10 times the people exposed than what has had a positive test. The "experts" have also said that the Swede Strategy was the way to go. But the unholy trinity of the Western shore continues to lie about using science as their guide to reopening, when it's clear it's about control and politics.
    - "In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19." This of course is completely false. In actuality there are fewer covid deaths reported in New York than what are considered deaths above normal for the last 5 years.

    As to the rest of your post I actually agree with most of what you posted. The death rate still seems to be somewhere between .65 and .8 heavily concentrated among the olds. Isolate the vulnerable and let the rest of us start opening things up because we can't continue this until a vaccine is widely available (if a vaccine is ever widely available). Multiple countries are getting at least elementary school kids back to school which makes a whole lotta sense considering a total of 8 people under the age of 18 have died from this thing in the US.
    Anywhere from 25-30,000 less people are dying each week than average, in our country since the lock down. But if you die in a Hospital in New York, there's an overwhelming chance that the COD will be COV19.
    I think at this point, if you sneezed and a piano fell on your head, you died of the COVID
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    GDSGDS Member Posts: 1,470
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    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    doogie said:

    HHusky said:

    We will hit 72,000 deaths by Wednesday. How many more weeks would you have had them forecasting 72,000 dead by August 4?

    Why lie? CDC says >38,000 as of today
    no they don't
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    They do, through 5/2, Table 1. Doesn’t mean it’s the correct number, which is the point.
    Those are the NCHS numbers which are based on death certificates (hence they lag by multiple weeks).

    Here are the CDC numbers
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

    TOTAL DEATHS
    67,456
    1,719 New Deaths*
    Now do how many are presumed covid deaths. In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19. The numbers are cooked, Birx even admitted it.

    So let's break down the fear here. Of all of the 70,000 deaths, 60% of them are in a hundred mile radius, 3,000 miles away from the West Coast. As for the rest of the country about half of the deaths originate in nursing homes. Antibody tests performed around the country and world, however flawed, have been pretty consistent that about 4% of the population has it or has had it. So considering that, we are looking at a death rate of .5% of those infected here in Merica.

    The virus is dangerous in the heavily populated areas around New York and to those over 80 elsewhere. To the rest of the country and age groups, it's the flu.

    The "experts" know that a vaccine isn't going to happen anytime soon and they know there are 10 times the people exposed than what has had a positive test. The "experts" have also said that the Swede Strategy was the way to go. But the unholy trinity of the Western shore continues to lie about using science as their guide to reopening, when it's clear it's about control and politics.
    - "In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19." This of course is completely false. In actuality there are fewer covid deaths reported in New York than what are considered deaths above normal for the last 5 years.

    As to the rest of your post I actually agree with most of what you posted. The death rate still seems to be somewhere between .65 and .8 heavily concentrated among the olds. Isolate the vulnerable and let the rest of us start opening things up because we can't continue this until a vaccine is widely available (if a vaccine is ever widely available). Multiple countries are getting at least elementary school kids back to school which makes a whole lotta sense considering a total of 8 people under the age of 18 have died from this thing in the US.
    Anywhere from 25-30,000 less people are dying each week than average, in our country since the lock down. But if you die in a Hospital in New York, there's an overwhelming chance that the COD will be COV19.
    Again - more bullshit. On average about 50-55k people die in the US each week. So you think the death rate has fallen by 50-60% since March...lol? I realize why you think that as again you are relying on NCHS data which lags by as much as 8 weeks but your claim is false.

    Looking strictly at NYC from March 8th to April 11th there were approximately 11,900 deaths per week above average. Of those deaths above average only 85% of them were directly linked to Covid. Based upon that it's possible (likely?) that the covid deaths in NYC are actually being undercounted at least slightly.
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 31,278
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    My friend had his mother in law die recently. Not from the virus. But of course they listed it as a virus death. Fed money doesn't flow otherwise. His wife was livid and complained. It took two weeks to get the proper cause of death listed and they held up releasing the body for that long as well.

    So if you think the numbers aren't being cooked you're daft.

    If you think people won't say fuck it and accept the cause of death instead of going through all the bullshit they went through you're wrong.
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    HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 19,335
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    Sledog said:

    My friend had his mother in law die recently. Not from the virus. But of course they listed it as a virus death. Fed money doesn't flow otherwise. His wife was livid and complained. It took two weeks to get the proper cause of death listed and they held up releasing the body for that long as well.

    So if you think the numbers aren't being cooked you're daft.

    If you think people won't say fuck it and accept the cause of death instead of going through all the bullshit they went through you're wrong.

    A private Idaho is it?
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 31,278
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    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    My friend had his mother in law die recently. Not from the virus. But of course they listed it as a virus death. Fed money doesn't flow otherwise. His wife was livid and complained. It took two weeks to get the proper cause of death listed and they held up releasing the body for that long as well.

    So if you think the numbers aren't being cooked you're daft.

    If you think people won't say fuck it and accept the cause of death instead of going through all the bullshit they went through you're wrong.

    A private Idaho is it?
    Kalifornia.
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    UWerentThereManUWerentThereMan Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 3,475
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    Sledog said:

    My friend had his mother in law die recently. Not from the virus. But of course they listed it as a virus death. Fed money doesn't flow otherwise. His wife was livid and complained. It took two weeks to get the proper cause of death listed and they held up releasing the body for that long as well.

    So if you think the numbers aren't being cooked you're daft.

    If you think people won't say fuck it and accept the cause of death instead of going through all the bullshit they went through you're wrong.

    Scott Adams on how flu deaths are counted. Jump to 14:24
    https://youtu.be/ILzjaHrhO2c?t=864
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    KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,751
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    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    doogie said:

    HHusky said:

    We will hit 72,000 deaths by Wednesday. How many more weeks would you have had them forecasting 72,000 dead by August 4?

    Why lie? CDC says >38,000 as of today
    no they don't
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    They do, through 5/2, Table 1. Doesn’t mean it’s the correct number, which is the point.
    Those are the NCHS numbers which are based on death certificates (hence they lag by multiple weeks).

    Here are the CDC numbers
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

    TOTAL DEATHS
    67,456
    1,719 New Deaths*
    Now do how many are presumed covid deaths. In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19. The numbers are cooked, Birx even admitted it.

    So let's break down the fear here. Of all of the 70,000 deaths, 60% of them are in a hundred mile radius, 3,000 miles away from the West Coast. As for the rest of the country about half of the deaths originate in nursing homes. Antibody tests performed around the country and world, however flawed, have been pretty consistent that about 4% of the population has it or has had it. So considering that, we are looking at a death rate of .5% of those infected here in Merica.

    The virus is dangerous in the heavily populated areas around New York and to those over 80 elsewhere. To the rest of the country and age groups, it's the flu.

    The "experts" know that a vaccine isn't going to happen anytime soon and they know there are 10 times the people exposed than what has had a positive test. The "experts" have also said that the Swede Strategy was the way to go. But the unholy trinity of the Western shore continues to lie about using science as their guide to reopening, when it's clear it's about control and politics.
    - "In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19." This of course is completely false. In actuality there are fewer covid deaths reported in New York than what are considered deaths above normal for the last 5 years.

    As to the rest of your post I actually agree with most of what you posted. The death rate still seems to be somewhere between .65 and .8 heavily concentrated among the olds. Isolate the vulnerable and let the rest of us start opening things up because we can't continue this until a vaccine is widely available (if a vaccine is ever widely available). Multiple countries are getting at least elementary school kids back to school which makes a whole lotta sense considering a total of 8 people under the age of 18 have died from this thing in the US.
    Anywhere from 25-30,000 less people are dying each week than average, in our country since the lock down. But if you die in a Hospital in New York, there's an overwhelming chance that the COD will be COV19.
    Again - more bullshit. On average about 50-55k people die in the US each week. So you think the death rate has fallen by 50-60% since March...lol? I realize why you think that as again you are relying on NCHS data which lags by as much as 8 weeks but your claim is false.

    Looking strictly at NYC from March 8th to April 11th there were approximately 11,900 deaths per week above average. Of those deaths above average only 85% of them were directly linked to Covid. Based upon that it's possible (likely?) that the covid deaths in NYC are actually being undercounted at least slightly.
    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    doogie said:

    HHusky said:

    We will hit 72,000 deaths by Wednesday. How many more weeks would you have had them forecasting 72,000 dead by August 4?

    Why lie? CDC says >38,000 as of today
    no they don't
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    They do, through 5/2, Table 1. Doesn’t mean it’s the correct number, which is the point.
    Those are the NCHS numbers which are based on death certificates (hence they lag by multiple weeks).

    Here are the CDC numbers
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

    TOTAL DEATHS
    67,456
    1,719 New Deaths*
    Now do how many are presumed covid deaths. In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19. The numbers are cooked, Birx even admitted it.

    So let's break down the fear here. Of all of the 70,000 deaths, 60% of them are in a hundred mile radius, 3,000 miles away from the West Coast. As for the rest of the country about half of the deaths originate in nursing homes. Antibody tests performed around the country and world, however flawed, have been pretty consistent that about 4% of the population has it or has had it. So considering that, we are looking at a death rate of .5% of those infected here in Merica.

    The virus is dangerous in the heavily populated areas around New York and to those over 80 elsewhere. To the rest of the country and age groups, it's the flu.

    The "experts" know that a vaccine isn't going to happen anytime soon and they know there are 10 times the people exposed than what has had a positive test. The "experts" have also said that the Swede Strategy was the way to go. But the unholy trinity of the Western shore continues to lie about using science as their guide to reopening, when it's clear it's about control and politics.
    - "In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19." This of course is completely false. In actuality there are fewer covid deaths reported in New York than what are considered deaths above normal for the last 5 years.

    As to the rest of your post I actually agree with most of what you posted. The death rate still seems to be somewhere between .65 and .8 heavily concentrated among the olds. Isolate the vulnerable and let the rest of us start opening things up because we can't continue this until a vaccine is widely available (if a vaccine is ever widely available). Multiple countries are getting at least elementary school kids back to school which makes a whole lotta sense considering a total of 8 people under the age of 18 have died from this thing in the US.
    Anywhere from 25-30,000 less people are dying each week than average, in our country since the lock down. But if you die in a Hospital in New York, there's an overwhelming chance that the COD will be COV19.
    Again - more bullshit. On average about 50-55k people die in the US each week. So you think the death rate has fallen by 50-60% since March...lol? I realize why you think that as again you are relying on NCHS data which lags by as much as 8 weeks but your claim is false.

    Looking strictly at NYC from March 8th to April 11th there were approximately 11,900 deaths per week above average. Of those deaths above average only 85% of them were directly linked to Covid. Based upon that it's possible (likely?) that the covid deaths in NYC are actually being undercounted at least slightly.

    It's been reported from doctors, hospital admins, funeral directors, Dr Birx, etc, etc. that New York deaths and deaths all over the country are being rubber stamped as covid without ever being tested. Hospitals are going broke and they get 4 times the Federal dollars for a covid death than not and the Government is encouraging it

    And I call bullshit on 12,000 more people than average died per week in New York that month. That would mean that 40% of Americans that died, did so in New York. By your numbers, not mine.

    Of course Cuomo just pulled out another 1400 nursing home deaths today out of nowhere. If you consider that fraud as evidence, as why it's under reported, I can't help you.


    And Man if we are looking for boogeymen. How can we not have Dibliasio and Cuomo at the head of the charts. The mayor on March 11 balked at closing down Broadway and said he fully intended on having the St Patricks parade. Cuomo on Feb 27th compared it to the flu and said it wasn't a threat via tweet.

    In early April when it became clear that the nursing homes in New York were being ravaged. They made no effort to move Seniors out of there. They just let them stew in the virus and infect anyone who dared walk into those petri dishes from hell. Why didn't they use the ship and other temporary facilities to get them out of the nursing homes, so that they could fumigated? Nope. He just would spend 2 hours every morning crying but Trump, Trump, Trump.

    Another major factor of infection and death was public transpo. Until this week, they were being "sanitized" every 3 days. And finally this week, they are sanitizing every day for 4 hours. Why did this not happen 6 weeks ago???? How many hundreds if not thousands of people died just because of that?

    The leadership of New York has not only failed their state but they have failed the whole country with their ineptness. They are up to their necks in blood.
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    HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 19,335
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    HHusky said:

    We will hit 72,000 deaths by Wednesday. How many more weeks would you have had them forecasting 72,000 dead by August 4?

    It didn't even take till Wednesday.
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    GDSGDS Member Posts: 1,470
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    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    doogie said:

    HHusky said:

    We will hit 72,000 deaths by Wednesday. How many more weeks would you have had them forecasting 72,000 dead by August 4?

    Why lie? CDC says >38,000 as of today
    no they don't
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    They do, through 5/2, Table 1. Doesn’t mean it’s the correct number, which is the point.
    Those are the NCHS numbers which are based on death certificates (hence they lag by multiple weeks).

    Here are the CDC numbers
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

    TOTAL DEATHS
    67,456
    1,719 New Deaths*
    Now do how many are presumed covid deaths. In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19. The numbers are cooked, Birx even admitted it.

    So let's break down the fear here. Of all of the 70,000 deaths, 60% of them are in a hundred mile radius, 3,000 miles away from the West Coast. As for the rest of the country about half of the deaths originate in nursing homes. Antibody tests performed around the country and world, however flawed, have been pretty consistent that about 4% of the population has it or has had it. So considering that, we are looking at a death rate of .5% of those infected here in Merica.

    The virus is dangerous in the heavily populated areas around New York and to those over 80 elsewhere. To the rest of the country and age groups, it's the flu.

    The "experts" know that a vaccine isn't going to happen anytime soon and they know there are 10 times the people exposed than what has had a positive test. The "experts" have also said that the Swede Strategy was the way to go. But the unholy trinity of the Western shore continues to lie about using science as their guide to reopening, when it's clear it's about control and politics.
    - "In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19." This of course is completely false. In actuality there are fewer covid deaths reported in New York than what are considered deaths above normal for the last 5 years.

    As to the rest of your post I actually agree with most of what you posted. The death rate still seems to be somewhere between .65 and .8 heavily concentrated among the olds. Isolate the vulnerable and let the rest of us start opening things up because we can't continue this until a vaccine is widely available (if a vaccine is ever widely available). Multiple countries are getting at least elementary school kids back to school which makes a whole lotta sense considering a total of 8 people under the age of 18 have died from this thing in the US.
    Anywhere from 25-30,000 less people are dying each week than average, in our country since the lock down. But if you die in a Hospital in New York, there's an overwhelming chance that the COD will be COV19.
    Again - more bullshit. On average about 50-55k people die in the US each week. So you think the death rate has fallen by 50-60% since March...lol? I realize why you think that as again you are relying on NCHS data which lags by as much as 8 weeks but your claim is false.

    Looking strictly at NYC from March 8th to April 11th there were approximately 11,900 deaths per week above average. Of those deaths above average only 85% of them were directly linked to Covid. Based upon that it's possible (likely?) that the covid deaths in NYC are actually being undercounted at least slightly.
    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    doogie said:

    HHusky said:

    We will hit 72,000 deaths by Wednesday. How many more weeks would you have had them forecasting 72,000 dead by August 4?

    Why lie? CDC says >38,000 as of today
    no they don't
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    They do, through 5/2, Table 1. Doesn’t mean it’s the correct number, which is the point.
    Those are the NCHS numbers which are based on death certificates (hence they lag by multiple weeks).

    Here are the CDC numbers
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

    TOTAL DEATHS
    67,456
    1,719 New Deaths*
    Now do how many are presumed covid deaths. In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19. The numbers are cooked, Birx even admitted it.

    So let's break down the fear here. Of all of the 70,000 deaths, 60% of them are in a hundred mile radius, 3,000 miles away from the West Coast. As for the rest of the country about half of the deaths originate in nursing homes. Antibody tests performed around the country and world, however flawed, have been pretty consistent that about 4% of the population has it or has had it. So considering that, we are looking at a death rate of .5% of those infected here in Merica.

    The virus is dangerous in the heavily populated areas around New York and to those over 80 elsewhere. To the rest of the country and age groups, it's the flu.

    The "experts" know that a vaccine isn't going to happen anytime soon and they know there are 10 times the people exposed than what has had a positive test. The "experts" have also said that the Swede Strategy was the way to go. But the unholy trinity of the Western shore continues to lie about using science as their guide to reopening, when it's clear it's about control and politics.
    - "In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19." This of course is completely false. In actuality there are fewer covid deaths reported in New York than what are considered deaths above normal for the last 5 years.

    As to the rest of your post I actually agree with most of what you posted. The death rate still seems to be somewhere between .65 and .8 heavily concentrated among the olds. Isolate the vulnerable and let the rest of us start opening things up because we can't continue this until a vaccine is widely available (if a vaccine is ever widely available). Multiple countries are getting at least elementary school kids back to school which makes a whole lotta sense considering a total of 8 people under the age of 18 have died from this thing in the US.
    Anywhere from 25-30,000 less people are dying each week than average, in our country since the lock down. But if you die in a Hospital in New York, there's an overwhelming chance that the COD will be COV19.
    Again - more bullshit. On average about 50-55k people die in the US each week. So you think the death rate has fallen by 50-60% since March...lol? I realize why you think that as again you are relying on NCHS data which lags by as much as 8 weeks but your claim is false.

    Looking strictly at NYC from March 8th to April 11th there were approximately 11,900 deaths per week above average. Of those deaths above average only 85% of them were directly linked to Covid. Based upon that it's possible (likely?) that the covid deaths in NYC are actually being undercounted at least slightly.

    It's been reported from doctors, hospital admins, funeral directors, Dr Birx, etc, etc. that New York deaths and deaths all over the country are being rubber stamped as covid without ever being tested. Hospitals are going broke and they get 4 times the Federal dollars for a covid death than not and the Government is encouraging it

    And I call bullshit on 12,000 more people than average died per week in New York that month. That would mean that 40% of Americans that died, did so in New York. By your numbers, not mine.

    Of course Cuomo just pulled out another 1400 nursing home deaths today out of nowhere. If you consider that fraud as evidence, as why it's under reported, I can't help you.


    And Man if we are looking for boogeymen. How can we not have Dibliasio and Cuomo at the head of the charts. The mayor on March 11 balked at closing down Broadway and said he fully intended on having the St Patricks parade. Cuomo on Feb 27th compared it to the flu and said it wasn't a threat via tweet.

    In early April when it became clear that the nursing homes in New York were being ravaged. They made no effort to move Seniors out of there. They just let them stew in the virus and infect anyone who dared walk into those petri dishes from hell. Why didn't they use the ship and other temporary facilities to get them out of the nursing homes, so that they could fumigated? Nope. He just would spend 2 hours every morning crying but Trump, Trump, Trump.

    Another major factor of infection and death was public transpo. Until this week, they were being "sanitized" every 3 days. And finally this week, they are sanitizing every day for 4 hours. Why did this not happen 6 weeks ago???? How many hundreds if not thousands of people died just because of that?

    The leadership of New York has not only failed their state but they have failed the whole country with their ineptness. They are up to their necks in blood.
    No they don’t. Do you get your news from bullshit Facebook memes? As part of the stimulus Medicare increased reimbursement for covid patients by 20% and agreed to cover uninsured patients. Do you really think that 20% is leading hospitals to commit widespread fraud?
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    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    doogie said:

    HHusky said:

    We will hit 72,000 deaths by Wednesday. How many more weeks would you have had them forecasting 72,000 dead by August 4?

    Why lie? CDC says >38,000 as of today
    no they don't
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    They do, through 5/2, Table 1. Doesn’t mean it’s the correct number, which is the point.
    Those are the NCHS numbers which are based on death certificates (hence they lag by multiple weeks).

    Here are the CDC numbers
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

    TOTAL DEATHS
    67,456
    1,719 New Deaths*
    Now do how many are presumed covid deaths. In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19. The numbers are cooked, Birx even admitted it.

    So let's break down the fear here. Of all of the 70,000 deaths, 60% of them are in a hundred mile radius, 3,000 miles away from the West Coast. As for the rest of the country about half of the deaths originate in nursing homes. Antibody tests performed around the country and world, however flawed, have been pretty consistent that about 4% of the population has it or has had it. So considering that, we are looking at a death rate of .5% of those infected here in Merica.

    The virus is dangerous in the heavily populated areas around New York and to those over 80 elsewhere. To the rest of the country and age groups, it's the flu.

    The "experts" know that a vaccine isn't going to happen anytime soon and they know there are 10 times the people exposed than what has had a positive test. The "experts" have also said that the Swede Strategy was the way to go. But the unholy trinity of the Western shore continues to lie about using science as their guide to reopening, when it's clear it's about control and politics.
    - "In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19." This of course is completely false. In actuality there are fewer covid deaths reported in New York than what are considered deaths above normal for the last 5 years.

    As to the rest of your post I actually agree with most of what you posted. The death rate still seems to be somewhere between .65 and .8 heavily concentrated among the olds. Isolate the vulnerable and let the rest of us start opening things up because we can't continue this until a vaccine is widely available (if a vaccine is ever widely available). Multiple countries are getting at least elementary school kids back to school which makes a whole lotta sense considering a total of 8 people under the age of 18 have died from this thing in the US.
    Anywhere from 25-30,000 less people are dying each week than average, in our country since the lock down. But if you die in a Hospital in New York, there's an overwhelming chance that the COD will be COV19.
    Again - more bullshit. On average about 50-55k people die in the US each week. So you think the death rate has fallen by 50-60% since March...lol? I realize why you think that as again you are relying on NCHS data which lags by as much as 8 weeks but your claim is false.

    Looking strictly at NYC from March 8th to April 11th there were approximately 11,900 deaths per week above average. Of those deaths above average only 85% of them were directly linked to Covid. Based upon that it's possible (likely?) that the covid deaths in NYC are actually being undercounted at least slightly.
    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    doogie said:

    HHusky said:

    We will hit 72,000 deaths by Wednesday. How many more weeks would you have had them forecasting 72,000 dead by August 4?

    Why lie? CDC says >38,000 as of today
    no they don't
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    They do, through 5/2, Table 1. Doesn’t mean it’s the correct number, which is the point.
    Those are the NCHS numbers which are based on death certificates (hence they lag by multiple weeks).

    Here are the CDC numbers
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

    TOTAL DEATHS
    67,456
    1,719 New Deaths*
    Now do how many are presumed covid deaths. In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19. The numbers are cooked, Birx even admitted it.

    So let's break down the fear here. Of all of the 70,000 deaths, 60% of them are in a hundred mile radius, 3,000 miles away from the West Coast. As for the rest of the country about half of the deaths originate in nursing homes. Antibody tests performed around the country and world, however flawed, have been pretty consistent that about 4% of the population has it or has had it. So considering that, we are looking at a death rate of .5% of those infected here in Merica.

    The virus is dangerous in the heavily populated areas around New York and to those over 80 elsewhere. To the rest of the country and age groups, it's the flu.

    The "experts" know that a vaccine isn't going to happen anytime soon and they know there are 10 times the people exposed than what has had a positive test. The "experts" have also said that the Swede Strategy was the way to go. But the unholy trinity of the Western shore continues to lie about using science as their guide to reopening, when it's clear it's about control and politics.
    - "In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19." This of course is completely false. In actuality there are fewer covid deaths reported in New York than what are considered deaths above normal for the last 5 years.

    As to the rest of your post I actually agree with most of what you posted. The death rate still seems to be somewhere between .65 and .8 heavily concentrated among the olds. Isolate the vulnerable and let the rest of us start opening things up because we can't continue this until a vaccine is widely available (if a vaccine is ever widely available). Multiple countries are getting at least elementary school kids back to school which makes a whole lotta sense considering a total of 8 people under the age of 18 have died from this thing in the US.
    Anywhere from 25-30,000 less people are dying each week than average, in our country since the lock down. But if you die in a Hospital in New York, there's an overwhelming chance that the COD will be COV19.
    Again - more bullshit. On average about 50-55k people die in the US each week. So you think the death rate has fallen by 50-60% since March...lol? I realize why you think that as again you are relying on NCHS data which lags by as much as 8 weeks but your claim is false.

    Looking strictly at NYC from March 8th to April 11th there were approximately 11,900 deaths per week above average. Of those deaths above average only 85% of them were directly linked to Covid. Based upon that it's possible (likely?) that the covid deaths in NYC are actually being undercounted at least slightly.

    It's been reported from doctors, hospital admins, funeral directors, Dr Birx, etc, etc. that New York deaths and deaths all over the country are being rubber stamped as covid without ever being tested. Hospitals are going broke and they get 4 times the Federal dollars for a covid death than not and the Government is encouraging it

    And I call bullshit on 12,000 more people than average died per week in New York that month. That would mean that 40% of Americans that died, did so in New York. By your numbers, not mine.

    Of course Cuomo just pulled out another 1400 nursing home deaths today out of nowhere. If you consider that fraud as evidence, as why it's under reported, I can't help you.


    And Man if we are looking for boogeymen. How can we not have Dibliasio and Cuomo at the head of the charts. The mayor on March 11 balked at closing down Broadway and said he fully intended on having the St Patricks parade. Cuomo on Feb 27th compared it to the flu and said it wasn't a threat via tweet.

    In early April when it became clear that the nursing homes in New York were being ravaged. They made no effort to move Seniors out of there. They just let them stew in the virus and infect anyone who dared walk into those petri dishes from hell. Why didn't they use the ship and other temporary facilities to get them out of the nursing homes, so that they could fumigated? Nope. He just would spend 2 hours every morning crying but Trump, Trump, Trump.

    Another major factor of infection and death was public transpo. Until this week, they were being "sanitized" every 3 days. And finally this week, they are sanitizing every day for 4 hours. Why did this not happen 6 weeks ago???? How many hundreds if not thousands of people died just because of that?

    The leadership of New York has not only failed their state but they have failed the whole country with their ineptness. They are up to their necks in blood.
    No they don’t. Do you get your news from bullshit Facebook memes? As part of the stimulus Medicare increased reimbursement for covid patients by 20% and agreed to cover uninsured patients. Do you really think that 20% is leading hospitals to commit widespread fraud?
    $39,000 if they die. $11,000 if they get on a vent and live. Pretty common knowledge by now.
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    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    doogie said:

    HHusky said:

    We will hit 72,000 deaths by Wednesday. How many more weeks would you have had them forecasting 72,000 dead by August 4?

    Why lie? CDC says >38,000 as of today
    no they don't
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    They do, through 5/2, Table 1. Doesn’t mean it’s the correct number, which is the point.
    Those are the NCHS numbers which are based on death certificates (hence they lag by multiple weeks).

    Here are the CDC numbers
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

    TOTAL DEATHS
    67,456
    1,719 New Deaths*
    Now do how many are presumed covid deaths. In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19. The numbers are cooked, Birx even admitted it.

    So let's break down the fear here. Of all of the 70,000 deaths, 60% of them are in a hundred mile radius, 3,000 miles away from the West Coast. As for the rest of the country about half of the deaths originate in nursing homes. Antibody tests performed around the country and world, however flawed, have been pretty consistent that about 4% of the population has it or has had it. So considering that, we are looking at a death rate of .5% of those infected here in Merica.

    The virus is dangerous in the heavily populated areas around New York and to those over 80 elsewhere. To the rest of the country and age groups, it's the flu.

    The "experts" know that a vaccine isn't going to happen anytime soon and they know there are 10 times the people exposed than what has had a positive test. The "experts" have also said that the Swede Strategy was the way to go. But the unholy trinity of the Western shore continues to lie about using science as their guide to reopening, when it's clear it's about control and politics.
    - "In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19." This of course is completely false. In actuality there are fewer covid deaths reported in New York than what are considered deaths above normal for the last 5 years.

    As to the rest of your post I actually agree with most of what you posted. The death rate still seems to be somewhere between .65 and .8 heavily concentrated among the olds. Isolate the vulnerable and let the rest of us start opening things up because we can't continue this until a vaccine is widely available (if a vaccine is ever widely available). Multiple countries are getting at least elementary school kids back to school which makes a whole lotta sense considering a total of 8 people under the age of 18 have died from this thing in the US.
    Anywhere from 25-30,000 less people are dying each week than average, in our country since the lock down. But if you die in a Hospital in New York, there's an overwhelming chance that the COD will be COV19.
    Again - more bullshit. On average about 50-55k people die in the US each week. So you think the death rate has fallen by 50-60% since March...lol? I realize why you think that as again you are relying on NCHS data which lags by as much as 8 weeks but your claim is false.

    Looking strictly at NYC from March 8th to April 11th there were approximately 11,900 deaths per week above average. Of those deaths above average only 85% of them were directly linked to Covid. Based upon that it's possible (likely?) that the covid deaths in NYC are actually being undercounted at least slightly.
    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    doogie said:

    HHusky said:

    We will hit 72,000 deaths by Wednesday. How many more weeks would you have had them forecasting 72,000 dead by August 4?

    Why lie? CDC says >38,000 as of today
    no they don't
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    They do, through 5/2, Table 1. Doesn’t mean it’s the correct number, which is the point.
    Those are the NCHS numbers which are based on death certificates (hence they lag by multiple weeks).

    Here are the CDC numbers
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

    TOTAL DEATHS
    67,456
    1,719 New Deaths*
    Now do how many are presumed covid deaths. In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19. The numbers are cooked, Birx even admitted it.

    So let's break down the fear here. Of all of the 70,000 deaths, 60% of them are in a hundred mile radius, 3,000 miles away from the West Coast. As for the rest of the country about half of the deaths originate in nursing homes. Antibody tests performed around the country and world, however flawed, have been pretty consistent that about 4% of the population has it or has had it. So considering that, we are looking at a death rate of .5% of those infected here in Merica.

    The virus is dangerous in the heavily populated areas around New York and to those over 80 elsewhere. To the rest of the country and age groups, it's the flu.

    The "experts" know that a vaccine isn't going to happen anytime soon and they know there are 10 times the people exposed than what has had a positive test. The "experts" have also said that the Swede Strategy was the way to go. But the unholy trinity of the Western shore continues to lie about using science as their guide to reopening, when it's clear it's about control and politics.
    - "In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19." This of course is completely false. In actuality there are fewer covid deaths reported in New York than what are considered deaths above normal for the last 5 years.

    As to the rest of your post I actually agree with most of what you posted. The death rate still seems to be somewhere between .65 and .8 heavily concentrated among the olds. Isolate the vulnerable and let the rest of us start opening things up because we can't continue this until a vaccine is widely available (if a vaccine is ever widely available). Multiple countries are getting at least elementary school kids back to school which makes a whole lotta sense considering a total of 8 people under the age of 18 have died from this thing in the US.
    Anywhere from 25-30,000 less people are dying each week than average, in our country since the lock down. But if you die in a Hospital in New York, there's an overwhelming chance that the COD will be COV19.
    Again - more bullshit. On average about 50-55k people die in the US each week. So you think the death rate has fallen by 50-60% since March...lol? I realize why you think that as again you are relying on NCHS data which lags by as much as 8 weeks but your claim is false.

    Looking strictly at NYC from March 8th to April 11th there were approximately 11,900 deaths per week above average. Of those deaths above average only 85% of them were directly linked to Covid. Based upon that it's possible (likely?) that the covid deaths in NYC are actually being undercounted at least slightly.

    It's been reported from doctors, hospital admins, funeral directors, Dr Birx, etc, etc. that New York deaths and deaths all over the country are being rubber stamped as covid without ever being tested. Hospitals are going broke and they get 4 times the Federal dollars for a covid death than not and the Government is encouraging it

    And I call bullshit on 12,000 more people than average died per week in New York that month. That would mean that 40% of Americans that died, did so in New York. By your numbers, not mine.

    Of course Cuomo just pulled out another 1400 nursing home deaths today out of nowhere. If you consider that fraud as evidence, as why it's under reported, I can't help you.


    And Man if we are looking for boogeymen. How can we not have Dibliasio and Cuomo at the head of the charts. The mayor on March 11 balked at closing down Broadway and said he fully intended on having the St Patricks parade. Cuomo on Feb 27th compared it to the flu and said it wasn't a threat via tweet.

    In early April when it became clear that the nursing homes in New York were being ravaged. They made no effort to move Seniors out of there. They just let them stew in the virus and infect anyone who dared walk into those petri dishes from hell. Why didn't they use the ship and other temporary facilities to get them out of the nursing homes, so that they could fumigated? Nope. He just would spend 2 hours every morning crying but Trump, Trump, Trump.

    Another major factor of infection and death was public transpo. Until this week, they were being "sanitized" every 3 days. And finally this week, they are sanitizing every day for 4 hours. Why did this not happen 6 weeks ago???? How many hundreds if not thousands of people died just because of that?

    The leadership of New York has not only failed their state but they have failed the whole country with their ineptness. They are up to their necks in blood.
    No they don’t. Do you get your news from bullshit Facebook memes? As part of the stimulus Medicare increased reimbursement for covid patients by 20% and agreed to cover uninsured patients. Do you really think that 20% is leading hospitals to commit widespread fraud?
    $39,000 if they die. $11,000 if they get on a vent and live. Pretty common knowledge by now.
    I LOVE that you’re making an unintentional case against the for profit medical system.
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    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    doogie said:

    HHusky said:

    We will hit 72,000 deaths by Wednesday. How many more weeks would you have had them forecasting 72,000 dead by August 4?

    Why lie? CDC says >38,000 as of today
    no they don't
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    They do, through 5/2, Table 1. Doesn’t mean it’s the correct number, which is the point.
    Those are the NCHS numbers which are based on death certificates (hence they lag by multiple weeks).

    Here are the CDC numbers
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

    TOTAL DEATHS
    67,456
    1,719 New Deaths*
    Now do how many are presumed covid deaths. In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19. The numbers are cooked, Birx even admitted it.

    So let's break down the fear here. Of all of the 70,000 deaths, 60% of them are in a hundred mile radius, 3,000 miles away from the West Coast. As for the rest of the country about half of the deaths originate in nursing homes. Antibody tests performed around the country and world, however flawed, have been pretty consistent that about 4% of the population has it or has had it. So considering that, we are looking at a death rate of .5% of those infected here in Merica.

    The virus is dangerous in the heavily populated areas around New York and to those over 80 elsewhere. To the rest of the country and age groups, it's the flu.

    The "experts" know that a vaccine isn't going to happen anytime soon and they know there are 10 times the people exposed than what has had a positive test. The "experts" have also said that the Swede Strategy was the way to go. But the unholy trinity of the Western shore continues to lie about using science as their guide to reopening, when it's clear it's about control and politics.
    - "In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19." This of course is completely false. In actuality there are fewer covid deaths reported in New York than what are considered deaths above normal for the last 5 years.

    As to the rest of your post I actually agree with most of what you posted. The death rate still seems to be somewhere between .65 and .8 heavily concentrated among the olds. Isolate the vulnerable and let the rest of us start opening things up because we can't continue this until a vaccine is widely available (if a vaccine is ever widely available). Multiple countries are getting at least elementary school kids back to school which makes a whole lotta sense considering a total of 8 people under the age of 18 have died from this thing in the US.
    Anywhere from 25-30,000 less people are dying each week than average, in our country since the lock down. But if you die in a Hospital in New York, there's an overwhelming chance that the COD will be COV19.
    Again - more bullshit. On average about 50-55k people die in the US each week. So you think the death rate has fallen by 50-60% since March...lol? I realize why you think that as again you are relying on NCHS data which lags by as much as 8 weeks but your claim is false.

    Looking strictly at NYC from March 8th to April 11th there were approximately 11,900 deaths per week above average. Of those deaths above average only 85% of them were directly linked to Covid. Based upon that it's possible (likely?) that the covid deaths in NYC are actually being undercounted at least slightly.
    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    doogie said:

    HHusky said:

    We will hit 72,000 deaths by Wednesday. How many more weeks would you have had them forecasting 72,000 dead by August 4?

    Why lie? CDC says >38,000 as of today
    no they don't
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    They do, through 5/2, Table 1. Doesn’t mean it’s the correct number, which is the point.
    Those are the NCHS numbers which are based on death certificates (hence they lag by multiple weeks).

    Here are the CDC numbers
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

    TOTAL DEATHS
    67,456
    1,719 New Deaths*
    Now do how many are presumed covid deaths. In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19. The numbers are cooked, Birx even admitted it.

    So let's break down the fear here. Of all of the 70,000 deaths, 60% of them are in a hundred mile radius, 3,000 miles away from the West Coast. As for the rest of the country about half of the deaths originate in nursing homes. Antibody tests performed around the country and world, however flawed, have been pretty consistent that about 4% of the population has it or has had it. So considering that, we are looking at a death rate of .5% of those infected here in Merica.

    The virus is dangerous in the heavily populated areas around New York and to those over 80 elsewhere. To the rest of the country and age groups, it's the flu.

    The "experts" know that a vaccine isn't going to happen anytime soon and they know there are 10 times the people exposed than what has had a positive test. The "experts" have also said that the Swede Strategy was the way to go. But the unholy trinity of the Western shore continues to lie about using science as their guide to reopening, when it's clear it's about control and politics.
    - "In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19." This of course is completely false. In actuality there are fewer covid deaths reported in New York than what are considered deaths above normal for the last 5 years.

    As to the rest of your post I actually agree with most of what you posted. The death rate still seems to be somewhere between .65 and .8 heavily concentrated among the olds. Isolate the vulnerable and let the rest of us start opening things up because we can't continue this until a vaccine is widely available (if a vaccine is ever widely available). Multiple countries are getting at least elementary school kids back to school which makes a whole lotta sense considering a total of 8 people under the age of 18 have died from this thing in the US.
    Anywhere from 25-30,000 less people are dying each week than average, in our country since the lock down. But if you die in a Hospital in New York, there's an overwhelming chance that the COD will be COV19.
    Again - more bullshit. On average about 50-55k people die in the US each week. So you think the death rate has fallen by 50-60% since March...lol? I realize why you think that as again you are relying on NCHS data which lags by as much as 8 weeks but your claim is false.

    Looking strictly at NYC from March 8th to April 11th there were approximately 11,900 deaths per week above average. Of those deaths above average only 85% of them were directly linked to Covid. Based upon that it's possible (likely?) that the covid deaths in NYC are actually being undercounted at least slightly.

    It's been reported from doctors, hospital admins, funeral directors, Dr Birx, etc, etc. that New York deaths and deaths all over the country are being rubber stamped as covid without ever being tested. Hospitals are going broke and they get 4 times the Federal dollars for a covid death than not and the Government is encouraging it

    And I call bullshit on 12,000 more people than average died per week in New York that month. That would mean that 40% of Americans that died, did so in New York. By your numbers, not mine.

    Of course Cuomo just pulled out another 1400 nursing home deaths today out of nowhere. If you consider that fraud as evidence, as why it's under reported, I can't help you.


    And Man if we are looking for boogeymen. How can we not have Dibliasio and Cuomo at the head of the charts. The mayor on March 11 balked at closing down Broadway and said he fully intended on having the St Patricks parade. Cuomo on Feb 27th compared it to the flu and said it wasn't a threat via tweet.

    In early April when it became clear that the nursing homes in New York were being ravaged. They made no effort to move Seniors out of there. They just let them stew in the virus and infect anyone who dared walk into those petri dishes from hell. Why didn't they use the ship and other temporary facilities to get them out of the nursing homes, so that they could fumigated? Nope. He just would spend 2 hours every morning crying but Trump, Trump, Trump.

    Another major factor of infection and death was public transpo. Until this week, they were being "sanitized" every 3 days. And finally this week, they are sanitizing every day for 4 hours. Why did this not happen 6 weeks ago???? How many hundreds if not thousands of people died just because of that?

    The leadership of New York has not only failed their state but they have failed the whole country with their ineptness. They are up to their necks in blood.
    No they don’t. Do you get your news from bullshit Facebook memes? As part of the stimulus Medicare increased reimbursement for covid patients by 20% and agreed to cover uninsured patients. Do you really think that 20% is leading hospitals to commit widespread fraud?
    $39,000 if they die. $11,000 if they get on a vent and live. Pretty common knowledge by now.
    I LOVE that you’re making an unintentional case against the for profit medical system.
    Actually I was wrong. It’s a little north of $40K if a patient gets the death sentence of being on a vent. And $13k for a diagnosis of C19.

    And your conflation is duly noted.
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    ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
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    salemcoog said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    doogie said:

    HHusky said:

    We will hit 72,000 deaths by Wednesday. How many more weeks would you have had them forecasting 72,000 dead by August 4?

    Why lie? CDC says >38,000 as of today
    no they don't
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    They do, through 5/2, Table 1. Doesn’t mean it’s the correct number, which is the point.
    Those are the NCHS numbers which are based on death certificates (hence they lag by multiple weeks).

    Here are the CDC numbers
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

    TOTAL DEATHS
    67,456
    1,719 New Deaths*
    Now do how many are presumed covid deaths. In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19. The numbers are cooked, Birx even admitted it.

    So let's break down the fear here. Of all of the 70,000 deaths, 60% of them are in a hundred mile radius, 3,000 miles away from the West Coast. As for the rest of the country about half of the deaths originate in nursing homes. Antibody tests performed around the country and world, however flawed, have been pretty consistent that about 4% of the population has it or has had it. So considering that, we are looking at a death rate of .5% of those infected here in Merica.

    The virus is dangerous in the heavily populated areas around New York and to those over 80 elsewhere. To the rest of the country and age groups, it's the flu.

    The "experts" know that a vaccine isn't going to happen anytime soon and they know there are 10 times the people exposed than what has had a positive test. The "experts" have also said that the Swede Strategy was the way to go. But the unholy trinity of the Western shore continues to lie about using science as their guide to reopening, when it's clear it's about control and politics.
    - "In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19." This of course is completely false. In actuality there are fewer covid deaths reported in New York than what are considered deaths above normal for the last 5 years.

    As to the rest of your post I actually agree with most of what you posted. The death rate still seems to be somewhere between .65 and .8 heavily concentrated among the olds. Isolate the vulnerable and let the rest of us start opening things up because we can't continue this until a vaccine is widely available (if a vaccine is ever widely available). Multiple countries are getting at least elementary school kids back to school which makes a whole lotta sense considering a total of 8 people under the age of 18 have died from this thing in the US.
    Anywhere from 25-30,000 less people are dying each week than average, in our country since the lock down. But if you die in a Hospital in New York, there's an overwhelming chance that the COD will be COV19.
    Again - more bullshit. On average about 50-55k people die in the US each week. So you think the death rate has fallen by 50-60% since March...lol? I realize why you think that as again you are relying on NCHS data which lags by as much as 8 weeks but your claim is false.

    Looking strictly at NYC from March 8th to April 11th there were approximately 11,900 deaths per week above average. Of those deaths above average only 85% of them were directly linked to Covid. Based upon that it's possible (likely?) that the covid deaths in NYC are actually being undercounted at least slightly.
    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    doogie said:

    HHusky said:

    We will hit 72,000 deaths by Wednesday. How many more weeks would you have had them forecasting 72,000 dead by August 4?

    Why lie? CDC says >38,000 as of today
    no they don't
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    They do, through 5/2, Table 1. Doesn’t mean it’s the correct number, which is the point.
    Those are the NCHS numbers which are based on death certificates (hence they lag by multiple weeks).

    Here are the CDC numbers
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

    TOTAL DEATHS
    67,456
    1,719 New Deaths*
    Now do how many are presumed covid deaths. In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19. The numbers are cooked, Birx even admitted it.

    So let's break down the fear here. Of all of the 70,000 deaths, 60% of them are in a hundred mile radius, 3,000 miles away from the West Coast. As for the rest of the country about half of the deaths originate in nursing homes. Antibody tests performed around the country and world, however flawed, have been pretty consistent that about 4% of the population has it or has had it. So considering that, we are looking at a death rate of .5% of those infected here in Merica.

    The virus is dangerous in the heavily populated areas around New York and to those over 80 elsewhere. To the rest of the country and age groups, it's the flu.

    The "experts" know that a vaccine isn't going to happen anytime soon and they know there are 10 times the people exposed than what has had a positive test. The "experts" have also said that the Swede Strategy was the way to go. But the unholy trinity of the Western shore continues to lie about using science as their guide to reopening, when it's clear it's about control and politics.
    - "In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19." This of course is completely false. In actuality there are fewer covid deaths reported in New York than what are considered deaths above normal for the last 5 years.

    As to the rest of your post I actually agree with most of what you posted. The death rate still seems to be somewhere between .65 and .8 heavily concentrated among the olds. Isolate the vulnerable and let the rest of us start opening things up because we can't continue this until a vaccine is widely available (if a vaccine is ever widely available). Multiple countries are getting at least elementary school kids back to school which makes a whole lotta sense considering a total of 8 people under the age of 18 have died from this thing in the US.
    Anywhere from 25-30,000 less people are dying each week than average, in our country since the lock down. But if you die in a Hospital in New York, there's an overwhelming chance that the COD will be COV19.
    Again - more bullshit. On average about 50-55k people die in the US each week. So you think the death rate has fallen by 50-60% since March...lol? I realize why you think that as again you are relying on NCHS data which lags by as much as 8 weeks but your claim is false.

    Looking strictly at NYC from March 8th to April 11th there were approximately 11,900 deaths per week above average. Of those deaths above average only 85% of them were directly linked to Covid. Based upon that it's possible (likely?) that the covid deaths in NYC are actually being undercounted at least slightly.

    It's been reported from doctors, hospital admins, funeral directors, Dr Birx, etc, etc. that New York deaths and deaths all over the country are being rubber stamped as covid without ever being tested. Hospitals are going broke and they get 4 times the Federal dollars for a covid death than not and the Government is encouraging it

    And I call bullshit on 12,000 more people than average died per week in New York that month. That would mean that 40% of Americans that died, did so in New York. By your numbers, not mine.

    Of course Cuomo just pulled out another 1400 nursing home deaths today out of nowhere. If you consider that fraud as evidence, as why it's under reported, I can't help you.


    And Man if we are looking for boogeymen. How can we not have Dibliasio and Cuomo at the head of the charts. The mayor on March 11 balked at closing down Broadway and said he fully intended on having the St Patricks parade. Cuomo on Feb 27th compared it to the flu and said it wasn't a threat via tweet.

    In early April when it became clear that the nursing homes in New York were being ravaged. They made no effort to move Seniors out of there. They just let them stew in the virus and infect anyone who dared walk into those petri dishes from hell. Why didn't they use the ship and other temporary facilities to get them out of the nursing homes, so that they could fumigated? Nope. He just would spend 2 hours every morning crying but Trump, Trump, Trump.

    Another major factor of infection and death was public transpo. Until this week, they were being "sanitized" every 3 days. And finally this week, they are sanitizing every day for 4 hours. Why did this not happen 6 weeks ago???? How many hundreds if not thousands of people died just because of that?

    The leadership of New York has not only failed their state but they have failed the whole country with their ineptness. They are up to their necks in blood.
    No they don’t. Do you get your news from bullshit Facebook memes? As part of the stimulus Medicare increased reimbursement for covid patients by 20% and agreed to cover uninsured patients. Do you really think that 20% is leading hospitals to commit widespread fraud?
    $39,000 if they die. $11,000 if they get on a vent and live. Pretty common knowledge by now.
    I LOVE that you’re making an unintentional case against the for profit medical system.
    Actually I was wrong. It’s a little north of $40K if a patient gets the death sentence of being on a vent. And $13k for a diagnosis of C19.

    And your conflation is duly noted.
    Hey what’s a little conflating between frens?
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    salemcoog said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    doogie said:

    HHusky said:

    We will hit 72,000 deaths by Wednesday. How many more weeks would you have had them forecasting 72,000 dead by August 4?

    Why lie? CDC says >38,000 as of today
    no they don't
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    They do, through 5/2, Table 1. Doesn’t mean it’s the correct number, which is the point.
    Those are the NCHS numbers which are based on death certificates (hence they lag by multiple weeks).

    Here are the CDC numbers
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

    TOTAL DEATHS
    67,456
    1,719 New Deaths*
    Now do how many are presumed covid deaths. In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19. The numbers are cooked, Birx even admitted it.

    So let's break down the fear here. Of all of the 70,000 deaths, 60% of them are in a hundred mile radius, 3,000 miles away from the West Coast. As for the rest of the country about half of the deaths originate in nursing homes. Antibody tests performed around the country and world, however flawed, have been pretty consistent that about 4% of the population has it or has had it. So considering that, we are looking at a death rate of .5% of those infected here in Merica.

    The virus is dangerous in the heavily populated areas around New York and to those over 80 elsewhere. To the rest of the country and age groups, it's the flu.

    The "experts" know that a vaccine isn't going to happen anytime soon and they know there are 10 times the people exposed than what has had a positive test. The "experts" have also said that the Swede Strategy was the way to go. But the unholy trinity of the Western shore continues to lie about using science as their guide to reopening, when it's clear it's about control and politics.
    - "In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19." This of course is completely false. In actuality there are fewer covid deaths reported in New York than what are considered deaths above normal for the last 5 years.

    As to the rest of your post I actually agree with most of what you posted. The death rate still seems to be somewhere between .65 and .8 heavily concentrated among the olds. Isolate the vulnerable and let the rest of us start opening things up because we can't continue this until a vaccine is widely available (if a vaccine is ever widely available). Multiple countries are getting at least elementary school kids back to school which makes a whole lotta sense considering a total of 8 people under the age of 18 have died from this thing in the US.
    Anywhere from 25-30,000 less people are dying each week than average, in our country since the lock down. But if you die in a Hospital in New York, there's an overwhelming chance that the COD will be COV19.
    Again - more bullshit. On average about 50-55k people die in the US each week. So you think the death rate has fallen by 50-60% since March...lol? I realize why you think that as again you are relying on NCHS data which lags by as much as 8 weeks but your claim is false.

    Looking strictly at NYC from March 8th to April 11th there were approximately 11,900 deaths per week above average. Of those deaths above average only 85% of them were directly linked to Covid. Based upon that it's possible (likely?) that the covid deaths in NYC are actually being undercounted at least slightly.
    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    doogie said:

    HHusky said:

    We will hit 72,000 deaths by Wednesday. How many more weeks would you have had them forecasting 72,000 dead by August 4?

    Why lie? CDC says >38,000 as of today
    no they don't
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    They do, through 5/2, Table 1. Doesn’t mean it’s the correct number, which is the point.
    Those are the NCHS numbers which are based on death certificates (hence they lag by multiple weeks).

    Here are the CDC numbers
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

    TOTAL DEATHS
    67,456
    1,719 New Deaths*
    Now do how many are presumed covid deaths. In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19. The numbers are cooked, Birx even admitted it.

    So let's break down the fear here. Of all of the 70,000 deaths, 60% of them are in a hundred mile radius, 3,000 miles away from the West Coast. As for the rest of the country about half of the deaths originate in nursing homes. Antibody tests performed around the country and world, however flawed, have been pretty consistent that about 4% of the population has it or has had it. So considering that, we are looking at a death rate of .5% of those infected here in Merica.

    The virus is dangerous in the heavily populated areas around New York and to those over 80 elsewhere. To the rest of the country and age groups, it's the flu.

    The "experts" know that a vaccine isn't going to happen anytime soon and they know there are 10 times the people exposed than what has had a positive test. The "experts" have also said that the Swede Strategy was the way to go. But the unholy trinity of the Western shore continues to lie about using science as their guide to reopening, when it's clear it's about control and politics.
    - "In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19." This of course is completely false. In actuality there are fewer covid deaths reported in New York than what are considered deaths above normal for the last 5 years.

    As to the rest of your post I actually agree with most of what you posted. The death rate still seems to be somewhere between .65 and .8 heavily concentrated among the olds. Isolate the vulnerable and let the rest of us start opening things up because we can't continue this until a vaccine is widely available (if a vaccine is ever widely available). Multiple countries are getting at least elementary school kids back to school which makes a whole lotta sense considering a total of 8 people under the age of 18 have died from this thing in the US.
    Anywhere from 25-30,000 less people are dying each week than average, in our country since the lock down. But if you die in a Hospital in New York, there's an overwhelming chance that the COD will be COV19.
    Again - more bullshit. On average about 50-55k people die in the US each week. So you think the death rate has fallen by 50-60% since March...lol? I realize why you think that as again you are relying on NCHS data which lags by as much as 8 weeks but your claim is false.

    Looking strictly at NYC from March 8th to April 11th there were approximately 11,900 deaths per week above average. Of those deaths above average only 85% of them were directly linked to Covid. Based upon that it's possible (likely?) that the covid deaths in NYC are actually being undercounted at least slightly.

    It's been reported from doctors, hospital admins, funeral directors, Dr Birx, etc, etc. that New York deaths and deaths all over the country are being rubber stamped as covid without ever being tested. Hospitals are going broke and they get 4 times the Federal dollars for a covid death than not and the Government is encouraging it

    And I call bullshit on 12,000 more people than average died per week in New York that month. That would mean that 40% of Americans that died, did so in New York. By your numbers, not mine.

    Of course Cuomo just pulled out another 1400 nursing home deaths today out of nowhere. If you consider that fraud as evidence, as why it's under reported, I can't help you.


    And Man if we are looking for boogeymen. How can we not have Dibliasio and Cuomo at the head of the charts. The mayor on March 11 balked at closing down Broadway and said he fully intended on having the St Patricks parade. Cuomo on Feb 27th compared it to the flu and said it wasn't a threat via tweet.

    In early April when it became clear that the nursing homes in New York were being ravaged. They made no effort to move Seniors out of there. They just let them stew in the virus and infect anyone who dared walk into those petri dishes from hell. Why didn't they use the ship and other temporary facilities to get them out of the nursing homes, so that they could fumigated? Nope. He just would spend 2 hours every morning crying but Trump, Trump, Trump.

    Another major factor of infection and death was public transpo. Until this week, they were being "sanitized" every 3 days. And finally this week, they are sanitizing every day for 4 hours. Why did this not happen 6 weeks ago???? How many hundreds if not thousands of people died just because of that?

    The leadership of New York has not only failed their state but they have failed the whole country with their ineptness. They are up to their necks in blood.
    No they don’t. Do you get your news from bullshit Facebook memes? As part of the stimulus Medicare increased reimbursement for covid patients by 20% and agreed to cover uninsured patients. Do you really think that 20% is leading hospitals to commit widespread fraud?
    $39,000 if they die. $11,000 if they get on a vent and live. Pretty common knowledge by now.
    I LOVE that you’re making an unintentional case against the for profit medical system.
    Actually I was wrong. It’s a little north of $40K if a patient gets the death sentence of being on a vent. And $13k for a diagnosis of C19.

    And your conflation is duly noted.
    Hey what’s a little conflating between frens?
    In this economy it becomes difficult at times. But some times ya just gotta reach for the stars.
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    GDSGDS Member Posts: 1,470
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    salemcoog said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    doogie said:

    HHusky said:

    We will hit 72,000 deaths by Wednesday. How many more weeks would you have had them forecasting 72,000 dead by August 4?

    Why lie? CDC says >38,000 as of today
    no they don't
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    They do, through 5/2, Table 1. Doesn’t mean it’s the correct number, which is the point.
    Those are the NCHS numbers which are based on death certificates (hence they lag by multiple weeks).

    Here are the CDC numbers
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

    TOTAL DEATHS
    67,456
    1,719 New Deaths*
    Now do how many are presumed covid deaths. In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19. The numbers are cooked, Birx even admitted it.

    So let's break down the fear here. Of all of the 70,000 deaths, 60% of them are in a hundred mile radius, 3,000 miles away from the West Coast. As for the rest of the country about half of the deaths originate in nursing homes. Antibody tests performed around the country and world, however flawed, have been pretty consistent that about 4% of the population has it or has had it. So considering that, we are looking at a death rate of .5% of those infected here in Merica.

    The virus is dangerous in the heavily populated areas around New York and to those over 80 elsewhere. To the rest of the country and age groups, it's the flu.

    The "experts" know that a vaccine isn't going to happen anytime soon and they know there are 10 times the people exposed than what has had a positive test. The "experts" have also said that the Swede Strategy was the way to go. But the unholy trinity of the Western shore continues to lie about using science as their guide to reopening, when it's clear it's about control and politics.
    - "In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19." This of course is completely false. In actuality there are fewer covid deaths reported in New York than what are considered deaths above normal for the last 5 years.

    As to the rest of your post I actually agree with most of what you posted. The death rate still seems to be somewhere between .65 and .8 heavily concentrated among the olds. Isolate the vulnerable and let the rest of us start opening things up because we can't continue this until a vaccine is widely available (if a vaccine is ever widely available). Multiple countries are getting at least elementary school kids back to school which makes a whole lotta sense considering a total of 8 people under the age of 18 have died from this thing in the US.
    Anywhere from 25-30,000 less people are dying each week than average, in our country since the lock down. But if you die in a Hospital in New York, there's an overwhelming chance that the COD will be COV19.
    Again - more bullshit. On average about 50-55k people die in the US each week. So you think the death rate has fallen by 50-60% since March...lol? I realize why you think that as again you are relying on NCHS data which lags by as much as 8 weeks but your claim is false.

    Looking strictly at NYC from March 8th to April 11th there were approximately 11,900 deaths per week above average. Of those deaths above average only 85% of them were directly linked to Covid. Based upon that it's possible (likely?) that the covid deaths in NYC are actually being undercounted at least slightly.
    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    salemcoog said:

    GDS said:

    GDS said:

    doogie said:

    HHusky said:

    We will hit 72,000 deaths by Wednesday. How many more weeks would you have had them forecasting 72,000 dead by August 4?

    Why lie? CDC says >38,000 as of today
    no they don't
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

    They do, through 5/2, Table 1. Doesn’t mean it’s the correct number, which is the point.
    Those are the NCHS numbers which are based on death certificates (hence they lag by multiple weeks).

    Here are the CDC numbers
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

    TOTAL DEATHS
    67,456
    1,719 New Deaths*
    Now do how many are presumed covid deaths. In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19. The numbers are cooked, Birx even admitted it.

    So let's break down the fear here. Of all of the 70,000 deaths, 60% of them are in a hundred mile radius, 3,000 miles away from the West Coast. As for the rest of the country about half of the deaths originate in nursing homes. Antibody tests performed around the country and world, however flawed, have been pretty consistent that about 4% of the population has it or has had it. So considering that, we are looking at a death rate of .5% of those infected here in Merica.

    The virus is dangerous in the heavily populated areas around New York and to those over 80 elsewhere. To the rest of the country and age groups, it's the flu.

    The "experts" know that a vaccine isn't going to happen anytime soon and they know there are 10 times the people exposed than what has had a positive test. The "experts" have also said that the Swede Strategy was the way to go. But the unholy trinity of the Western shore continues to lie about using science as their guide to reopening, when it's clear it's about control and politics.
    - "In New York, almost every death is classified covid 19." This of course is completely false. In actuality there are fewer covid deaths reported in New York than what are considered deaths above normal for the last 5 years.

    As to the rest of your post I actually agree with most of what you posted. The death rate still seems to be somewhere between .65 and .8 heavily concentrated among the olds. Isolate the vulnerable and let the rest of us start opening things up because we can't continue this until a vaccine is widely available (if a vaccine is ever widely available). Multiple countries are getting at least elementary school kids back to school which makes a whole lotta sense considering a total of 8 people under the age of 18 have died from this thing in the US.
    Anywhere from 25-30,000 less people are dying each week than average, in our country since the lock down. But if you die in a Hospital in New York, there's an overwhelming chance that the COD will be COV19.
    Again - more bullshit. On average about 50-55k people die in the US each week. So you think the death rate has fallen by 50-60% since March...lol? I realize why you think that as again you are relying on NCHS data which lags by as much as 8 weeks but your claim is false.

    Looking strictly at NYC from March 8th to April 11th there were approximately 11,900 deaths per week above average. Of those deaths above average only 85% of them were directly linked to Covid. Based upon that it's possible (likely?) that the covid deaths in NYC are actually being undercounted at least slightly.

    It's been reported from doctors, hospital admins, funeral directors, Dr Birx, etc, etc. that New York deaths and deaths all over the country are being rubber stamped as covid without ever being tested. Hospitals are going broke and they get 4 times the Federal dollars for a covid death than not and the Government is encouraging it

    And I call bullshit on 12,000 more people than average died per week in New York that month. That would mean that 40% of Americans that died, did so in New York. By your numbers, not mine.

    Of course Cuomo just pulled out another 1400 nursing home deaths today out of nowhere. If you consider that fraud as evidence, as why it's under reported, I can't help you.


    And Man if we are looking for boogeymen. How can we not have Dibliasio and Cuomo at the head of the charts. The mayor on March 11 balked at closing down Broadway and said he fully intended on having the St Patricks parade. Cuomo on Feb 27th compared it to the flu and said it wasn't a threat via tweet.

    In early April when it became clear that the nursing homes in New York were being ravaged. They made no effort to move Seniors out of there. They just let them stew in the virus and infect anyone who dared walk into those petri dishes from hell. Why didn't they use the ship and other temporary facilities to get them out of the nursing homes, so that they could fumigated? Nope. He just would spend 2 hours every morning crying but Trump, Trump, Trump.

    Another major factor of infection and death was public transpo. Until this week, they were being "sanitized" every 3 days. And finally this week, they are sanitizing every day for 4 hours. Why did this not happen 6 weeks ago???? How many hundreds if not thousands of people died just because of that?

    The leadership of New York has not only failed their state but they have failed the whole country with their ineptness. They are up to their necks in blood.
    No they don’t. Do you get your news from bullshit Facebook memes? As part of the stimulus Medicare increased reimbursement for covid patients by 20% and agreed to cover uninsured patients. Do you really think that 20% is leading hospitals to commit widespread fraud?
    $39,000 if they die. $11,000 if they get on a vent and live. Pretty common knowledge by now.
    I LOVE that you’re making an unintentional case against the for profit medical system.
    Actually I was wrong. It’s a little north of $40K if a patient gets the death sentence of being on a vent. And $13k for a diagnosis of C19.

    And your conflation is duly noted.
    Hospitals received reimbursements of about 13k for admitting and caring for a patient with a respiratory infection and 40k for a severe infection which required the use of a ventilator...before covid....

    An analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation looked at average Medicare payments for hospital admissions for the existing diagnosis-related groups and noted that the “average Medicare payment for respiratory infections and inflammations with major comorbidities or complications in 2017 … was $13,297. For more severe hospitalizations, we use the average Medicare payment for a respiratory system diagnosis with ventilator support for greater than 96 hours, which was $40,218.”
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    doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
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    For my Mom, insurance(s) covered about $1.2 Million over the past 3 years or so
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